DUST Search - How long will dust continue to get new players? A few months maybe?

CommanderBolt wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

jane stalin wrote:

I hope I am wrong but my feeling is that technology goes out of fashion very quickly,
People will want to play their PS4s and Xbox ones in 2015

Believe it or not... There are giant markets outside of the westernized world Shocked

These markets tax goods that are not directly made in their country. Like Brazil, where a PS4 costs around 1,800 dollars US. And a PS3 costs 300ish.

These countries like Brazil, India etc accept technology at a different rate. The PS3 has still years and years of life in the marketplace... The Game library, Streaming potential with Netflix in HD with Optical audio, A blue ray player and a fast one. The PS3 is just entering product cycles in these markets and will be around for years in them. The bang for buck is just to hard to ignore.

The Next generation of games for the new consoles haven't offered the average consumer that "WOW" moment where they truly feel that it is "Next Gen".. Until those game products start cycling into the western markets in 2016.. There will be very minimal incentive to buy a next gen console other then those with expendable income sitting around or following a group of friends over.

I always hear people talking about "Next gen" and all of that crap.

Still to this day I feel Crysis 1 was a bigger step forwards than most other games since and that game is old now. That being said the FOX engine being used for the new Silent Hill does look ground breaking visually.

Visuals aside however, gameplay seems to be taking a backseat and in some regards is regressing in this modern era of instant gratification nonsense.

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jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.11.30 03:57:00 - [1] - Quote I hope I am wrong but my feeling is that technology goes out of fashion very quickly, People will want to play their PS4s and Xbox ones in 2015
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 535	Posted - 2014.11.30 04:00:00 - [2] - Quote AKA - StarVenger
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 1093	Posted - 2014.11.30 04:24:00 - [3] - Quote So long as people have PS3s and an internet connection, there will be folks heading into the free to play section. However, creating new characters is not the problem this game has, it's maintaining them. CCP could advertise the game so well that 500 people made new toons every day for the next 5 yearss regardless of PS4 prevalence, but it means jack all if none of them stay longer than a week. O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 852	Posted - 2014.11.30 04:25:00 - [4] - Quote The PS2 survived for 13 years and the PS3 is reaching upon its decade from release. This system has long ways to go before its fall, and DUST will continue till the severs shut down(CCP couldn't kill it at fanfest). There is still a steady stream of new players, I see them all the time in my local, but wether they stay after a day is a different story. We need to fix NPE! No one does it better than PIE Lasers4life "Gravity released me. Don't ever hold me down."
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.11.30 05:23:00 - [5] - Quote I cannot see why new players would stay, I am amazed I did not give up after a proto stomp or after realizing the people that make the gear in the playstation store do not actually play the game and make crappy gear It was pure luck I played around with dropships and actually fluked putting a drop uplink on a tall building I was to scared to land it. It was pure luck I saw the good side it is hidden from new players, they will go and play something that looks and sounds better.
Immortal John Ripper 26032	Posted - 2014.11.30 05:27:00 - [6] - Quote 8 months 14 days 16 hours 32 minutes 12 seconds.] Then it is all downhill after that. Everything CCP does is right. They are the greatest company in the world. CCP cares about the playerbase.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17883	Posted - 2014.11.30 05:27:00 - [7] - Quote There are thousands of players still logging onto final fantasy 11 on the ps2 to warrant continue further development with those people in mind when they're designing new content. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
General John Ripper 26053	Posted - 2014.11.30 05:27:00 - [8] - Quote 8 months 14 days 16 hours 32 minutes 12 seconds.] Then it is all downhill after that. Everything CCP does is right. They are the greatest company in the world. CCP cares about the playerbase.
V1RONXSS X-SENSE Security 19	Posted - 2014.11.30 11:13:00 - [9] - Quote Past days i have a feeling there less and less ppl play it, at least EU servers. Pub matches about 10 min of waiting (evening at weekends). But if u look at progression - proto bpo's prefited, increased sp pool, just wonder how long till the... The "Chiki Briki v Damki" Starter Pack.
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 58	Posted - 2014.11.30 11:40:00 - [10] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: 8 months 14 days 16 hours 32 minutes 12 seconds.] Then it is all downhill after that. You're right they will demo DUST on the PS4 with morpheus teasers, and tell the "PC master" race SOON. CCP needs to follow the money, and the money is moving to the PS4.

CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2602	Posted - 2014.11.30 14:05:00 - [11] - Quote Yea seriously this game gets hundreds (at least) of new players to try it every day. However because the new player experience is so poor, is lacking severely in proper tutorials and stable game modes for the noobs that most of them stop playing :( "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2809	Posted - 2014.11.30 14:39:00 - [12] - Quote It has nothing to do with the technology. The PS2 lasted so very long despite it's predecessor being out for a while; hell, Sony was stealing the market from themselves when the PS3 was launched. With The Great Recession and people still not fully recovered, it will be probably longer until people transition to PS4. The fact that DUST is on the PS3 instead of the PS4 does not really hurt it all that much. What DOES hurt is that DUST 514 is not a good game. It is an okay game, mediocre really. Sure, you can have some fun with it shooting people but if you are looking for an experience that is "shooting people" there are other games out there that will give a better experience for "shooting people." DUST does offer something different than other games on consoles in regards to the building your characters and fits to do what you want but that takes a fair amount of time and investment in the game to be able to do that. All a new player knows is that they get on the game, use their starter fits, and immediately see that they are unable to kill people at the ranges that they are dying at or "I got the drop on that guy, shot him point blank, and he just turned and killed me!" because they have 1/3 the HP of a veteran in Prototype gear. "Big deal; I can start a new account and kill people with Militia gear!" And I am sure you also know that the STD tag doesn't mean Sexually Transmuted Diseases, that you cannot kill a Sentinel in close range, and know where to put your points to be most effective in the shortest amount of time. New players don't have that. Think back to where you started playing. Was it beta, to where everyone was fairly close in SP? Did you have a friend that taught you how to play and gave you the tools to learn to play? I know I started about three weeks after the final SP reset so there was only advanced level gear (jeez, the first person to Prototype suit posted on the forums and they had NOTHING else), I had played EVE so I knew how to fit a suit, and I was playing with family so I had a reason to slog through it. I barely keep playing with the incredible lag, subpar visuals, boring audio, and limited game play and I am a bitter vet. If I didn't have the knowledge I had when I started playing and/or I started playing when Prototype gear was ubiquitous, I likely would not have continued playing this game. I can say, completely honestly, that this game is something I enjoy but it is a mediocre game overall. I cannot see many fresh newbies coming to join and stay in this game as it is currently. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2514	Posted - 2014.11.30 16:14:00 - [13] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I hope I am wrong but my feeling is that technology goes out of fashion very quickly, People will want to play their PS4s and Xbox ones in 2015 Believe it or not... There are giant markets outside of the westernized world These markets tax goods that are not directly made in their country. Like Brazil, where a PS4 costs around 1,800 dollars US. And a PS3 costs 300ish. These countries like Brazil, India etc accept technology at a different rate. The PS3 has still years and years of life in the marketplace... The Game library, Streaming potential with Netflix in HD with Optical audio, A blue ray player and a fast one. The PS3 is just entering product cycles in these markets and will be around for years in them. The bang for buck is just to hard to ignore. The Next generation of games for the new consoles haven't offered the average consumer that "WOW" moment where they truly feel that it is "Next Gen".. Until those game products start cycling into the western markets in 2016.. There will be very minimal incentive to buy a next gen console other then those with expendable income sitting around or following a group of friends over.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2605	Posted - 2014.11.30 16:42:00 - [14] - Quote Bethhy wrote: jane stalin wrote: I hope I am wrong but my feeling is that technology goes out of fashion very quickly, People will want to play their PS4s and Xbox ones in 2015 Believe it or not... There are giant markets outside of the westernized world These markets tax goods that are not directly made in their country. Like Brazil, where a PS4 costs around 1,800 dollars US. And a PS3 costs 300ish. These countries like Brazil, India etc accept technology at a different rate. The PS3 has still years and years of life in the marketplace... The Game library, Streaming potential with Netflix in HD with Optical audio, A blue ray player and a fast one. The PS3 is just entering product cycles in these markets and will be around for years in them. The bang for buck is just to hard to ignore. The Next generation of games for the new consoles haven't offered the average consumer that "WOW" moment where they truly feel that it is "Next Gen".. Until those game products start cycling into the western markets in 2016.. There will be very minimal incentive to buy a next gen console other then those with expendable income sitting around or following a group of friends over. I always hear people talking about "Next gen" and all of that crap. Still to this day I feel Crysis 1 was a bigger step forwards than most other games since and that game is old now. That being said the FOX engine being used for the new Silent Hill does look ground breaking visually. Visuals aside however, gameplay seems to be taking a backseat and in some regards is regressing in this modern era of instant gratification nonsense. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
cronopio feju corporacion alfa 34	Posted - 2014.12.02 01:28:00 - [15] - Quote Bethhy wrote: jane stalin wrote: I hope I am wrong but my feeling is that technology goes out of fashion very quickly, People will want to play their PS4s and Xbox ones in 2015 Believe it or not... There are giant markets outside of the westernized world These markets tax goods that are not directly made in their country. Like Brazil, where a PS4 costs around 1,800 dollars US. And a PS3 costs 300ish. These countries like Brazil, India etc accept technology at a different rate. The PS3 has still years and years of life in the marketplace... The Game library, Streaming potential with Netflix in HD with Optical audio, A blue ray player and a fast one. The PS3 is just entering product cycles in these markets and will be around for years in them. The bang for buck is just to hard to ignore. The Next generation of games for the new consoles haven't offered the average consumer that "WOW" moment where they truly feel that it is "Next Gen".. Until those game products start cycling into the western markets in 2016.. There will be very minimal incentive to buy a next gen console other then those with expendable income sitting around or following a group of friends over. No habr+í jugadore nuevos en Am+¬rica del Norte o en Europa, -+pero que tal en latidudes m+ís sure+¦as? cada d+¡a hay m+ís novatos latinos, con menos recursos probando lo qu dice: "gratis" Si el primer botón que usas en una partida no es "flecha arriba" lo estás haciendo mal... -TheAmazing FlyingPig
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1379	Posted - 2014.12.02 01:43:00 - [16] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Bethhy wrote: jane stalin wrote: I hope I am wrong but my feeling is that technology goes out of fashion very quickly, People will want to play their PS4s and Xbox ones in 2015 Believe it or not... There are giant markets outside of the westernized world These markets tax goods that are not directly made in their country. Like Brazil, where a PS4 costs around 1,800 dollars US. And a PS3 costs 300ish. These countries like Brazil, India etc accept technology at a different rate. The PS3 has still years and years of life in the marketplace... The Game library, Streaming potential with Netflix in HD with Optical audio, A blue ray player and a fast one. The PS3 is just entering product cycles in these markets and will be around for years in them. The bang for buck is just to hard to ignore. The Next generation of games for the new consoles haven't offered the average consumer that "WOW" moment where they truly feel that it is "Next Gen".. Until those game products start cycling into the western markets in 2016.. There will be very minimal incentive to buy a next gen console other then those with expendable income sitting around or following a group of friends over. I always hear people talking about "Next gen" and all of that crap. Still to this day I feel Crysis 1 was a bigger step forwards than most other games since and that game is old now. That being said the FOX engine being used for the new Silent Hill does look ground breaking visually. Visuals aside however, gameplay seems to be taking a backseat and in some regards is regressing in this modern era of instant gratification nonsense. yea some of the new PS4 games have you mash a single button and you watch your character own the whole screen and kill like 30 guys in 5 seconds.. then you goto the next wave and mash the button again until they're all dead. there is no challenge it's just stare at the visuals your expected to enjoy that in between having your ego padded because you owned everything with ease. they are targeting a child audience around the age of 7 and 8 now. it's not even the baby boomer generation/Wii noobs they want anymore it's toddlers they're going after now. if a game is any bit challenging some child may not want it bought for him. i took on a new COD player last night he actually said that dust is really fun for him the guy was smart and easy to train, he could also navigate the merc quarter UI without a lot of instruction. AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6253	Posted - 2014.12.02 01:45:00 - [17] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Yea seriously this game gets hundreds (at least) of new players to try it every day. However because the new player experience is so poor, is lacking severely in proper tutorials and stable game modes for the noobs that most of them stop playing :( I don't understand why even after more than two years CCP couldn't be bothered to put a couple of video tutorials. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 1091	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:09:00 - [18] - Quote All I know is that if I'm lucky enough to land a PS4 this Christmas, I'll be moving the PS3 upstairs to the older, smaller TV just so I can still hop onto Dust and (continue to) make a fool of myself. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof
Stevez Wingyip Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:15:00 - [19] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I hope I am wrong but my feeling is that technology goes out of fashion very quickly, People will want to play their PS4s and Xbox ones in 2015 I have tried to get so many of my friends into this game and they all leave as soon as they get out of the battle academy. They do really well when all the gear is equal and then when they get proto stomped and nearly kill proto players by about 2 armour left, it's just stupid in their eyes and also in my eyes. I stuck this game out enough to play at that level but for a new player it's an absolute joke of an experience and no casual player wants to deal with that. Even these APEX suits are useless for new players. I bought them purely for looks because no matter how good you are at this game, the better gear player will win if the skill level is even. And I have had many fps players from PC and console quit for that reason. They are not bad players, they just get out geared and it takes FOREVER to get even to advanced level with boosters. The most frustrating feeling in this game is in a 1 on 1 fight, me with my standard it, nearly taking down a proto assault and him surviving on 5% hp. He won because of GEAR alone and in an FPS, this just isn't good. I mean, you have to spend AGES just getting 25% more shield and armour on your suits. Like that is already a massive disadvantge. Throwing new players into proto geared matches and they have not even got the max possible hp for their suits yet? I just hope Legion gets the green light, we all get to move our characters over because THAT is the only inspiration I have left to play this game. Which is a shame because this has the potential to be such a good game.
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 62	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:19:00 - [20] - Quote Bethhy wrote: jane stalin wrote: I hope I am wrong but my feeling is that technology goes out of fashion very quickly, People will want to play their PS4s and Xbox ones in 2015 Believe it or not... There are giant markets outside of the westernized world These markets tax goods that are not directly made in their country. Like Brazil, where a PS4 costs around 1,800 dollars US. And a PS3 costs 300ish. These countries like Brazil, India etc accept technology at a different rate. The PS3 has still years and years of life in the marketplace... The Game library, Streaming potential with Netflix in HD with Optical audio, A blue ray player and a fast one. The PS3 is just entering product cycles in these markets and will be around for years in them. The bang for buck is just to hard to ignore. The Next generation of games for the new consoles haven't offered the average consumer that "WOW" moment where they truly feel that it is "Next Gen".. Until those game products start cycling into the western markets in 2016.. There will be very minimal incentive to buy a next gen console other then those with expendable income sitting around or following a group of friends over. lol consumers with expendable income are also refered to as customers-CCP would like, in fact needs, more of these. Welcome to the real world.

Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5480	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:22:00 - [21] - Quote Everyone needs to keep in mind that PSN logins are a very easy metric to track, and the number of PS3 to PS4 users is still MASSIVELY skewed toward the former. Doing a migration to the new console at this point would not be a sensible business move. They need to wait longer for more people to buy the console and other games to come out to incentivize that larger number. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2256	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:53:00 - [22] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Everyone needs to keep in mind that PSN logins are a very easy metric to track, and the number of PS3 to PS4 users is still MASSIVELY skewed toward the former. Doing a migration to the new console at this point would not be a sensible business move. They need to wait longer for more people to buy the console and other games to come out to incentivize that larger number. Waiting means more games coming out for the PS4 which players will flock to, meaning players will be less likely to even try out DUST when ported. Meanwhile you're bleeding players on the PS3. Getting it on PS4 sooner with fewer games out means players will play DUST. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6320	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:43:00 - [23] - Quote I have a ps4 and pc. I play.... Warframe Arma 3 Planetside 2 Batllefield 4 Eve (taking a break) Rome 2 Total fail (Total war and its generally fixed now actually) Cs:go (sitting on a 46. something k/d now so i get hacusated all the time, still not banned newbs as i am legit, deal with it). Warhammer 40 retribution Soon..... Warhammer Eternal crusade Planetside 2 on ps4 So no, it's all preference. I am not paying at the mo as my ps3 died (even after monthly defrags and clean outs yet my woodgrain atari works fine and it's about 40+ years old, nice one sony) and its xmas so im pretty skint at the mo. I'll be getting a ps3 again once xmas is over. Hah, oh yeah my ps4 already died and needed re pasting but it is fixed now. NICE ONE SONY!. I am GJRs Renfield.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1169	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:55:00 - [24] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: my ps3 died (even after monthly defrags and clean outs yet my woodgrain atari works fine and it's about 40+ years old, nice one sony) Hah, oh yeah my ps4 already died and needed re pasting but it is fixed now. NICE ONE SONY!. I btch about this every time one of these new systems, controllers, etc. break these days. I have all my original consoles since the old woodgrain Atari and it wasn't until PS2 the consoles just started breaking. N64 was rough on the controllers but the damn console didn't break too. These DS3 controllers are the worst yet. Every 6 months or so I have to replace it. They just don't make sht like they used to. /old man rant
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6321	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:04:00 - [25] - Quote Dust User wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: my ps3 died (even after monthly defrags and clean outs yet my woodgrain atari works fine and it's about 40+ years old, nice one sony) Hah, oh yeah my ps4 already died and needed re pasting but it is fixed now. NICE ONE SONY!. I btch about this every time one of these new systems, controllers, etc. break these days. I have all my original consoles since the old woodgrain Atari and it wasn't until PS2 the consoles just started breaking. N64 was rough on the controllers but the damn console didn't break too. These DS3 controllers are the worst yet. Every 6 months or so I have to replace it. They just don't make sht like they used to. /old man rant I'm 27, the Atari is my uncles but aye, things are built to break to rake in the cash now defo. I am GJRs Renfield.
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 312	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:12:00 - [26] - Quote jane stalin wrote: I cannot see why new players would stay, I am amazed I did not give up after a proto stomp or after realizing the people that make the gear in the playstation store do not actually play the game and make crappy gear It was pure luck I played around with dropships and actually fluked putting a drop uplink on a tall building I was to scared to land it. It was pure luck I saw the good side it is hidden from new players, they will go and play something that looks and sounds better. When i was new, the only reason I stayed is because I had played much more difficult PC games like Quake, so I knew that there was a learning curve, and that it was possible that it could be awhile before I got the hang of things. Thats also why I didn't take the easy way out and do my progression with a squad. I gritted my teeth and made it work solo. Very few people are going to do this though.
zzZaXxx The Exemplars 686	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:14:00 - [27] - Quote Dust still suffers from a horrible NPE and lower SP/skill players being stomped and having nowhere to go to escape the proto overlords. Rattati has done a great job with balance and great changes to various mechanics, and the rifles, equipment, and suits--and making your own fittings--are unique and superior to those in any other game. Theres a lot of fun to be had and a lot to like about Dust for a veteran like me, but if I started the game now....I think it would be too brutal and punishing for me to want to invest much time in it.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6321	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:29:00 - [28] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: jane stalin wrote: I cannot see why new players would stay, I am amazed I did not give up after a proto stomp or after realizing the people that make the gear in the playstation store do not actually play the game and make crappy gear It was pure luck I played around with dropships and actually fluked putting a drop uplink on a tall building I was to scared to land it. It was pure luck I saw the good side it is hidden from new players, they will go and play something that looks and sounds better. When i was new, the only reason I stayed is because I had played much more difficult PC games like Quake, so I knew that there was a learning curve, and that it was possible that it could be awhile before I got the hang of things. Thats also why I didn't take the easy way out and do my progression with a squad. I gritted my teeth and now my ring piece is a gaping hole where time stops and light cannot escape. Very few people are going to do this though. I am GJRs Renfield.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10388	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:28:00 - [29] - Quote I know a lot of folks who would still play Super Smash Bros. Brawl on the Wii even after the SSB4 for WiiU came out. Just saying. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.


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