I'm actually fine with them. What I don't understand is why the Sentinel is being given the highest penalty with scouts.

Strafe dodging fire in a fatsuit is hilarious because it doesn't really help.

The only place you can do it is in front of a tank turret up close but that can be fixed by increasing turret rotation speed by 10% and slightly increasing large blaster rate of fire.

I know because I do it a lot. I exploit the firing mechanics of the turrets to make HAV drivers rage.

Show me a video of sentinels strafe glitching consistently over several matches and I'll likely change my tune.

But I'm having a hard time understanding how adding a proportionately smaller load increases a movement penalty that significantly.

You can strafe glitch assault suits successfully but they are getting the smallest penalty?

No really I'm confused, not trolling and open to logic.

The issue with strafing is not the fact that moving side to side makes you harder to hit. This exists on *literally* every shooter ever. Even oldschool Rainbow Six had it.

In dust high speeds cause hit detection to fail. Or hit detection to not fail and displayed objects to fail. Or both. No one is exactly sure what part of the equation is breaking -- but you can put a shot on a high speed suit, get your hit sound, get your hit marker, get a shield flash, have a red reticule, literally everything in the game. And sometimes it won't count as damage. Even though you hit them plainly.

That's the problem everyone is having. Scouts, being high speed naturally, are currently much harder to kill than their HP would suggest. Some assaults can do it too. Sentinels cannot. They can strafe, and if they zig when you think they were gonna zag you will miss and that is your bad. or their good. or whatever. But if you hit a sentinel you will always get the damage credit for it.

Hence sentinels are not broken when it comes to taking damage, and do not need a dodge nerf.

Thank you for understanding this, I still have Faith in CCP only because of you.

Why dont you add that strafe penalty only to sentinels and scouts, this will slow sentinels that stack hp and will nerf tanking scouts.

Also Rattati please can you provide us more datas about most used suit in PC and pubs? (like the datas you have us about best killers of PC)

Also, making tanked scouts strafe slower won't fix their dominance in pubs. As long as they can see an enemy coming from Xm away, both on their radar and on tacnet, and have a weapon that can kill even a heavy with 1200+HP in 1-3 hits, you will not fix their effectiveness. Especially in pubs, because the only viable countermeasure to scouts right now is running in blobs of people that actually pay attention, which is rare in pubs.

When extenders give the exact same penalty as armor, why fit anything but armor? Armor gets more HP anyway. This will further drive the armor metagame. Can we please give the infantry shield tankers SOMETHING?!

I am in those threads. In all of them.

And scans that can not be avoided are gross!

It has to become easier to avoid scans!

But enough of that. This is OT.

Having the same penalty for two different modules only encourages that both modules be used since you are already taking the hit for one of them. It will encourage even more brick-tank style play and not diversify the module usage like CCP is hoping for. Instead they need to come up with a different penalty for the shields. That way if you do both armor AND shields you get two different penalties and not just one that you can overcome by being a better statistician than CCP is.

Please re-read... I said putting the SAME penalty on two DIFFERENT types of tanking will only encourages the usage of BOTH of them not one. Earlier I detailed this here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2479861#post2479861

Why should you ever expect to have the luxury to see an enemies every step on a radar?

How is it acceptable that one guy on the enemy team can *blip* for one second and reveal my position to his whole team?

How is it acceptable that one guy can see me coming from +30m away, relay this information to his whole squad, and do all that without even using a single module?

Anticipating your enemies next step should be a skill that you have to learn after many hours of playing a game, not a built-in feature.

With scans that are too strong 1vs1 fights are boring because you can see exactly what you opponent is up to, and it is close to impossible to disengage.

I don't have a problem with shotgun scouts 3-shotting heavies, if they have earned it through clever gameplay instead of waiting around a corner until the red arrow moves into range.

At least give people the choice to avoid being scanned! Right now, as a Medium suit you don't have a choice because there is no way you can stop a Gal Logi with a proto scanner (not even focused) to reveal your position to the entire enemy team. If there is a Gal Logi on the enemy team, go HP or die!

And people are still complaining that Gal Logi is useless because he can't easily scan scouts who actually care and devote their fitting towards not being scanned.

You're still not getting it... You say, "I still think that adding penalties to something isnt going to make it more attractive" *I* never said it makes it more attractive. I said that by only having one penalty, then thee is no difference between using shield tanking, armor tanking, and BOTH. Thus using BOTH is just as "attractive" as using only one or the other. Now if they had DIFFERENT penalties, then you would incur BOTH of those and then things become an actual trade-off as is often used in most game design theory. This is how choices and game balance is maintained in many games. I believe that if CCP does this change to BOTH armor and shields, then they remove that CHOICE from the game and upset one of the balancing points of the game-play.