DUST Search - Why does the min scout get the NK bonus?

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Stupid Blueberry wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Stupid Blueberry wrote:

What's cal scout supposed to be focused around, then? Being runner-up in the stealth category? ****** up hitbox?

They're focused around Scan Radius.

Yeah that was valid when we still had the precision bonus. Kind of useless now...

I don't think so. Losing the Precision does suck but with our dampening is not that bad. Amarr Scout with two complex precision means they get to 17.85. Caldari Scout with two complex dampeners gets to 15.72, invisible to Amarr Scout trying their hardest. The only thing that can pick a Caldari Scout up that is using two dampeners, which is not our Primary Tanking doctrine slot, is a Prototype Focused Scanner used by a level 5 Gallente Logistics.

Because of the E-war change, it pushes our range out meaning that we are getting more area in the 100% and 110% Scan strength. It does suck losing the bonus to Precision but Caldari Scouts are not in a terrible situation from what I can tell. This way, the Amarr Scout suit looks more attractive than just being the "I run a little longer" guy while the Caldari still has a decent niche. We can see every non-scout from quite a distance and we can be invisible to most things while not hurting our Tank much.

I think Range is more useful than Nova Knife damage given that a shotgun is a better alpha strike weapon than a knife. But I do have to politely ask: what is the focus of this thread? It started as "the Minmatar shouldn't have a bonus to a Caldari weapon that the Caldari train with since pre-K" but now I wonder if you are just upset with the nerf to Precision. Would you be kind enough to specify?

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Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 645	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:09:00 - [1] - Quote GÇ¥(GÇª) although Caldari refer to it as an "art" rather than a combat technique. Called "SGÇÖkarpur stalaandi" (literally GÇ£sharp steel spiritGÇ¥) it is one of the oldest surviving Caldari traditions, dating back to the Raata Empire (GÇª) [and] widely in practice still today although its lack of modern practical use. Children are usually trained from the age of four, (...) [in] the rather questionable belief that it helps them develop discipline and spiritual strength (GÇª) [and although] being obviously useless for space warfare it is a requirement for all warship pilots. Among the many bizarre misconceptions the Caldari hold for their GÇ£artGÇ¥ (GÇª) is the clearly irrational belief that dueling against each other is a way to preserve unity among them (GÇª) belief that only a militaristic, tradition-obsessed society like the Caldari could possibly keep alive to this modern age.GÇ¥ Quoted from Jean-Pierre Beaumont, GÇ£A short history of Caldari military traditionsGÇ¥ I'm actually really mad about this, Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Sir Petersen D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1061	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:24:00 - [2] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: GÇ¥(GÇª) although Caldari refer to it as an "art" rather than a combat technique. Called "SGÇÖkarpur stalaandi" (literally GÇ£sharp steel spiritGÇ¥) "Skarpur" is sharp in Icelandic. "Stelandi" means stealing but "St+íl andi" is steel spirit. Stelandi is a legit word here in Iceland but I-¦ve never heard of a st+íl andi and neither has google.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2755	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:25:00 - [3] - Quote Because CCP liked the idea of the Minja. The really, REALLY fast dude that has less HP than the other slightly less fast dudes and stabs people with knives. There are a few ways to look at this: 1. "CCP is ignoring the lore!" Anger, basically. 2. It is a placeholder for the Minmatar melee weapon. Of course, I think the idea of having multiple melee weapons that do the same thing (IE, stab dudes) is pointless. If it is something like an AV melee weapon, sure, but just another melee weapon that is supposed to be used against Infantry is superfluous in my opinion. 3. "The Minmatar use whatever the have to, no matter who builds it." 4. It is just the way the game works. This is the "because God wanted it that way!" argument though. Of course, the Minmatar Commando also gets a bonus to the Caldari Swarm Launcher. shrug "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Sir Petersen D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1061	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:28:00 - [4] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Because CCP liked the idea of the Minja. The really, REALLY fast dude that has less HP than the other slightly less fast dudes and stabs people with knives. There are a few ways to look at this: 1. "CCP is ignoring the lore!" Anger, basically. 2. It is a placeholder for the Minmatar melee weapon. Of course, I think the idea of having multiple melee weapons that do the same thing (IE, stab dudes) is pointless. If it is something like an AV melee weapon, sure, but just another melee weapon that is supposed to be used against Infantry is superfluous in my opinion. 3. "The Minmatar use whatever the have to, no matter who builds it." 4. It is just the way the game works. This is the "because God wanted it that way!" argument though. Of course, the Minmatar Commando also gets a bonus to the Caldari Swarm Launcher. shrug Sir Petersen wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: GÇ¥(GÇª) although Caldari refer to it as an "art" rather than a combat technique. Called "SGÇÖkarpur stalaandi" (literally GÇ£sharp steel spiritGÇ¥) "Skarpur" is sharp in Icelandic. "Stelandi" means stealing but "St+íl andi" is steel spirit. Stelandi is a legit word here in Iceland but I-¦ve never heard of a st+íl andi and neither has google. It's a Caldari word. It is from the Fighting duels which is player created fiction. Nice :) Close to Icelandic like many other names/words in the world of EvE/Dust.
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 960	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:29:00 - [5] - Quote Cause Calja sucks, calmurai sucks too. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 646	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:37:00 - [6] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: Cause Calja sucks, calmurai sucks too. It wouldn't suck if it got a bonus to IT's racial weapon.... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 960	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:39:00 - [7] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: pagl1u M wrote: Cause Calja sucks, calmurai sucks too. It wouldn't suck if it got a bonus to IT's racial weapon.... Calja... Would you Like to be a Calja? CALJA?? One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 646	Posted - 2014.11.26 11:41:00 - [8] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: pagl1u M wrote: Cause Calja sucks, calmurai sucks too. It wouldn't suck if it got a bonus to IT's racial weapon.... Calja... Would you Like to be a Calja? CALJA?? Look, i know you don't care about lore, but some of us do, and some stupid naming convention should not get in the way of this. EDIT: And FYI it would be called "Rirokai". Stealth warfare. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2757	Posted - 2014.11.26 12:04:00 - [9] - Quote pagl1u M is saying a joke: The reason the Minmatar get it is because "Minja" sounds better than "Calja" (Caldari Ninja) or "Calmurai" (Caldari Samurai, though I think this sounds bloody awesome). "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2143	Posted - 2014.11.26 12:07:00 - [10] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: GÇ¥(GÇª) although Caldari refer to it as an "art" rather than a combat technique. Called "SGÇÖkarpur stalaandi" (literally GÇ£sharp steel spiritGÇ¥) it is one of the oldest surviving Caldari traditions, dating back to the Raata Empire (GÇª) [and] widely in practice still today although its lack of modern practical use. Children are usually trained from the age of four, (...) [in] the rather questionable belief that it helps them develop discipline and spiritual strength (GÇª) [and although] being obviously useless for space warfare it is a requirement for all warship pilots. Among the many bizarre misconceptions the Caldari hold for their GÇ£artGÇ¥ (GÇª) is the clearly irrational belief that dueling against each other is a way to preserve unity among them (GÇª) belief that only a militaristic, tradition-obsessed society like the Caldari could possibly keep alive to this modern age.GÇ¥ Quoted from Jean-Pierre Beaumont, GÇ£A short history of Caldari military traditionsGÇ¥ I'm actually really mad about this, because minmatar drew the short straw when CCP were handing out racial skills to their preferential children #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]

Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 646	Posted - 2014.11.26 12:10:00 - [11] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: GÇ¥(GÇª) although Caldari refer to it as an "art" rather than a combat technique. Called "SGÇÖkarpur stalaandi" (literally GÇ£sharp steel spiritGÇ¥) it is one of the oldest surviving Caldari traditions, dating back to the Raata Empire (GÇª) [and] widely in practice still today although its lack of modern practical use. Children are usually trained from the age of four, (...) [in] the rather questionable belief that it helps them develop discipline and spiritual strength (GÇª) [and although] being obviously useless for space warfare it is a requirement for all warship pilots. Among the many bizarre misconceptions the Caldari hold for their GÇ£artGÇ¥ (GÇª) is the clearly irrational belief that dueling against each other is a way to preserve unity among them (GÇª) belief that only a militaristic, tradition-obsessed society like the Caldari could possibly keep alive to this modern age.GÇ¥ Quoted from Jean-Pierre Beaumont, GÇ£A short history of Caldari military traditionsGÇ¥ I'm actually really mad about this, because minmatar drew the short straw when CCP were handing out racial skills to their preferential children One shot heavies? Insta-hack? Super-av? super strafe speed and dual tank? short straw? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 13972	Posted - 2014.11.26 12:29:00 - [12] - Quote Because the Matari Scout is focused around assassination, a role done perfectly by NKs. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 649	Posted - 2014.11.26 12:43:00 - [13] - Quote What's cal scout supposed to be focused around, then? Being runner-up in the stealth category? ****** up hitbox? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 960	Posted - 2014.11.26 12:45:00 - [14] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: What's cal scout supposed to be focused around, then? Being runner-up in the stealth category? ****** up hitbox? Are you really complaing about calscout? Blueberries are stupider than I thought... One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 13972	Posted - 2014.11.26 12:45:00 - [15] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: What's cal scout supposed to be focused around, then? Being runner-up in the stealth category? ****** up hitbox? They're focused around Scan Radius. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 649	Posted - 2014.11.26 12:48:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: What's cal scout supposed to be focused around, then? Being runner-up in the stealth category? ****** up hitbox? They're focused around Scan Radius. Yeah that was valid when we still had the precision bonus. Kind of useless now... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 649	Posted - 2014.11.26 12:50:00 - [17] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: What's cal scout supposed to be focused around, then? Being runner-up in the stealth category? ****** up hitbox? Are you really complaing about calscout? Blueberries are stupider than I thought... Nice bait. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 530	Posted - 2014.11.26 12:59:00 - [18] - Quote Cuz matari scout is an assassin type. And he looks better with knives. Also, knives are for fastest suits. Matari is faster than any other suit. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2757	Posted - 2014.11.26 13:08:00 - [19] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: Atiim wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: What's cal scout supposed to be focused around, then? Being runner-up in the stealth category? ****** up hitbox? They're focused around Scan Radius. Yeah that was valid when we still had the precision bonus. Kind of useless now... I don't think so. Losing the Precision does suck but with our dampening is not that bad. Amarr Scout with two complex precision means they get to 17.85. Caldari Scout with two complex dampeners gets to 15.72, invisible to Amarr Scout trying their hardest. The only thing that can pick a Caldari Scout up that is using two dampeners, which is not our Primary Tanking doctrine slot, is a Prototype Focused Scanner used by a level 5 Gallente Logistics. Because of the E-war change, it pushes our range out meaning that we are getting more area in the 100% and 110% Scan strength. It does suck losing the bonus to Precision but Caldari Scouts are not in a terrible situation from what I can tell. This way, the Amarr Scout suit looks more attractive than just being the "I run a little longer" guy while the Caldari still has a decent niche. We can see every non-scout from quite a distance and we can be invisible to most things while not hurting our Tank much. I think Range is more useful than Nova Knife damage given that a shotgun is a better alpha strike weapon than a knife. But I do have to politely ask: what is the focus of this thread? It started as "the Minmatar shouldn't have a bonus to a Caldari weapon that the Caldari train with since pre-K" but now I wonder if you are just upset with the nerf to Precision. Would you be kind enough to specify? "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 649	Posted - 2014.11.26 13:09:00 - [20] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Atiim wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: What's cal scout supposed to be focused around, then? Being runner-up in the stealth category? ****** up hitbox? They're focused around Scan Radius. Yeah that was valid when we still had the precision bonus. Kind of useless now... I don't think so. Losing the Precision does suck but with our dampening is not that bad. Amarr Scout with two complex precision means they get to 17.85. Caldari Scout with two complex dampeners gets to 15.72, invisible to Amarr Scout trying their hardest. The only thing that can pick a Caldari Scout up that is using two dampeners, which is not our Primary Tanking doctrine slot, is a Prototype Focused Scanner used by a level 5 Gallente Logistics. Because of the E-war change, it pushes our range out meaning that we are getting more area in the 100% and 110% Scan strength. It does suck losing the bonus to Precision but Caldari Scouts are not in a terrible situation from what I can tell. This way, the Amarr Scout suit looks more attractive than just being the "I run a little longer" guy while the Caldari still has a decent niche. We can see every non-scout from quite a distance and we can be invisible to most things while not hurting our Tank much. I think Range is more useful than Nova Knife damage given that a shotgun is a better alpha strike weapon than a knife. But I do have to politely ask: what is the focus of this thread? It started as "the Minmatar shouldn't have a bonus to a Caldari weapon that the Caldari train with since pre-K" but now I wonder if you are just upset with the nerf to Precision. Would you be kind enough to specify? Thing is, none of the other scouts have to choose between their bonuses. You can either fit damp or range, and neither of those are high slot. EDIT: I'm just upset that a race other than the Caldari got the NK bonus. Given that swordplay is a spiritual thing with the Cal, also given that Nova Knives are caldari... Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.

TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 354	Posted - 2014.11.26 13:10:00 - [21] - Quote We should be getting racial knives soon so everyone shut up. That moment when you mow down a proto Caldari assault suit with a militia laser rifle. Words can't describe it.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2586	Posted - 2014.11.26 13:51:00 - [22] - Quote That 'Art' is going to gut every last one of you Gallente filth when my brave brethren board your ships, storm your cities and take your women. When you have no ammo left, when the power is offline - that art will bring the Caldari people to victory. Gallente filth, too corrupt and too blind to see the value. LOLRP LOLCP "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2586	Posted - 2014.11.26 13:55:00 - [23] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: What's cal scout supposed to be focused around, then? Being runner-up in the stealth category? **** up hitbox? Its hit box is fine, its the bloody crazy levels of shield stats that it has! Have you seen how fast it recharges, how fast the delay and depleted recharge is! I have seen some Caldari scouts regen shields during a short window of missing a few shots or while I reload. Heck even my Caldari sentinel would like some of the Caldari scouts shields stats. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big fk-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 650	Posted - 2014.11.26 13:57:00 - [24] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: What's cal scout supposed to be focused around, then? Being runner-up in the stealth category? **** up hitbox? Its hit box is fine, its the bloody crazy levels of shield stats that it has! Have you seen how fast it recharges, how fast the delay and depleted recharge is! I have seen some Caldari scouts regen shields during a short window of missing a few shots or while I reload. Heck even my Caldari sentinel would like some of the Caldari scouts shields stats. So use a scrambler rifle? Or maybe a breach AR? BTW the c/1-series hitbox is most definitely ****. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2301	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:08:00 - [25] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: What's cal scout supposed to be focused around, then? Being runner-up in the stealth category? **** up hitbox? Its hit box is fine, its the bloody crazy levels of shield stats that it has! Have you seen how fast it recharges, how fast the delay and depleted recharge is! I have seen some Caldari scouts regen shields during a short window of missing a few shots or while I reload. Heck even my Caldari sentinel would like some of the Caldari scouts shields stats. So use a scrambler rifle? Or maybe a breach AR? BTW the c/1-series hitbox is most definitely **. So we need to use not only anti shield weaponry, but the most OP of it all to kill a weaker class? Sorry,but i don't recall needing to use a CR on Amarr scouts in order to mybe have a chance to kill it. I don't EVER recall needing to use 5+ peoplr firing simultaneously to take down a lone Sentinel. For duck's sake, even a Caldari Sentinel can be killed with a CR. General John Ripper -BAM!** I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation'
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 650	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:10:00 - [26] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: What's cal scout supposed to be focused around, then? Being runner-up in the stealth category? **** up hitbox? Its hit box is fine, its the bloody crazy levels of shield stats that it has! Have you seen how fast it recharges, how fast the delay and depleted recharge is! I have seen some Caldari scouts regen shields during a short window of missing a few shots or while I reload. Heck even my Caldari sentinel would like some of the Caldari scouts shields stats. So use a scrambler rifle? Or maybe a breach AR? BTW the c/1-series hitbox is most definitely ****. So we need to use not only anti shield weaponry, but the most OP of it all to kill a weaker class? Sorry,but i don't recall needing to use a CR on Amarr scouts in order to mybe have a chance to kill it. I don't EVER recall needing to use 5+ peoplr firing simultaneously to take down a lone Sentinel. For duck's sake, even a Caldari Sentinel can be killed with a CR. Will you people stop crying about shield regen and derailing my thread, please? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Bremen van Equis Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:21:00 - [27] - Quote I don't know what they're doing up in space, but down here in the Dust I hear tell that Caldari folk prefer weapons and drop suit EWAR with greater range so they don't have to get too close to the action...
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 651	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:29:00 - [28] - Quote Bremen van Equis wrote: I don't know what they're doing up in space, but down here in the Dust I hear tell that Caldari folk prefer weapons and drop suit EWAR with greater range so they don't have to get too close to the action... sssssssssssssscoooooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuut. they die at long range. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2404	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:42:00 - [29] - Quote Stupid Blueberry wrote: GÇ¥(GÇª) although Caldari refer to it as an "art" rather than a combat technique. Called "SGÇÖkarpur stalaandi" (literally GÇ£sharp steel spiritGÇ¥) it is one of the oldest surviving Caldari traditions, dating back to the Raata Empire (GÇª) [and] widely in practice still today although its lack of modern practical use. Children are usually trained from the age of four, (...) [in] the rather questionable belief that it helps them develop discipline and spiritual strength (GÇª) [and although] being obviously useless for space warfare it is a requirement for all warship pilots. Among the many bizarre misconceptions the Caldari hold for their GÇ£artGÇ¥ (GÇª) is the clearly irrational belief that dueling against each other is a way to preserve unity among them (GÇª) belief that only a militaristic, tradition-obsessed society like the Caldari could possibly keep alive to this modern age.GÇ¥ Quoted from Jean-Pierre Beaumont, GÇ£A short history of Caldari military traditionsGÇ¥ I'm actually really mad about this, Because the only other bonus they have is to hacking. All the others have some eWar bonuses; the Min does not. I don't mind them having hacking and knives. I went Gal scout, but the shotgun seems very hit or miss, pun intended. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 652	Posted - 2014.11.26 14:48:00 - [30] - Quote yeah, but they really could just swap the two. swap our damps for their NK bonus. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.



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