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poison Diego wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

poison Diego wrote:

Thumb Green wrote:

The problem with the situations you keep describing, Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p, is that they all involve going toe-to-toe with the Sentinel. You just don't do that and it was designed for people to not do that.

I completely agree. You have to find a way to kill a heavy without confronting him directly. For that grenades, either flux or 2 core nades should weaken him sufficiently for you to confront him. Besides most heavies dont stack their sh*t up to top.

also either a charged ion pistol, bolt pistol headshot or a breach scrp headshot should weaken them enough to finish them off whith an allotek burst or a CR.

For this kind of combat it is good to have range amplifiers to follow the heavies movements as well as speed, that is as an assault. All this you would find in a scout but never would you have the same health as the assault.

Im talking about PC, where EVERY heavy stacks plates to the max.

And you say a headshot is easy to get with these weapons...by the time that you line up the shot and fire, the heavy has already done 500 damage to you. With the sheer number of bullets hitting you, its difficult to see as well, due to shield flare and what not.

In PC a lot of heavies stack feroscales and shield. And you made my point to. Its not supposed to be easy to kill a proto sentinel, you are supposed to feel accomplishment, not another frisbee practice with the buds..
And again you go to the part where you are looking at a heavy straight in front of you. Let me give you an advice, if you see a heavy looking your way you RUN AWAY!! and try again later.


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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2927	Posted - 2014.11.28 03:41:00 - [1] - Quote The new remote nerf is very sneaky...in my speed tanked assault, its almost as bad as the cloak. I personally am beginning to think that RE's are a bit too skilless, simply because of how easy it is to speed remote somewhere, and pop everyone, but if they are going to be nerfed, I think we need to look at heavies first, and how they are impossible to take out without a double or triple team of shotgunners or a remote explosive. The remote explosive is a counter to heavies--its the only suit that is slow enough for the remote to work. I like the idea of nerfing it, but if this occurs, heavies will need to be severely nerfed, so that gun game alone can kill them. Ive said it before, and Ill say it again--if you want assaults to be go to slayer suits, they need to be able to survive 1812894 hp Sentinels with 900 DPS death rays. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2932	Posted - 2014.11.28 16:28:00 - [2] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: I like the idea of nerfing it, but if this occurs, heavies will need to be severely nerfed, so that gun game alone can kill them. Gun game alone can kill a Sentinel. Good gun game includes knowing how and when to engage any given enemy; sentinels are easy pickings at long range and still killed at medium range with little risk if you aren't stupid. The problem is that most of the time people engage Sentinels on their terms at short range whether by map design or by their own stupidity. 1v1. Unless you have a RR, ScR, and sometimes breach AR, and the heavy is stupid enough to try to cross open ground, you won't kill him. If you run a CQC weapon, the heavy wins 9 times out of 10, simply because they can tank most of your clips worth of shots, if not the whole clip, and have much higher DPS than you as well. There is a reason that sentinels are so prevalent in PC. Thats also the reason why speedy assaults and scouts with remotes is the new counter-heavy meta. Which I hate BTW, despite the fact that it benefits me more than most. Its stupid that the only way to kill a tanked heavy sitting on an objective is to use more than one person, or RE chuck all over the place and hope that a heavy is caught in the blast. Your statement says that good gun game involves knowing when to engage an enemy sentinel. However, it is very VERY easy to make it so that there is no good time to engage an enemy sentinel. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2936	Posted - 2014.11.28 20:40:00 - [3] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: If heavies are impossible to kill with gungame, then i must a beastly god because i kill em like flies in my min assault with acr. You "dedicated" scouts need to adapt or skill into more suits. 1350 armor, 450 shield Am Sentinel Thats not going down to one assault. Unless he is AFK or has horrific aim, you will die. ACR has 85 rounds, IIRC, and each does ~22 damage. To break through the shield, you need 450/(22.85)=24 bullets hitting To break armor, at prof 5 CR, you need 1350/(221.15)=54 bullets hitting Thats 78 rounds that must hit on target to kill the sentinel. Now, with the hit detection/aiming coefficient on the sentinel being about 90% of the shots hitting, you have 781.1 shots to unload, or 86 rounds being fired before the sentinel dies. At 1200 RPM, or 20 rounds per second, this requires that you are alive for 4.3 seconds, constantly hitting the target. A typical minmitar assault layout has ~460 shields, and ~300 armor Boundless HMG with one complex damage mod does 832 DPS. To take out the shields, that is 460/(832.85), or .65 seconds To take out the armor, that is 300/(832*1.15), or .313 seconds (The calculations are different because the HMG damage can't be counted in damage per shot, because it chunks several shots into one frame, or at least appears to function like that) That is .963 seconds of survival you have if hit detection and aim works perfectly, which, of course, it does not. The aim and hit detection coefficient against the above suit is about .5, so you have .963/.5 seconds of survival time, or 1.927 seconds once he begins shooting at you. So, if you shoot the Sentinel in the back, and it takes him (4.3-1.927), or 2.37 seconds for him to turn around and begin shooting at you, then yes, you will win. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2936	Posted - 2014.11.28 21:13:00 - [4] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: The problem with the situations you keep describing, Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p, is that they all involve going toe-to-toe with the Sentinel. You just don't do that and it was designed for people to not do that. What is a situation where I can use: a.) non-damage modded shotgun b.) ACR c.) NV AR Against a brick tanked sentinel, and win? Please, id like to hear how to do it. And don't say "Don't go toe to toe",as that is a very vague and non-descriptive statement. Say, "shoot him in the back!" Or, "engage him outside of his range!" Or, "admit defeat, you can't kill a sentinel with a weapon, you need remote explosives!" "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2936	Posted - 2014.11.28 21:29:00 - [5] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Thumb Green wrote: The problem with the situations you keep describing, Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p, is that they all involve going toe-to-toe with the Sentinel. You just don't do that and it was designed for people to not do that. What is a situation where I can use: a.) non-damage modded shotgun b.) ACR c.) NV AR Against a brick tanked sentinel, and win? Please, id like to hear how to do it. And don't say "Don't go toe to toe",as that is a very vague and non-descriptive statement. Say, "shoot him in the back!" Or, "engage him outside of his range!" ~~Or, "admit defeat, you can't kill a sentinel with a weapon, you need remote explosives!"~~ Or, use your mobility & cover to your advantage. Toe-to-toe isn't vague, toe-to-toe is going up against your opponent as if you were equals. That's what everybody wants to do but that's just not how the game is meant to be. That could be even more vague than "Don't go toe-to-toe!". Try again. Are you saying "Run away!"? Are you saying "Strafe in front of the HMG and keep firing, you will win!"? Are you saying "Play ring-around-the-crate, until one of the other players on either team comes in to either destroy you, or distract the heavy for long enough to run away!"? I legitimately cannot tell. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2940	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:43:00 - [6] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: If anyone thinks what I'm saying is vague then there is no hope for them and yes, just so you don't think I'm being vague yet again, I'm saying there's no hope for you. So still no concrete statement? Thats a shame. You gave up without a fight, and resorted to ad hominems. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2941	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:01:00 - [7] - Quote poison Diego wrote: Thumb Green wrote: The problem with the situations you keep describing, Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p, is that they all involve going toe-to-toe with the Sentinel. You just don't do that and it was designed for people to not do that. I completely agree. You have to find a way to kill a heavy without confronting him directly. For that grenades, either flux or 2 core nades should weaken him sufficiently for you to confront him. Besides most heavies dont stack their sh*t up to top. also either a charged ion pistol, bolt pistol headshot or a breach scrp headshot should weaken them enough to finish them off whith an allotek burst or a CR. For this kind of combat it is good to have range amplifiers to follow the heavies movements as well as speed, that is as an assault. All this you would find in a scout but never would you have the same health as the assault. Im talking about PC, where EVERY heavy stacks plates to the max. And you say a headshot is easy to get with these weapons...by the time that you line up the shot and fire, the heavy has already done 500 damage to you. With the sheer number of bullets hitting you, its difficult to see as well, due to shield flare and what not. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2941	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:09:00 - [8] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Thumb Green wrote: If anyone thinks what I'm saying is vague then there is no hope for them and yes, just so you don't think I'm being vague yet again, I'm saying there's no hope for you. So still no concrete statement? Thats a shame. You gave up without a fight, and resorted to ad hominems. I gave a concrete statement, you're just being obtuse. Also I'm not attacking you, I'm just giving up on you so it's not an ad hominem "Use cover and mobility to your advantage!" is not a concrete statement. Not even close. Saying something like "Run away, regen your HP and come back to kill him from behind when he is engaging someone else!" is a concrete statement, and was similar to the one I was looking for. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2941	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:11:00 - [9] - Quote poison Diego wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: poison Diego wrote: Thumb Green wrote: The problem with the situations you keep describing, Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p, is that they all involve going toe-to-toe with the Sentinel. You just don't do that and it was designed for people to not do that. I completely agree. You have to find a way to kill a heavy without confronting him directly. For that grenades, either flux or 2 core nades should weaken him sufficiently for you to confront him. Besides most heavies dont stack their sh*t up to top. also either a charged ion pistol, bolt pistol headshot or a breach scrp headshot should weaken them enough to finish them off whith an allotek burst or a CR. For this kind of combat it is good to have range amplifiers to follow the heavies movements as well as speed, that is as an assault. All this you would find in a scout but never would you have the same health as the assault. Im talking about PC, where EVERY heavy stacks plates to the max. And you say a headshot is easy to get with these weapons...by the time that you line up the shot and fire, the heavy has already done 500 damage to you. With the sheer number of bullets hitting you, its difficult to see as well, due to shield flare and what not. In PC a lot of heavies stack feroscales and shield. And you made my point to. Its not supposed to be easy to kill a proto sentinel, you are supposed to feel accomplishment, not another frisbee practice with the buds.. And again you go to the part where you are looking at a heavy straight in front of you. Let me give you an advice, if you see a heavy looking your way you RUN AWAY!! and try again later. How are you supposed to headshot from behind...? And while that is true, thats more of an exception, and less of a rule. Heavies should be difficult to kill, yes, but not impossible. The HP is fine, but the death ray is not. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2941	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:12:00 - [10] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Please remember the condition that forces equipment to animate fully before allowing another action is a trait used on both the cloak and remote explosives. And no other equipment at all.... Though if you want to make this a scout nerf, Id recommend adding it to links as well, as that is really what our main role is. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2945	Posted - 2014.11.29 18:55:00 - [11] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: I dont know where your getting these numbers from, (nerd-alert!), but i was a dedicated heavy for a long time and i would never stack that much armor because that would mean a very slow and painfull gaming experience leading to a sure death. Anyway the HMG are far from a idiot proof weapon now and i usally just dance or strafe away from the HMG fire. One time i even killed 4 heavies in a row with the min assault in 1 vs 1`s. Any other weapon, especially rail rifles just tear heavies apart from range. And yes most of the combat rifle bullets must hit the heavy which is not hard. Edit: Grammar. protofits.com You might not, but that is the norm in a PC. 4x complex plates on an amarr sentinel. It doesn't matter if its slow and lacks regen if everyone is forced to attack you in your optimal, and you have a logi sticking his love stick in your ass. Congrats, I can too against terribad pub-scrubs. However, when people can aim, its a little harder to do. Wow, you are amazing. However, against good sentinels, and not pub-scrub heavy frames, thats a little harder to do. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2945	Posted - 2014.11.29 22:03:00 - [12] - Quote Zindorak wrote: What happened to my RE's? They now suffer from the same clunky animation as the cloak does. As in, after pulling them up, you have 4 seconds before you can use your weapon, and if you sprint or do anything while switching to your weapon, it cancels the switch. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.