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Her Chosen
Grade No.2
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Posted - 2014.11.27 04:12:00 -
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Many of you may not know, but there was a time that being a Scout in DUST 514 took actual skill. They were rare. It wasn't until the mediocre scouts complained, complained, complained, that they were given the buff to transform the landscape of this game forever.
During the skill days, Shotty made a leaderboard that listed the top scouts in the game. By kills and KDR. The only qualification you needed to be on the board, was be a scout more than 50% of the time. People like Radar, DJINN Marauder, Lightning, and bunch of old players that none of you probably ever saw in battle topped the list.
That list was the very proof to every person who said scouts needed a buff pre.1.7, didn't. There were many players in this game that could do not only good in a scout, but be great. But that wasn't enough for the greedy scouts. Scouts like Shotty himself.
They finally got every type of buff they asked for, and now the majority of frames in games are scouts (outside of starter-fits). Imagine a world that you saw 1-2 scouts every 4-5 matches. Not 10 scouts every match..
So, if that board is still these forums, someone should find it. . . because it was a prime example of CCP fixing something that didn't need to be fixed, and ended up breaking it.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
953
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Posted - 2014.11.27 04:14:00 -
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The Barber Shop.
Renamed and moved to locker room. Should be up top. I'm on that thing too.
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
433
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Posted - 2014.11.27 04:15:00 -
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Honestly all we needed was the E-war buffs, and the cloak...(and cpu/pg for the cloak)
But we also got an hp buff, regen buff, recharge delay buff, extra slot, extra equipment(i'm not against the slots either.) Oh, and the dampening bonus became an exclusive to gallente, and caldari suit(i can't even remember the old bonuses)
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Can I haz ur isk?
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4810
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Posted - 2014.11.27 04:21:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Honestly all we needed was the E-war buffs, and the cloak...(and cpu/pg for the cloak)
But we also got an hp buff, regen buff, recharge delay buff, extra slot, extra equipment(i'm not against the slots either.) Oh, and the dampening bonus became an exclusive to gallente, and caldari suit(i can't even remember the old bonuses) We didn't NEED the cloak, it was just something cool to have.
Also, we didn't get an eHP buff. The STD scouts were buffed in slots, though, I think. Gallente PRO Scout always had 2/4, and I think ADV had 2/2 while STD had 1/2. Made no sense. And of course the extra equipment slot. |
LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
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Posted - 2014.11.27 04:22:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Honestly all we needed was the E-war buffs, and the cloak...(and cpu/pg for the cloak)
But we also got an hp buff, regen buff, recharge delay buff, extra slot, extra equipment(i'm not against the slots either.) Oh, and the dampening bonus became an exclusive to gallente, and caldari suit(i can't even remember the old bonuses) You know, all we really needed was an ewar buff and a change to the scanning system to how it is today. We didn't need a cloak, but an extra EQ slot was icing on the cake. The original intent was that they could carry uplinks and hives or REs, and it was well intended. I don't know, I think they should get rid of the extra EQ, except on the Amarr so that people can say it is unique and stands put as the other scouts are.
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
433
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Posted - 2014.11.27 04:27:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Honestly all we needed was the E-war buffs, and the cloak...(and cpu/pg for the cloak)
But we also got an hp buff, regen buff, recharge delay buff, extra slot, extra equipment(i'm not against the slots either.) Oh, and the dampening bonus became an exclusive to gallente, and caldari suit(i can't even remember the old bonuses) We didn't NEED the cloak, it was just something cool to have. Also, we didn't get an eHP buff. The STD scouts were buffed in slots, though, I think. Gallente PRO Scout always had 2/4, and I think ADV had 2/2 while STD had 1/2. Made no sense. And of course the extra equipment slot. Yes we did get an eHP buff. Fotm scouts don't know anything. The proto gal scout had 1/4 and the pro min scout had 3/2 I think I wasn't a min scout til recently. IMO we needed the cloak. I don't care what some filthy casual fotm scrub has to say.
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Can I haz ur isk?
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Crimson ShieId
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
1438
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Posted - 2014.11.27 06:01:00 -
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Quote:Yes we did get an eHP buff. Fotm scouts don't know anything. The proto gal scout had 1/4 and the pro min scout had 3/2 I think I wasn't a min scout til recently. IMO we needed the cloak. I don't care what some filthy casual fotm scrub has to say.
Edit:checked one of moody's vids and it was in fact 3/2 for min scout layout
I don't recall ever getting a base EHP buff. Slot buff, yea, but I think it's been like it is now since uprising released... it's been so long though, but if that changed, it went right under the radar for a lot of people.
As for the OP, as much as I enjoyed scouting back then and as long as it took to get into the role, I feel like it was actually easier to be a scout then rather than now. Back before the buff, you didn't have any competition, at least not often. It was rare to see an extra scout on the field, and while the roll took longer to get used to because of how weak the suits were, it was also easier to survive because of the lack of enemy scouts. Now, you've almost always got at least one cloaked Gallente shotgunner, or a brick tanked Caldari scout with a cloak running around. The former is annoying, but easy to detect, the other can become completely invisible while still maintaining a high HP pool, so unless you're running the best, it's difficult to survive anymore.
Probably one of the few cases in this game where "balancing" a suit or weapon wasn't the best idea, especially considering Rattati is still trying to fix all the imbalances scouts created when they were buffed. At least things are getting back to normality again, though I still miss the old scouting days, especially the thrill of finally getting my range amplifiers to lv5.
I want to punch.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2283
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Posted - 2014.11.27 06:27:00 -
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Locker room. The Barbershop (dont question it just go with it).
I stll dont know how i got on there. IMHO i think the only buff that was needed wasEWAR. I dont hardly ever get angry at cloakers anyore. Inevery game, if there is a cloak and shotgun, there is a cloak shotgun user. And in every game, its extremely popular.
Only the scrubs complained. IMHO just because someone or someones can be effective at a role doesnt mean that role doesnt need a buff. They overbuffed scouts big time.
I like the slot layout H/L slot wise but i dont know whyi dont like the second equipment slot. I just dont it feels unnecessary.
I sometimes hate being scout now cause there is always some cheap bastard with shotgun cloak user that has the advantage of being little harder to see while im easy to spot cause i dont use cloak except on my min.
While its cool to have, its use i dont see were to use it except on outside objectives and stealth purpose for min.
PSN Sil4ntChaozz
I am the Ninja that no one sees and if seen killed with ease
No mic scout. Fight me.
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Alex-ZX
Valor Coalition Red Whines.
50
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Posted - 2014.11.27 06:49:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:Many of you may not know, but there was a time that being a Scout in DUST 514 took actual skill. They were rare. It wasn't until the mediocre scouts complained, complained, complained, that they were given the buff to transform the landscape of this game forever.
During the skill days, Shotty made a leaderboard that listed the top scouts in the game. By kills and KDR. The only qualification you needed to be on the board, was be a scout more than 50% of the time. People like Radar, DJINN Marauder, Lightning, and bunch of old players that none of you probably ever saw in battle topped the list.
That list was the very proof to every person who said scouts needed a buff pre.1.7, didn't. There were many players in this game that could do not only good in a scout, but be great. But that wasn't enough for the greedy scouts. Scouts like Shotty himself.
They finally got every type of buff they asked for, and now the majority of frames in games are scouts (outside of starter-fits). Imagine a world that you saw 1-2 scouts every 4-5 matches. Not 10 scouts every match..
So, if that board is still these forums, someone should find it. . . because it was a prime example of CCP fixing something that didn't need to be fixed, and ended up breaking it.
Just as 1 opinion, i believe they weren't the ones that start the scout thing, let me explain it. I start playing long time ago at the beginnings of the beta (still remember that sign of work in progress, lol) and everybody at that time used assault dropsuits, simply because it was easier to shield tank (in that time) and i can remember almost perfectly that in beta time there was only 1 real scout hard to kill him was Zander Rodriguez Aka Sleepy Zan, also im sure of it 'cause in beta time it was really easy to see the players several times (because it was CLOSE BETA, lol) and i can't remember his name, from many players i fought against even in that time the "best" players Mr Zitro Omnipotens Zitro Xprotoman were the best players in beta time (in my opinion) they used the assault in the patch that was in March or April (can't remember well) the best 4 players were 1.- Omnipotens Zitro 2.-Mr Zitro 3.- Alex-ZX 4.- Xprotoman in order of bets killers with the leader board. My first role was scout because in that time it was really easy to get a proto suit also because it was nice in my opinion. (it was almost "impossible" to see another scouts) in other words i'm not saying i was the first scout but i was maybe the starter of the scouts, from March to July the number of scouts grew a lot scouts that used the Old Boundless Breach smg And if my memory is as perfect as always i was the first 1 using that combo scout + BRsmg (note: both zitros start using the same combo later in July and many others start using scouts. after time of playing ccp nerfed my beloved smg and from that time i can remember some of the most famous scout already mentioned Sleepy Zan R4adar rad Lighting Alex-ZX im mentioning this not for being mad or anything like that, but i can't remember right now (lol memory) any other scout that made me say "dam u are freaking good". maybe because of the time and that i never checked the forums in 2012 -2013 the ppl never knew me completely, also because i used to play almost 80% time solo. but this history is completely true my first post was after the first officer event July in this exactly year take this knowledge as true or leave it there are ppl like r4dar, lighting, stlcarlos, zitros, kushmir nadian, that are old beta players that can tell u about it. (note2: as i said before it isn't to say thet they weren't real scouts or less just history)
*Alex's modified ZX-030 HMG
Luis' modified VC-107 CR
Alex's modified VC-107 SMG* Owner of this beasts
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Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
748
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Posted - 2014.11.27 14:38:00 -
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Scouting was cake in Chromosome. Uprising 1.0 arrived, and everyone who intended to remain competitive dropped Scout for Logi. A handful of exceptions stuck with Scout for the eight months which followed.
8213 is right in that you could expect to see 1-2 Scouts every 4 or 5 matches. Whether or not that's indicative of a "healthy Scout" is debatable. Debatable by GD standards, at least.
Yes, Scouts received too much of a buff following 1.8. In the nerfs which have followed, Rattati has been kind enough to iterate with the scalpel rather than slam with the hammer. We're getting closer and closer to balance. |
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4811
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Posted - 2014.11.27 15:02:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Joel II X wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Honestly all we needed was the E-war buffs, and the cloak...(and cpu/pg for the cloak)
But we also got an hp buff, regen buff, recharge delay buff, extra slot, extra equipment(i'm not against the slots either.) Oh, and the dampening bonus became an exclusive to gallente, and caldari suit(i can't even remember the old bonuses) We didn't NEED the cloak, it was just something cool to have. Also, we didn't get an eHP buff. The STD scouts were buffed in slots, though, I think. Gallente PRO Scout always had 2/4, and I think ADV had 2/2 while STD had 1/2. Made no sense. And of course the extra equipment slot. Yes we did get an eHP buff. Fotm scouts don't know anything. The proto gal scout had 1/4 and the pro min scout had 3/2 I think I wasn't a min scout til recently. IMO we needed the cloak. I don't care what some filthy casual fotm scrub has to say. Edit:checked one of moody's vids and it was in fact 3/2 for min scout layout 1/4? That can't be right. I'm pretty sure it was always 2/4.
Also, what eHP buff? For Gallente, at least, it was always 130 armor, and 70 for shields. That still the same, I think. Or was it 100 armor and 70 shields? |
gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
438
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Posted - 2014.11.27 17:10:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Joel II X wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Honestly all we needed was the E-war buffs, and the cloak...(and cpu/pg for the cloak)
But we also got an hp buff, regen buff, recharge delay buff, extra slot, extra equipment(i'm not against the slots either.) Oh, and the dampening bonus became an exclusive to gallente, and caldari suit(i can't even remember the old bonuses) We didn't NEED the cloak, it was just something cool to have. Also, we didn't get an eHP buff. The STD scouts were buffed in slots, though, I think. Gallente PRO Scout always had 2/4, and I think ADV had 2/2 while STD had 1/2. Made no sense. And of course the extra equipment slot. Yes we did get an eHP buff. Fotm scouts don't know anything. The proto gal scout had 1/4 and the pro min scout had 3/2 I think I wasn't a min scout til recently. IMO we needed the cloak. I don't care what some filthy casual fotm scrub has to say. Edit:checked one of moody's vids and it was in fact 3/2 for min scout layout 1/4? That can't be right. I'm pretty sure it was always 2/4. Also, what eHP buff? For Gallente, at least, it was always 130 armor, and 70 for shields. That still the same, I think. Or was it 100 armor and 70 shields? You obviously weren't a scout pre-buffs. Yes all of that the cherry on top was the strafe buff, that was unintended, but they decided no to change it.
Gallente scout, heavy, logi, and assault
Can I haz ur isk?
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance
1159
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Posted - 2014.11.27 17:42:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:Many of you may not know, but there was a time that being a Scout in DUST 514 took actual skill. They were rare. It wasn't until the mediocre scouts complained, complained, complained, that they were given the buff to transform the landscape of this game forever.
During the skill days, Shotty made a leaderboard that listed the top scouts in the game. By kills and KDR. The only qualification you needed to be on the board, was be a scout more than 50% of the time. People like Radar, DJINN Marauder, Lightning, and bunch of old players that none of you probably ever saw in battle topped the list.
That list was the very proof to every person who said scouts needed a buff pre.1.7, didn't. There were many players in this game that could do not only good in a scout, but be great. But that wasn't enough for the greedy scouts. Scouts like Shotty himself.
They finally got every type of buff they asked for, and now the majority of frames in games are scouts (outside of starter-fits). Imagine a world that you saw 1-2 scouts every 4-5 matches. Not 10 scouts every match..
So, if that board is still these forums, someone should find it. . . because it was a prime example of CCP fixing something that didn't need to be fixed, and ended up breaking it.
You act like scouts were fine back then. Seriously, anything a scout could do back then, a standard assault could probably do better.
Chocolate Juice
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
2148
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Posted - 2014.11.27 19:04:00 -
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I always laugh when people say that making a class viable to more then 1 and a half a person is making it have no skill.
Cloak, while currently OP, is making the scout usable by more people.
While its always obvious that Scouts required MORE skill before cloaks, they still require more skill then to be a Militia AssaultBerry
I Live for Tears
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Pushing Charlie
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
453
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Posted - 2014.11.27 19:54:00 -
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Hipster Scout detected, exiting thread.
May we never forget his sacrifice
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4812
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Posted - 2014.11.27 20:36:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Joel II X wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Joel II X wrote:gustavo acosta wrote:Honestly all we needed was the E-war buffs, and the cloak...(and cpu/pg for the cloak)
But we also got an hp buff, regen buff, recharge delay buff, extra slot, extra equipment(i'm not against the slots either.) Oh, and the dampening bonus became an exclusive to gallente, and caldari suit(i can't even remember the old bonuses) We didn't NEED the cloak, it was just something cool to have. Also, we didn't get an eHP buff. The STD scouts were buffed in slots, though, I think. Gallente PRO Scout always had 2/4, and I think ADV had 2/2 while STD had 1/2. Made no sense. And of course the extra equipment slot. Yes we did get an eHP buff. Fotm scouts don't know anything. The proto gal scout had 1/4 and the pro min scout had 3/2 I think I wasn't a min scout til recently. IMO we needed the cloak. I don't care what some filthy casual fotm scrub has to say. Edit:checked one of moody's vids and it was in fact 3/2 for min scout layout 1/4? That can't be right. I'm pretty sure it was always 2/4. Also, what eHP buff? For Gallente, at least, it was always 130 armor, and 70 for shields. That still the same, I think. Or was it 100 armor and 70 shields? You obviously weren't a scout pre-buffs. Yes all of that the cherry on top was the strafe buff, that was unintended, but they decided no to change it. Lol okay. I'll just pretend I had a Starter Medic suit only until scouts became FotM because I never never used a scout before.
I just forget since it was a long time ago and only had the Gallente Scout at 4 by that time. Buuuut I'm PRETTY sure it was 1/2 (clearly remember), 2/2 (clearly remember), and 2/4 (foggy memory since I hadn't unlocked proto until the mid 1.7).
I don't remember an eHP buff, but I remember the generation buff and EWAR buff. Don't remember the speed buffs, but you could be right. |
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
8301
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Posted - 2014.11.27 22:42:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:Many of you may not know, but there was a time that being a Scout in DUST 514 took actual skill. They were rare. It wasn't until the mediocre scouts complained, complained, complained, that they were given the buff to transform the landscape of this game forever.
During the skill days, Shotty made a leaderboard that listed the top scouts in the game. By kills and KDR. The only qualification you needed to be on the board, was be a scout more than 50% of the time. People like Radar, DJINN Marauder, Lightning, and bunch of old players that none of you probably ever saw in battle topped the list.
That list was the very proof to every person who said scouts needed a buff pre.1.7, didn't. There were many players in this game that could do not only good in a scout, but be great. But that wasn't enough for the greedy scouts. Scouts like Shotty himself.
They finally got every type of buff they asked for, and now the majority of frames in games are scouts (outside of starter-fits). Imagine a world that you saw 1-2 scouts every 4-5 matches. Not 10 scouts every match..
So, if that board is still these forums, someone should find it. . . because it was a prime example of CCP fixing something that didn't need to be fixed, and ended up breaking it.
The list is on the first post of the Barbershop thread in the locker room.
Scouting was impossibly difficult back then, the buff was needed, but this was way too much.
Now we are trying to find a middle ground where you don't have to be a masochist to enjoy running the suit, yet still being PC effective.
1.7 was probably the best build for scout balance. Then the Cal scout came and destroyed the meta in about 1 week
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
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DAAAA BEAST
BEAST EMPIRE
303
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Posted - 2014.11.27 23:15:00 -
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All of you guys are talking about slayer scouts smh. Real scouts are fully dampened with very strong Ewar in the Highs and Dampening or Kinetics Codebreakers in the lows.. List made by a scout member from his own experience and player he knows doesn't prove nothing. I don't even need a leaderboard to know who is best. I don't even need to know who is best. Some guys that you never heard from before can own you in game because they are smarter than you , running around like you are the best on the field.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
15131
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Posted - 2014.11.27 23:21:00 -
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DAAAA BEAST wrote:All of you guys are talking about slayer scouts smh. Real scouts are fully dampened with very strong Ewar in the Highs and Dampening or Kinetics Codebreakers in the lows.. List made by a scout member from his own experience and player he knows doesn't prove nothing. I don't even need a leaderboard to know who is best. I don't even need to know who is best. Some guys that you never heard from before can own you in game because they are smarter than you , running around like you are the best on the field.
You don't have to be smart when you can wall hack, be visually invisible, and mini map invisible...... much like I do not have to be smart to drive a 8-9K EHP tank around the map.
I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this.
Can't stand non-believers and honest, the truth is...
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
10323
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Posted - 2014.11.27 23:24:00 -
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Actually, back then the scouts legitimately needed a buff. The problem here is that the buffs were too much. In fact, maybe a little more than what we asked for. We wanted scouts to be viable and useful, but not overpowering. We wanted them to be flexible, but not outclass other classes in their own class (ie: assaults being outclassed by scouts). People like me are now looking for a balance between pre-1.7 and now in regards to scouts.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
6214
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Posted - 2014.11.28 01:17:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Locker room. The Barbershop (dont question it just go with it).
It has the Closest Shave in New Eden TM.
Because knives. Think Sweeney Todd.
Thunderbolt. verb and noun.
"James thunderbolted in his pants."
"I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2927
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Posted - 2014.11.28 03:29:00 -
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The assault performed fine before the buff.
ReGnYuM destroyed people with it all the time before it was buffed.
Therefore, based on your logic, the assault buff shouldn't have occurred.
Also, Skeletor Voltron used the HMG heavy back before it was OP, when the HMG had half its current DPS and shot a laser beam, and he raped face with it.
Therefore, based on your logic, the HMG and Sentinel buffs shouldn't have occurred.
"Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
15153
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Posted - 2014.11.28 03:34:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:The assault performed fine before the buff.
ReGnYuM destroyed people with it all the time before it was buffed.
Therefore, based on your logic, the assault buff shouldn't have occurred.
Also, Skeletor Voltron used the HMG heavy back before it was OP, when the HMG had half its current DPS and shot a laser beam, and he raped face with it.
Therefore, based on your logic, the HMG and Sentinel buffs shouldn't have occurred.
Hell a lot was better before the "buffs"
I said, "Empress, I do this, I thought that you knew this.
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