DUST Search - Large Blaster Turret Proposition

True Adamance wrote:

Victor Moody Stahl wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

I used very simply logic to determine this as a suggestion.

-People say the Large Blaster requires no skill.

-People say the Plasma Cannon does require skill.

Thus if I fire Plasma Cannon rounds my turret now requires skill. Simple as that.

I approve this logic.

Sgt Kirk wrote:

I would just be happy with a Turret that fires a cannon like Projectile for once.

Maybe this could be the thing with blasters.

The bigger it is, the lesser the RoF or we could just make a new catagory of turrets for Gallente (since Caldari have two) and have them be the Large/Small Blaster Turret and Large/Small Plasma Turret.

I would love to have a mini plasma Cannon on my LAV. It'd probably work like a grenade launcher on a LAV.

It also creates more diversity for Medium turrets (which will probably never exist)

I also like this idea of a sort of mini-auto-PLC turret for LAVs. It would also be nice to put on an Incubus as a substitute for missiles.

While I think that suggestion is cool lets see if we can get this one pushed ahead and then iterated up.

I have ideas for all the racial turrets.

Amarr- Beam and Pulse Lasers
Gallente- Hybird Blaster, Hybrid Rail
Caldari- Hybrid Rail, Missile
Minmtar- AutoCannon (kinda like the current blaster), Artillery

Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.


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Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 95	Posted - 2014.12.03 22:26:00 - [1] - Quote So...burst fire Plasma Cannon? Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 96	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:03:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: So...burst fire Plasma Cannon? Not really. It is an automatic plasma cannon (I was inspired by the Kubo's) with minimal rounds to reduce killing potential vs Infantry targets, and buff the Blaster's DPS from the current lowest of all three Large Turrets to middle field, making it more competitive vs enemy HAV and Turrets. While at the same time representing Gallentean heavy armaments and allowing HAV to effectively bombard and area. As I stated the stats I believe are fair. Smaller Direct Damage per shell is less than similarly tiered PLC DPS is increased by 117 Represents Blaster Turrets in EVE side Reduced Anti Infantry Capacity without good aim. Could also have overheat and dispersion mechanics added. Sustained damage = exactly the same as the currently Ion Cannon. Ok, I like it...I was about to suggest something like a charge-to-burst PLC for it but I like your idea just as much if not more. My Idea: Large Blaster turret with a magazine of 4, you can either fire them 1 at a time at a ROF similar to the max of a charge sniper rifle, or charge the turret to unleash all 4 in one burst (the rounds dispersing away from each other), with a monstrously fast reload speed to complement it (1/3 the time of a Railgun let's say). But I hadn't gotten any specific damage numbers beyond that Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 97	Posted - 2014.12.04 07:52:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Well my ideal Large Rail basically ends with...... 150mm Carbide Railgun...... a 2318 damage railgun with a slower RoF, less rounds per magazine, lower vertical tracking, and great AoE Splash....... slightly more range. It's not designed to engage much but terrestrial vehicles and static emplacements. My ideal turrets for Blaster and Railgun are the ones mounted on the Hammerhead Skimmer Tank (the vanilla ones)...think about how awesomely good that thing relates between the two games (casts 40k bait for Rattati as well)...wish there where submunitions or canister shot variation railguns available...sometimes you just want a giant shotgun. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 98	Posted - 2014.12.04 10:01:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: True Adamance wrote: Well my ideal Large Rail basically ends with...... 150mm Carbide Railgun...... a 2318 damage railgun with a slower RoF, less rounds per magazine, lower vertical tracking, and great AoE Splash....... slightly more range. It's not designed to engage much but terrestrial vehicles and static emplacements. My ideal turrets for Blaster and Railgun are the ones mounted on the Hammerhead Skimmer Tank (the vanilla ones)...think about how awesomely good that thing relates between the two games (casts 40k bait for Rattati as well)...wish there where submunitions or canister shot variation railguns available...sometimes you just want a giant shotgun. Tau..... not the first choice I would have selected as a group to base something off of....... but makes sense I guess. Why not? High Tech-Shooty Army that uses a combination of Plasma based weaponry and Railguns? Great for Gallente and Caldari...not to mention their tank turrets are also called the Railgun and Ion Cannon XD (In one of the supplements you can also take missile pods) Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 99	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:47:00 - [5] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: This isn't a bad idea at all. However, the problem then becomes: why run tanks at all? If tanks can only shoot tanks, what is their purpose? All tank weapons should be anti-material...luckily for the tankers, infantry happen to be made out of material as well Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 100	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:57:00 - [6] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I adore the concept of an offensive bombardment oriented weapon rather than a sniper or alpha volley weapon. Hey I like my Railgun being an Industrial Strength Sniper Rifle...although we do need more bombardment type weapons...and industrial strength PLC (Like what Adamace suggested for the Large Blaster) or an Industrial Strength Mass Driver for a minmatar weapon Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 101	Posted - 2014.12.05 07:17:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Victor Moody Stahl wrote: True Adamance wrote: I used very simply logic to determine this as a suggestion. -People say the Large Blaster requires no skill. -People say the Plasma Cannon does require skill. Thus if I fire Plasma Cannon rounds my turret now requires skill. Simple as that. I approve this logic. Sgt Kirk wrote: I would just be happy with a Turret that fires a cannon like Projectile for once. Maybe this could be the thing with blasters. The bigger it is, the lesser the RoF or we could just make a new catagory of turrets for Gallente (since Caldari have two) and have them be the Large/Small Blaster Turret and Large/Small Plasma Turret. I would love to have a mini plasma Cannon on my LAV. It'd probably work like a grenade launcher on a LAV. It also creates more diversity for Medium turrets (which will probably never exist) I also like this idea of a sort of mini-auto-PLC turret for LAVs. It would also be nice to put on an Incubus as a substitute for missiles. While I think that suggestion is cool lets see if we can get this one pushed ahead and then iterated up. I have ideas for all the racial turrets. Amarr- Beam and Pulse Lasers Gallente- Hybird Blaster, Hybrid Rail Caldari- Hybrid Rail, Missile Minmtar- AutoCannon (kinda like the current blaster), Artillery Auto Cannons should be somewhere between current Blaster and current HMG IMO. Small Artillery as a Mass Driver Mount would be awesome...as would be having a "heavy" versions of small turrets more specialized for AV. Large Blaster Turrets need to be useful as an infantry support Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 103	Posted - 2014.12.07 23:03:00 - [8] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: True Adamance wrote: Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. If you change how it works and then also try and push onto pilots another 2 ppl with small turrets then you have to be able to answer the questions that will be asked, if you cannot answer them then leave them out or create a diff thread 2. I have no faith in the CPM and all we need is to bring back Chromo vehicles/turrets/skills/modules and skill bonuses Then another thread to discuss your concerns will have to be made this one is solely for talk about the Large Blaster and how to make it more competitive and less infantry mauling focused. 1. Then you should leave out forcing pilots to use small turrets let alone another 2 players, if this is about the L Blaster then it should just be about the turret and not about anything else Adamance's proposal is to make the Large Blaster Turret an Anti-Material Weapon first and foremost...as I've stated earlier, infantry happen to be made of material as well...it'll just become in some ways easier to hit infantry (as it'll have less dispersion and splash damage, albeit with a firing arc) while in other ways harder (as it will have fewer shots, and loose its spamability) Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 107	Posted - 2014.12.08 08:13:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Hmm, while I like the blaster changes you propose (though not sure how this would effect small blasters), I'm a bit iffy on your rail changes. We already have a huge alpha weapon, the XT missile turrets, though making the large railguns more of a long-range bombardment weapon does sound a little sexy. With just four shots per magazine, and a slow firing rate, will the proposed rail gun changes keep it competitive and able to kill vehicles before they disengage? Getting that third or even fourth round off depending on your target sounds like asking for a lot, if we assume current Gunnie EHP values vs rails and speeds... Missile's aren't actually and alpha weapon..... they're DPS in Dust at least but have such prolific DPS (which they shouldn't have) might as well be alpha. You pose a valid point. I'll come back to you on that. Currently in DUST Missiles are a Burst DPS weapon, not a true alpha striker, but performing a similar role (Like what they made RLMLs in EVE)... Railguns space-side are pretty much middle of the ground in all stats except for range (at which they are number 1...or two depending on the boat that's fitting cruise missiles). Space side I like to joke about Blasters being knives you mount on the outside of your ship...but they have the highest DPS and best damage application of all (well...except for a certain limited issue missile platform, but it would suffer from application issues)... Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 125	Posted - 2014.12.12 08:30:00 - [10] - Quote Friendly Neighborhood Bump for a great idea. Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.

Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 134	Posted - 2014.12.20 23:16:00 - [11] - Quote Another bump...also going to mention this in another thread...I want CCP to try to rush out a Snowball Version of this turret so people could see how it feels Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 209	Posted - 2015.02.26 17:18:00 - [12] - Quote Whatever changes come to the blaster, blapsters got to blap... PLC and Shotgun style are preferable to the autocannon/.50 cal we have now...turrets on whatever is considered an MBT need to feel like an MBT turret ...hmm Blaster as a short range T-Fire cannon...so many different ways this could be done Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal