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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2964	Posted - 2014.12.01 00:31:00 - [1] - Quote All shields need are better inherent regen on the shield tanking suits (i.e. lower delays and higher recharge rates) Minmitar suits should have lowest delays, but not as high shield HP or recharge rate as Caldari. However, all min/cal suits (except for scouts) need better shield regen stats inherently. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2964	Posted - 2014.12.01 00:32:00 - [2] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: That's because stacking shields can give you similar eHP to someone that stacks armor, with a lot more speed. Strafe speed is relatively unaffected by armor plates, unless they are brick tanked, and especially not if they are using ferroscales. Shield suits get kin cats and profile dampeners in the off tank, while armor tankers get damage mods and precision enhancers. Shield vehicles are generally better than armor, simply because of the AV weapons currently available to people in the game, as well as maneuverability of the vehicles themselves. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2964	Posted - 2014.12.01 00:35:00 - [3] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: All shields need are better inherent regen on the shield tanking suits (i.e. lower delays and higher recharge rates) Minmitar suits should have lowest delays, but not as high shield HP or recharge rate as Caldari. However, all min/cal suits (except for scouts) need better shield regen stats inherently. My min assaults regen is a bit disappointing unless I put on regulators. Armor reps through damage, and HP tanking is more effective because of that. If Shields repped through damage, they would be OP, but since armor does, it's the best imo. But I shield tank everything, so what am I saying. Exactly. People often forget that armor regen, especially on Gallente suits, is crazy good in combat. In the time it takes a scout to decloak, an 800 HP gal assault with full strafe speed and triple damage mods can recover 80+ armor with ease, even while being hit. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2964	Posted - 2014.12.01 00:45:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Ace Boone wrote: That's because stacking shields can give you similar eHP to someone that stacks armor, with a lot more speed. Strafe speed is relatively unaffected by armor plates, unless they are brick tanked, and especially not if they are using ferroscales. Shield suits get kin cats and profile dampeners in the off tank, while armor tankers get damage mods and precision enhancers. Shield vehicles are generally better than armor, simply because of the AV weapons currently available to people in the game, as well as maneuverability of the vehicles themselves. I do also want to point out the utility modules that as an armour tanker I value most the Hack Module and Kin Cats.......are all lows. Would sacrifice damage modules to lows (where they should be) for those utilities. Kincats should stay as lows. Myofibs should give a slight speed bonus and hack mods should be moved to highs. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2965	Posted - 2014.12.01 00:50:00 - [5] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Can't really take you seriously when you just called the Scr the most OP rifle in the game while the Cr remains king. I think we can all agree that the BrAR is far stronger than either of those weapons. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2969	Posted - 2014.12.01 01:09:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Ace Boone wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: All shields need are better inherent regen on the shield tanking suits (i.e. lower delays and higher recharge rates) Minmitar suits should have lowest delays, but not as high shield HP or recharge rate as Caldari. However, all min/cal suits (except for scouts) need better shield regen stats inherently. My min assaults regen is a bit disappointing unless I put on regulators. Armor reps through damage, and HP tanking is more effective because of that. If Shields repped through damage, they would be OP, but since armor does, it's the best imo. But I shield tank everything, so what am I saying. Exactly. People often forget that armor regen, especially on Gallente suits, is crazy good in combat. In the time it takes a scout to decloak, an 800 HP gal assault with full strafe speed and triple damage mods can recover 80+ armor with ease, even while being hit. 80 armor is about 2.5 bullets from most weapons on the battlefield. I also don't see how we regenerate 80 armor in the time it takes a scout to decloak. Getting 30hp/s is the absolute max you will see on a Gallente Assault, and that will usually limit you to 500-600 armor HP with speed penalties. 20hp/s and about 520 armor HP and 8m/s is what I usually run on my Gal Assaults. I can build a Cal Assault with 50hp/s, 600 shields, 8m/s sprint and 1-2 second delays. The only advantage my Gal Assault gets over the Cal Assault are the two damage mods. When it comes to pure tank, the Cal Assault is superior in most ways. Considering it takes 1 second for a scout to decloak and fire his gun... Its 4 seconds from the beginning of the decloak. A well fit Gal Assault will have 800 total HP, and ~23 reps per second (2 complex reppers) "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2969	Posted - 2014.12.01 01:23:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/136/3719 - The Cal Assault http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/136/5912 - My standard issue general purpose Gal Assault The cal assault has ok shield regen. Try making a good min assault shield regen fit, compared to a gal assault. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2969	Posted - 2014.12.01 02:18:00 - [8] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Min Assault can cap out at 1014.3 EHP...not half bad and has significantly better regen and movement speed. Caps out at much higher, but its pretty much a shitfit past around 900 HP. ADVANCE NOTE. All suits were fitted with a Proto CR and Proto Flaylock to boot. Gotta be combat effective when designing a suit. Moving on. Max HP I could get while maintaining some level of intelligence was 1021.4 HP. 4x Shields, 2x Ferro, 1x React, 1x Rep. Dual Tanking sin right here. 14hp/s is not enough for its armor pool, and it has 6/10 second depleted/delay with base regen. Shitfit, I could take it down with a decent fit assault, shield or armor. Abuse some cover and watch his buffer go to bits, as he has no decent regen to back it up. Yes, it may have better speed, but dear god is its regen horrific. Hell, I can easily run 1000+ HP on an Amarr assault and still run 20+ hp/s armor rep. Best Armor fit for a Min Assault (IMO) caps out at around 907 HP. It runs 2x ADV Shields, 2x Damage Mods, 2x Complex Plates, 2x Repair. It has 535 armor with 21 hp/s rep, with a decent shield buffer. Still sprints at around 7m/s. I love this suit for CQC maps, the constant regen really helps. Best Shield Fit for a Min Assault (IMO) Caps out at around 702 HP. It runs 3x shields, 1x Energizer, 3x Regulators, 1x Kincat. Thing has 1.92/3.13 for its delay/deplete, along with 43 hp/s regen. Speed helps a lot. My personal Min Assault runs a Hybrid tank, and is the best way to run it IMO. It runs 3x Shields, 1x Recharger, 1x Energizer, 1x Repair, 1x Ferroscale, 1x Kincat. Runs at 800 HP, with decent shield and armor regen, while maintaining it's high speed. An excellent skirmishing fit. As much as I love you, Kaisar, your fits sicken me. Min assault-4 complex shields, 2 complex damps, and either a rep per + kin cat, or 2 kin cats. Boundless CR and Six Kin SMG with a flux grenade for pesky cal scounts. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2969	Posted - 2014.12.01 02:32:00 - [9] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Not everyone lags as hard as you do Gav 1v1 me bruh!!!!!11!!!!one!!! LOL "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2969	Posted - 2014.12.01 02:36:00 - [10] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: question....can you fit dual dmg mods on a maddy? No not even with a Complex CPU Extender and a Basic Turret. Unless you want to sacrifice your entire armour tank capacity. @ Ghost- Do it your heathen dog! I'd love to argue shield vs Armour, Amarr vs Minmatar semantics...but prepare for me to giggle every time I talk about crusading for stuff, God, and slavery. IRL I sometimes cannot take it all seriously. Who else should we invite to the Armor vs Shield Dream Team? >Cat Merc >Ghost Kaisar >True Adamance We have 3 slots open people. Jump on it. ME "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2969	Posted - 2014.12.01 02:38:00 - [11] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Not everyone lags as hard as you do Gav 1v1 me bruh!!!!!11!!!!one!!! LOL BRB Grabbing my Intervention This time you can't blame it on lag "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2970	Posted - 2014.12.01 02:39:00 - [12] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: question....can you fit dual dmg mods on a maddy? No not even with a Complex CPU Extender and a Basic Turret. Unless you want to sacrifice your entire armour tank capacity. @ Ghost- Do it your heathen dog! I'd love to argue shield vs Armour, Amarr vs Minmatar semantics...but prepare for me to giggle every time I talk about crusading for stuff, God, and slavery. IRL I sometimes cannot take it all seriously. Who else should we invite to the Armor vs Shield Dream Team? >Cat Merc >Ghost Kaisar >True Adamance We have 3 slots open people. Jump on it. I would say me, but I dont quite know the TZ thats on. And, I may be on and off randomly. I haz life. I'll just make a custom chat group and invite you all with mails. Hop on together whenever we notice that a few of us are on. Tommorrow Ill be on. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2970	Posted - 2014.12.01 02:45:00 - [13] - Quote PSA: shorten quotes to the bare minimum. Its painful to read. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2970	Posted - 2014.12.01 03:06:00 - [14] - Quote I think that if shield suits got a bit more inherent regen, all these complaints would dissolve, and would reach true balance. Scouts, Im excluding you from the above statement. New theoretical values: Assaults: M: 3/4 delays, 30 recharge rate C: 5/6 delays, 35 recharge rate Commandos: M: 6/8 delays, 25 recharge rate C: 7/9 delays, 30 recharge rate Sentinels: Minmitar and Cladari both get the shield delays of the current Caldari sentinel "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2970	Posted - 2014.12.01 03:15:00 - [15] - Quote Ydubbs81 wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Of course, you are right in that solo armor suits vs solo shield suits lose because of the lack of regen. solo armor suits vs solo shield suits will win....shield regen can't help you in an engagement unless there is a lot of cover. In open space and equal skill..the armor suit has the advantage. Armor also doesn't have to stop regaining HP for 10 seconds because someone farted in their general direction. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2970	Posted - 2014.12.01 03:32:00 - [16] - Quote Ydubbs81 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I think that if shield suits got a bit more inherent regen, all these complaints would dissolve, and would reach true balance. Scouts, Im excluding you from the above statement. New theoretical values: Assaults: M: 3/4 delays, 30 recharge rate C: 5/6 delays, 35 recharge rate Commandos: M: 6/8 delays, 25 recharge rate C: 7/9 delays, 30 recharge rate Sentinels: Minmitar and Cladari both get the shield delays of the current Caldari sentinel. Logi's: I have no idea what the current stats are, and thus no reference for balance. If you have time to regen, 30 - 50 is definitely adequate. In order to truly make place them on the same page, you would have to give some of the advantages that armor has to shields. Give logis the ability to rep shields through a fight like they can with armor. Or, a nanohive that allows shields to recharge through damage like armor has. Or, keep the shield depleted delay but remove the regular shield recovery delay like armor has. Buff shield extender hp. Implement a shield mod that gives hp bonus and shield recharge bonus. Place damage mods on low slots, etc I know some of these suggestions may sound extra but it's the point that I'm making that's more important. I like the idea of rep tools setting shield delay to 0, and giving a static multiplier to recharge rates, as well as repairing armor. I think my values and the above change would really balance shields and armor. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.