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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.30 03:11:00 -
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>implying "good player" flocked to the scout suit because of its mobility and not its crazy good base stats and invisibility...
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.30 03:57:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:
Shield regen for all suits SUCKS. Nerfing scout regen is not only a bad idea, but is just a butthurt attack at people who are better than you at this game. Assaults, again, need a shield regen buff. Perhaps a slight armor one as well.
That alone would make Caldari scouts need a shield recharger when tanking, compared to the "I have 450 shield at a 2/4 delay timer that all recharges at 50/s :D" meanwhile assaults have maybe 400 shield, and if they manage to pull off 2/4 delays, there's still the problem of profile, blindness, and the lack of 50/s on recharge.
The only assault I have seen at 400 shield is an apex minmitar one. Which has, IIRC, very close to a 50 hp/s recharge rate. Also, having 450 shield will put you at a 2/6ish delay timer. Just to clarify. Profile-just put a dampener or two on. Easy. Blindness: All assaults need a scan range buff (all suits need a slight scan range buff), but they should only be able to see commandos and sentinels. If a scout sneaks up on you, he deserves to win, but even then, you have enough HP to survive anything he throws at you, and can take out his paltry HP pool with ease.
How is saying an inflated number that encourages a play style that isn't intended for the scout to play butthurt?
And yes caldari scouts can have up to 400 shields tanked atim showed some crazy slayer scouts some forum posts ago.
Scanning isn't the issue it's the fact that my gallente scout can be an assault slayer with not detriment to itself because of it's base stats. Good thing the skill bonuses are being changed to accommodate it so that scouts HAVE to add E-war to get any benefit from it.
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
539
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Posted - 2014.11.30 04:06:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:
And an assault will be better than it, in every single way, other than being a scout...
You say that, but can you give me evidence beyond your usual "oh i use my assault more than my scout therfore it's better" routine? Like numbers, facts and non-anecdotal examples...
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.30 04:31:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:
Assault:
HP: 800
Profile: 26
Speed: 9.3, IIRC
CR that can easily kill any suit other than a tanked sentinel, dodges just about the same exact scans as the scout does, strafes at a negligibly slower speed, can survive all alpha weapons other than NK's on a min scout. Much better range and armor repair.
Scout:
HP: 400
Profile: 21
Speed: 10.31
Better scans, slightly better delays, worse regen rates. Hacks stuff fast. Dies to every alpha weapon in the game instantly.
In a game based around HP differences, I see no reason why to run an assault over a scout, other than to hack things.
And, if that doesn't convince you:
Im in FA. Im obviously a proto stomping scrub using the best FoTM gear of all, all the time because I'm a scrub.
Therefore, if i have stopped running scout and now run assault, then that means it is an FoTM scrub suit.
In addition, Ill give you my highest scores in ambush (purely slaying game mode, with scout and assault)
Scout: 21-2
Assault: 30-0
In addition, most of the REALLY good PC slayers (Kallente, ReGnYuM, Skeletor Voltron, etc) all use assaults in PC now. Ive even started using my assault, whenever heavy spam is lacking.
You know what this is relatively well put together, not the anecdotal bits about FA, PC slayers, and K/d but still. I guess it works when you're comparing the most balanced suit type in the game(relatively), however that isn't true for each race. Also it seems you left out quite a few values in your analysis.(balance is based off every aspect of a suit genius)
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
542
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Posted - 2014.11.30 04:37:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:
You know what this is relatively well put together, not the anecdotal bits about FA, PC slayers, and K/d but still. I guess it works when you're comparing the most balanced suit type in the game(relatively), however that isn't true for each race. Also it seems you left out quite a few values in your analysis.(balance is based off every aspect of a suit genius)
I only included the values that are important to slaying and helping the team. Unless, of course, you want to be a melee hero, in which case, you can either use the harder to use, but harder hitting assault, or the easy "invisible fist" melee scout.
Ya no, a slayer is affeceted by all the values that their suits have whether they know it or not...
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
542
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Posted - 2014.11.30 04:43:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:
You know what this is relatively well put together, not the anecdotal bits about FA, PC slayers, and K/d but still. I guess it works when you're comparing the most balanced suit type in the game(relatively), however that isn't true for each race. Also it seems you left out quite a few values in your analysis.(balance is based off every aspect of a suit genius)
I only included the values that are important to slaying and helping the team. Unless, of course, you want to be a melee hero, in which case, you can either use the harder to use, but harder hitting assault, or the easy "invisible fist" melee scout. Ya no, a slayer is affeceted by all the values that their suits have whether they know it or not... Name a value that i didn't list that helps a slayer with their slaying. I am being completely unbiased and brutally honest throughout this entire thread BTW. Im not intentionally trying to skew evidence to support my claims, or help myself in any way shape or form.
Repair rate, regen rate, recharge delay, equipment, stamina
Without those a slayer can't run, rep, or eve think about their next engagement.
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
550
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Posted - 2014.11.30 22:02:00 -
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What really bugs me about this post is that the OP is complaining about scout QQ, even though scout QQ has gone down since the advent of the cloak delay. I mean it's so hypocritical to complain about something that has stopped even though he's the one that started this awful post.
No, "good players"(fotm chasers) did not skill into the scout suit for better mobility to even entertain such a notion is asinine. The base stats of the scouts were, and are, very good, not to mention the passive E-war benefits, and invisibility.
This post is so awful that the OP tried to brush off some serious discrepancies as "butthurt," and then turned around and went to another topic to complain about how people in GD are stupid. Also hypocritical, if anyone is butthurt it's the OP, because his playstyle had been reduced to Fotm scrubbery.
In conclusion, OP if you didn't want scout QQ why did you start this post? My guess is to attempt to pat yourself on the back for being a scout, but in all honesty I don't care. Just please for the love of thought stop trying to stop thought.
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