DUST Search - Caldari sentinel PG

Jack 3enimble wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

I just specced this suit and boy, is it short of PG.

Even fitting an advanced HMG on a ck.0 is a struggle, you end up with standard sidearm and grenades and suboptimal modules. On the gk.0 I would fit a proto HMG and have enough left over for advanced/proto sidearm and grenade.

Perhaps the most galling thing is that if I give the ck.0 the same proto forge gun/advanced SMG/advanced grenade loadout as my gk.0 sentinel, I end up some 15 PG short - and that's with max core skills and level 5 fitting optimization! You basically HAVE to fit a PG upgrade to use a decent FG on a Caldari sentinel, in which case you have 500HP armour with only 1/HP regen.

Is this intentional? You'd think the Cal sentinel would be designed to use a FG, but if you try to do that you end up with a gimped fit.

do you have your Cores maxed?

can you make your fit on protofits with all 5s? can you link it too for sake of debate/scrutiny

Yes I have all cores maxed (I have 62.5 mil SP). I made the fit on protofits, I can't be arsed to make an account to share it but this is what it has:

3 complex damage mods
complex shield extender
Ishukone assault FG
SK9M breach SMG
EX-11 packed AV grenade
Complex armour repairer

With all skills maxed this is:

388/410 CPU
72/58 PG

And even if you swap out the SMG and AV grenades for basic ones it still has nothing like enough PG:

363/410 CPU
68/58 PG

complex armour rep..

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Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2087	Posted - 2014.11.27 11:23:00 - [1] - Quote I just specced this suit and boy, is it short of PG. Even fitting an advanced HMG on a ck.0 is a struggle, you end up with standard sidearm and grenades and suboptimal modules. On the gk.0 I would fit a proto HMG and have enough left over for advanced/proto sidearm and grenade. Perhaps the most galling thing is that if I give the ck.0 the same proto forge gun/advanced SMG/advanced grenade loadout as my gk.0 sentinel, I end up some 15 PG short - and that's with max core skills and level 5 fitting optimization! You basically HAVE to fit a PG upgrade to use a decent FG on a Caldari sentinel, in which case you have 500HP armour with only 1/HP regen. Is this intentional? You'd think the Cal sentinel would be designed to use a FG, but if you try to do that you end up with a gimped fit.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2163	Posted - 2014.11.27 11:52:00 - [2] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I just specced this suit and boy, is it short of PG. Even fitting an advanced HMG on a ck.0 is a struggle, you end up with standard sidearm and grenades and suboptimal modules. On the gk.0 I would fit a proto HMG and have enough left over for advanced/proto sidearm and grenade. Perhaps the most galling thing is that if I give the ck.0 the same proto forge gun/advanced SMG/advanced grenade loadout as my gk.0 sentinel, I end up some 15 PG short - and that's with max core skills and level 5 fitting optimization! You basically HAVE to fit a PG upgrade to use a decent FG on a Caldari sentinel, in which case you have 500HP armour with only 1/HP regen. Is this intentional? You'd think the Cal sentinel would be designed to use a FG, but if you try to do that you end up with a gimped fit. do you have your Cores maxed? can you make your fit on protofits with all 5s? can you link it too for sake of debate/scrutiny #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1539	Posted - 2014.11.27 12:35:00 - [3] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I just specced this suit and boy, is it short of PG. I don't understand mate I use an enhanced armour repairer 3 complex shield extenders and MH82 on the adv cal sent with no problem. You should be able to fit. Boundless and 4 complex on a proto without a problem. Then again you can fit 988 armour I don't have the last upgrade yet with boundless hmg on a standard amarr sentinel. You can also change the eextenders for 3 complex damage mods instead. The fitting limitations are fine but perhaps not your fitting. DUST VIDEOS
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1539	Posted - 2014.11.27 12:37:00 - [4] - Quote Oh and can't fit a forge gun? My only av suit is proto breach forge with bolt pistol armour repair and 3 complex damage mods on the adv cal sent. The suit is fine. DUST VIDEOS
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2591	Posted - 2014.11.27 12:39:00 - [5] - Quote You think the PG is short? The CPU is short too. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2087	Posted - 2014.11.27 15:24:00 - [6] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I just specced this suit and boy, is it short of PG. Even fitting an advanced HMG on a ck.0 is a struggle, you end up with standard sidearm and grenades and suboptimal modules. On the gk.0 I would fit a proto HMG and have enough left over for advanced/proto sidearm and grenade. Perhaps the most galling thing is that if I give the ck.0 the same proto forge gun/advanced SMG/advanced grenade loadout as my gk.0 sentinel, I end up some 15 PG short - and that's with max core skills and level 5 fitting optimization! You basically HAVE to fit a PG upgrade to use a decent FG on a Caldari sentinel, in which case you have 500HP armour with only 1/HP regen. Is this intentional? You'd think the Cal sentinel would be designed to use a FG, but if you try to do that you end up with a gimped fit. do you have your Cores maxed? can you make your fit on protofits with all 5s? can you link it too for sake of debate/scrutiny Yes I have all cores maxed (I have 62.5 mil SP). I made the fit on protofits, I can't be arsed to make an account to share it but this is what it has: 3 complex damage mods complex shield extender Ishukone assault FG SK9M breach SMG EX-11 packed AV grenade Complex armour repairer With all skills maxed this is: 388/410 CPU 72/58 PG And even if you swap out the SMG and AV grenades for basic ones it still has nothing like enough PG: 363/410 CPU 68/58 PG
Nirwanda Vaughns 998	Posted - 2014.11.27 15:26:00 - [7] - Quote If only there was a module to increase PG... perhaps make it go in the lowslot seeign as caldari shield tank so its not takign anything away from the defenses Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2087	Posted - 2014.11.27 15:27:00 - [8] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: You think the PG is short? The CPU is short too. If you have maxed core skills the CPU is fine. In fact it's virtually impossible to run out of CPU before you run out of PG unless you are running a lolfit with 3 or 4 rechargers.
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2087	Posted - 2014.11.27 15:28:00 - [9] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: If only there was a module to increase PG... perhaps make it go in the lowslot seeign as caldari shield tank so its not takign anything away from the defenses Thanks for this fabulous insight... that I mentioned in the OP. Git gud scrub.
Middas Betancore Fatal Absolution 196	Posted - 2014.11.27 15:33:00 - [10] - Quote With cores maxed, u may still need forge/hmg fitting opt, also complex extenders will drain ur pg I find I balance it by using an energizer, saves pg, as going regen on cal sentinel is a good play, also saving a bit of fit with basic flux nades on an hmg fit My fit is generally 1 energizer, 2 dmg, and an armour repper/plate U may still have trouble fitting, I found that the cal sentinel, commando and assault all needed fitting optimisation to reach their full potential Core upgrades 5, pg/CPU 5, heavy weapons 5, explosives 5, fitting optimisations 2-3 All pretty essential You could also use gallente or minmatar sidearms as they lean more toward CPU over pg "Deploy the gas, we'll burn what's left"- Redacted

Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2087	Posted - 2014.11.27 15:39:00 - [11] - Quote Middas Betancore wrote: With cores maxed, u may still need forge/hmg fitting opt, also complex extenders will drain ur pg I find I balance it by using an energizer as going regen on cal sentinel is a good play, also saving a bit of fit with basic flux nades on an hmg fit My fit is generally 1 energizer, 2 dmg, and an armour repper/plate U may still have trouble fitting, I found that the cal sentinel, commando and assault all needed fitting optimisation to reach their full potential Core upgrades 5, pg/CPU 5, heavy weapons 5, explosives 5, fitting optimisations 2-3 All pretty essential I have all those skills and then some (fitting optimisation 5). I do think a regulator or energizer is the best option there is, but it's still pretty much a wasted slot. The caldari sentinel regen is great even without it, what you really need is more gank and tank. My point is that most suits can fit gank and tank as they see fit, but the Caldari sentinel is forced into zero PG modules whether they like it or not.
Middas Betancore Fatal Absolution 196	Posted - 2014.11.27 15:41:00 - [12] - Quote Im away from my ps3 right now, but off my head this is my pro forge fit 3 complex dmg Enhanced energizer Enhanced reactive (not ideal, but it fits, its that or drop a dmg to enhance for an enhanced repper) Ex11 PAV grenades Kaalakiota Bolt pistol Ik assault forge Hope that's helpful Im certain I have bolt pistol and forge at fitting opt 2 at least "Deploy the gas, we'll burn what's left"- Redacted
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 487	Posted - 2014.11.27 16:02:00 - [13] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I just specced this suit and boy, is it short of PG. Even fitting an advanced HMG on a ck.0 is a struggle, you end up with standard sidearm and grenades and suboptimal modules. On the gk.0 I would fit a proto HMG and have enough left over for advanced/proto sidearm and grenade. Perhaps the most galling thing is that if I give the ck.0 the same proto forge gun/advanced SMG/advanced grenade loadout as my gk.0 sentinel, I end up some 15 PG short - and that's with max core skills and level 5 fitting optimization! You basically HAVE to fit a PG upgrade to use a decent FG on a Caldari sentinel, in which case you have 500HP armour with only 1/HP regen. Is this intentional? You'd think the Cal sentinel would be designed to use a FG, but if you try to do that you end up with a gimped fit. do you have your Cores maxed? can you make your fit on protofits with all 5s? can you link it too for sake of debate/scrutiny Yes I have all cores maxed (I have 62.5 mil SP). I made the fit on protofits, I can't be arsed to make an account to share it but this is what it has: 3 complex damage mods complex shield extender Ishukone assault FG SK9M breach SMG EX-11 packed AV grenade Complex armour repairer With all skills maxed this is: 388/410 CPU 72/58 PG And even if you swap out the SMG and AV grenades for basic ones it still has nothing like enough PG: 363/410 CPU 68/58 PG complex armour rep..
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2087	Posted - 2014.11.27 16:08:00 - [14] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: I just specced this suit and boy, is it short of PG. Even fitting an advanced HMG on a ck.0 is a struggle, you end up with standard sidearm and grenades and suboptimal modules. On the gk.0 I would fit a proto HMG and have enough left over for advanced/proto sidearm and grenade. Perhaps the most galling thing is that if I give the ck.0 the same proto forge gun/advanced SMG/advanced grenade loadout as my gk.0 sentinel, I end up some 15 PG short - and that's with max core skills and level 5 fitting optimization! You basically HAVE to fit a PG upgrade to use a decent FG on a Caldari sentinel, in which case you have 500HP armour with only 1/HP regen. Is this intentional? You'd think the Cal sentinel would be designed to use a FG, but if you try to do that you end up with a gimped fit. do you have your Cores maxed? can you make your fit on protofits with all 5s? can you link it too for sake of debate/scrutiny Yes I have all cores maxed (I have 62.5 mil SP). I made the fit on protofits, I can't be arsed to make an account to share it but this is what it has: 3 complex damage mods complex shield extender Ishukone assault FG SK9M breach SMG EX-11 packed AV grenade Complex armour repairer With all skills maxed this is: 388/410 CPU 72/58 PG And even if you swap out the SMG and AV grenades for basic ones it still has nothing like enough PG: 363/410 CPU 68/58 PG complex armour rep.. ...is pretty much essential given you have 500hp of armour and only 1hp/s native regen. And even if you drop it for an enhanced repper you're still way over PG.
hfderrtgvcd 1289	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:22:00 - [15] - Quote use an advanced shield extender. you only lose ~15 hp. Downgrading one of your damage mods would work too. The diff beteen adv and pro is only 1%. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4150	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:29:00 - [16] - Quote Your suit is not built for a complex armour repair mod. Swap for a enhanced or complex reactive or a shield regulator. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2090	Posted - 2014.11.27 18:30:00 - [17] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: use an advanced shield extender. you only lose ~15 hp. Downgrading one of your damage mods would work too. The diff beteen adv and pro is only 1%. Downgrading one module to advanced is hardly going to save me 14PG is it...
DarthPlagueis TheWise 434	Posted - 2014.11.27 18:37:00 - [18] - Quote It's the Sentinel fitting nerf from a while ago. All of the Sentinels basically had to dump millions into skills like Grenadier, Sidearm Operation, Fitting Optimization, etc. Basically it took me a few million SP just to be able to get my proto Amarr Sent armor stacked, with everything proto except the sidearm, which is advanced. F*k this cash grab fix the shit that matters: unkillable uplinks, invisible remotes on null cannon hack panels, etc.
Nirwanda Vaughns 999	Posted - 2014.11.27 18:41:00 - [19] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: If only there was a module to increase PG... perhaps make it go in the lowslot seeign as caldari shield tank so its not takign anything away from the defenses Thanks for this fabulous insight... that I mentioned in the OP. Git gud scrub. ever thought that the suit is designed that way? as has been stated at max core skills you're pretty much flooded with CPU and limited PG. just because you have a proto suit doesn't mean you can fit it with full proto, you still have to have a balance in there, if you want full proto shield and offense then you have to drop the armour and fit a PG mod. as for scrub, i'm not the one trying to have their cake n eat it when fitting a suit and then moaning about it when it doesnt all fit. Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2090	Posted - 2014.11.27 18:44:00 - [20] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: It's the Sentinel fitting nerf from a while ago. All of the Sentinels basically had to dump millions into skills like Grenadier, Sidearm Operation, Fitting Optimization, etc. Basically it took me a few million SP just to be able to get my proto Amarr Sent armor stacked, with everything proto except the sidearm, which is advanced. ... and my point is that you cannot dream of fitting a proto Caldari sentinel like that even with max skills across the board. To which it seems the default blueberry response is 'fit regulators! Make everything advanced! There's loads of fitting space if you gimp your fit! Derp-a-derp-a-derp!'

Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2090	Posted - 2014.11.27 18:47:00 - [21] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: If only there was a module to increase PG... perhaps make it go in the lowslot seeign as caldari shield tank so its not takign anything away from the defenses Thanks for this fabulous insight... that I mentioned in the OP. Git gud scrub. ever thought that the suit is designed that way? as has been stated at max core skills you're pretty much flooded with CPU and limited PG. just because you have a proto suit doesn't mean you can fit it with full proto, you still have to have a balance in there, if you want full proto shield and offense then you have to drop the armour and fit a PG mod. as for scrub, i'm not the one trying to have their cake n eat it when fitting a suit and then moaning about it when it doesnt all fit. To repeat, the point is you CAN have your cake and eat it with the Gallente and Amarr sentinels, but not the Caldari.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2594	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:08:00 - [22] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: You think the PG is short? The CPU is short too. If you have maxed core skills the CPU is fine. In fact it's virtually impossible to run out of CPU before you run out of PG unless you are running a lolfit with 3 or 4 rechargers. A lol fit is putting that many (heavy) damage mods on a forge in my opinion. Don't use dmg mods and you will see it is fine for PG. Though it struggles to even run 2 extenders and 2 energizers so 2 rechargers it is. Like people have worked out in the past, the damage mods wont change how many shots it takes on ~things~ as personally since I pulled my damage mods off after reading this I have been enjoying the increased shield capability and have not noticed any difference when forging. And personally I run a regulator in the lows, certainly not a PG intensive armour module. The proto regulators use less of both PG and CPU compared to a proto armour repair. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Middas Betancore Fatal Absolution 196	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:19:00 - [23] - Quote Interesting comment on dmg mods, I didn't look at it that way, But still dmg mods will still "be useful" in a combined attack perhaps with other mercs "Deploy the gas, we'll burn what's left"- Redacted
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2594	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:23:00 - [24] - Quote Middas Betancore wrote: Interesting comment on dmg mods, I didn't look at it that way, But still dmg mods will still "be useful" in a combined attack perhaps with other mercs I have not ran the numbers or anything but my experience would lead me to believe co-ordinated attacks might still benefit from damage mod stacking. I could see how a pair of breach forgers might want to wack a tank in a couple of shots with stacked dmg mods or something. But yea for solo forge gunning I dont use dmg mods any more. Someone out there can probably run the numbers. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 647	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:31:00 - [25] - Quote I have all my fitting skills maxed out.. I can only run a advanced sidearm and no grenade. They nerfed them pretty hard but then again.. look at the forge gun... F them for listening to the cry hard and #$@ that weapon. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox. Dustin since 6/29/2012
Ku Shala The Generals 1030	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:43:00 - [26] - Quote why are you fitting all extenders duck and cover ffs 1 second recharge delay and 3 energisers with complex armour rep = 100ehp a sec *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
Middas Betancore Fatal Absolution 197	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:47:00 - [27] - Quote Yeah, I rarely have the patience for "math-hammering", but I will prob take off dmg mods on my forge kits, see if I notice much difference, I haz prof 4 anyways, I find as long as my accuracy is on form, it's probably correct in that dmg mods probably don't make a significant difference Rough brain math puts it somewhere at 100-150 extra dmg, over 4 shots 400-600....for 2 complex mods I think one could do better with 2 high slots The regulators aren't a terrible idea, however, If you run complex extenders you will cancel out your regu bonus Also you will not really be saving much time wise, I favour the armour repper I keep regulators for my Calmando, assault an logi "Deploy the gas, we'll burn what's left"- Redacted
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 585	Posted - 2014.11.27 20:58:00 - [28] - Quote You should use a combo of extenders, energizers and rechargers on that suit to make proper use of the shield recharge. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 101	Posted - 2014.11.27 21:28:00 - [29] - Quote OP is absolutely correct. I pointed out Cal Sent would be PG poor when the sentinel CPU/PG changes were suggested. This is particularly true if your fitting an AFG. The responses received were suggested gimped fittings. The Cal Sent remains PG poor.


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