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Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3460	Posted - 2014.11.23 13:54:00 - [1] - Quote Correct me if I'm wrong but CCP nerfed the time it takes to use your weapon when decloaking but buffed the decloaking animation, right? I'm sorry but that defeats the purpose. And it's evident because now players are shooting while still invisible. It's worse than it was before! Point of the delay was so that you have to be visible before you can fire. But buffing the animation duration negates the nerf. I'm trying to understand the logic for buffing the animation. The decloak animation should be removed or it should be so instantaneous that it appears to have been removed. > Check RND out here
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2711	Posted - 2014.11.23 14:03:00 - [2] - Quote They made it slower to pull up a weapon or piece of equipment from the cloak regardless if it is active or not. This means that some weapons that have a naturally faster "pull up" animation like the Shotgun or Assault Rail Rifle notice nothing while people that use Plasma Cannons are incredibly slow to go from cloak to weapon. Really, all it needs to be is "you cannot fire until 1.5 seconds have passed after you appear." TF2 has been that way for years and it seems to work. If need be, make 1.5 seconds longer but it just needs to be "cannot fire until X duration has passed after decloaking." "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 1129	Posted - 2014.11.23 14:09:00 - [3] - Quote I have seen scouts shoot two and three shotgun shoots while still invisible. The delay to switching to weapons is prefect now but somehow it made shooting while invisible even worse. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Duke Noobiam The-Devil's-Rejects 264	Posted - 2014.11.23 14:23:00 - [4] - Quote I agree with TS. Was in battle on Friday where I witnessed a scout getting off 2 shotgun rounds while still cloacked (saw this twice myself and squad mates confirmed they saw it also). It's very frustrating that this is still an issue as it is one of the most unbalanced aspects of the game right now. BPO dropsuits owned: Sever M-1 logi, Quafe M-1 assault, Quafe M-1 scout, Raven C-1 assault, Dragonfly G-1 scout
hfderrtgvcd 1236	Posted - 2014.11.23 16:22:00 - [5] - Quote Its still a problem, but its much better than before. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 564	Posted - 2014.11.23 16:35:00 - [6] - Quote lol you are cute for trying to make logic out of the developers decision. When do you learn that there is a monkey throwing darts at a spreadsheet with random numbers? Thats the main influence of how things get nerfed/buffed. Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
RedPencil Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 143	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:22:00 - [7] - Quote Decloak animation must be removed until we can find a better solution. Right now, we just go back to early 1.8 when people can shoot while Cloaking CCP slow down time to putdown cloak, not the time to pull up a weapon. Also it affect all cloaker regardless if it is active or not. This is the most stupid way to fix cloak. Still, Rattati claim " it is work as intended " . Don't you know Rattati, the point of the delay was so that you have to decloak and be visible before you can fire Current implement, the cloaker has fully cloak during decloak delay (the putdown phase). Also the decloak animation render after decloaked ( during pull up weapon). This is why instance pull up weapon like the Shotgun, Assault Rail Rifle, or SCR can shoot While Cloaking. Prove your view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khwz82yRZH0&feature=youtu.be (0:05 - 0:06) putdown cloak with out activate, arm slowly move down because the delay (1sec) (0:06) instant put up shotgun + fire the first shot. (0:19 - 0:20) putdown cloak with activate, arm slowly move down because the delay (1sec) (0:20) instant put up shotgun + fire the first shot. Decloak animation start. (0:21) fully decloak. (already shoot 2 shots) 3th view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-jnU96Tif4&feature=youtu.be (0:05 - 0:06) putdown cloak with activate, arm move down and pause because the delay (1sec) (0:06) instant put up shotgun + fire the first shot. Decloak animation start. (0:07) fully decloak. (already shoot 2 shots) (0:20 - 0:21) putdown cloak with activate, arm move down and pause because the delay (1sec) (0:21) instant put up shotgun + fire the first shot. Decloak animation start. (0:22) fully decloak. (already shoot 2 shots) credit: Kain Spero Beware Paper cut M[;..;]M
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2570	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:24:00 - [8] - Quote Yes it clearly is worse than before. Before it was a case of people could shoot as they were decloaking. Now people can get off a good portion of shots before they even begin to decloak. I dont understand why they increased the delay but also increased the time to 'drop cloak'. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
RedPencil Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 143	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:31:00 - [9] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: I dont understand why they increased the delay but also increased the time to 'drop cloak'. Hear is your answer: CCP Rattati wrote: Changing the decloak animation to zero as we ended up doing before 1.9, was a hack. We always wanted to have cloaked players gradually appear with the swirling animation, as it actually is more noticieable than just "tada!".. I guess, he prefer to get shot by a cloaking shooter than "tada!" cloaked appear, so this is why we end up as 1.8 Beware Paper cut M[;..;]M
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6126	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:47:00 - [10] - Quote What is annoying is that if you had cloak equipped but not active it ends up being a 2 or 3 second delay to using your weapon, even though you weren't actually cloaked in the first place... Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

Grimmiers 720	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:48:00 - [11] - Quote The slow animation fix is a bit awkward. It seems like it would've been easier to code a timer before the fire button is useable.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5325	Posted - 2014.11.23 19:53:00 - [12] - Quote Cloaks aren't as noticeable too me anymore either. I used to see them easily. Now it's hard for me to see them even if I'm fairly certain where they are. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
Union118 Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 19	Posted - 2014.11.23 20:54:00 - [13] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: .Ive seen scouts shoot two and three shotgun shoots while still invisible. The delay to switching to weapons is prefect now but somehow it made shooting while invisible even worse. I was killed with a scrambler rifle and he was still invisable. I was also strafing but since I couldnt see em I missed most of my shot Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
B-F M Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 69	Posted - 2014.11.23 23:47:00 - [14] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cloaks aren't as noticeable too me anymore either. I used to see them easily. Now it's hard for me to see them even if I'm fairly certain where they are. Do you mean in general or just in maps with the new lighting conditions? I haven't tested it much but I know that in broad daylight they are literally invisible. I wonder if they increased the sunlight brightness in day lighting conditions... GöÇGòñGòªn++ Ghosts of Dawn // now recruiting. n++GòªGòñGöÇ
RedPencil Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 144	Posted - 2014.11.24 03:34:00 - [15] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: What is annoying is that if you had cloak equipped but not active it ends up being a 2 or 3 second delay to using your weapon, even though you weren't actually cloaked in the first place... Wanna repeat it thousand time! Beware Paper cut M[;..;]M
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3467	Posted - 2014.11.24 03:47:00 - [16] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cloaks aren't as noticeable too me anymore either. I used to see them easily. Now it's hard for me to see them even if I'm fairly certain where they are. This is another point. I didn't want to say this because I thought it was just me. But I feel like the invisbility got buffed as well. Before, if I decloaked in front of me...I was able to track them sometimes. But now, it is harder to see them. They cloak right in front of me and they are gone. > Check RND out here
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6043	Posted - 2014.11.24 05:15:00 - [17] - Quote It's not the biggest issue for me, but I have watched friendlies get double shotted by Scouts who were still in cloak. CCP gave cloaks an unnecessary buff. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3468	Posted - 2014.11.25 07:34:00 - [18] - Quote RedPencil thanks for the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-jnU96Tif4&feature=youtu.be If this isn't broken, then I dont' know what is. Actual proof of being able to shoot while still cloaked. I'm going to bump with this link until it's fixed. Might as well ban me now > Check RND out here
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 532	Posted - 2014.11.25 07:37:00 - [19] - Quote Wow, almost the opposite is working for me. Pressing the button I customized for swapping weapons does nothing after 2 tries where it did before. Give the Magsex some love.
SagaB Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2014.11.27 06:14:00 - [20] - Quote Was there also a delay for switching from remotes to weapon? I swear it feels sluggish pulling out my weapon.


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12312	Posted - 2014.11.27 06:20:00 - [21] - Quote We have a permanent fix for this incoming. The sequence of animation vs delay was bugged and required further server side programming, and we just confirmed the fix today. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Kain Spero Goonfeet 3866	Posted - 2014.11.27 06:43:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We have a permanent fix for this incoming. The sequence of animation vs delay was bugged and required further server side programming, and we just confirmed the fix today. Woot!!! Incoming as deployment this week? Happy Turkey Day indeed. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
General John Ripper 25835	Posted - 2014.11.27 06:51:00 - [23] - Quote I like tacos. Delete Minmatar from the game.
Immortal John Ripper 25840	Posted - 2014.11.27 06:51:00 - [24] - Quote I like tacos. Delete Minmatar from the game.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 239	Posted - 2014.11.27 09:29:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We have a permanent fix for this incoming. The sequence of animation vs delay was bugged and required further server side programming, and we just confirmed the fix today. Thank youuuu! FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
jane stalin Ametat Security Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.11.27 09:46:00 - [26] - Quote Tried this today with a mass driver, at the moment it is easy to shoot someone while cloaked.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3473	Posted - 2014.11.27 10:39:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We have a permanent fix for this incoming. The sequence of animation vs delay was bugged and required further server side programming, and we just confirmed the fix today. I hope you mean, "permanent fix" after community's feedback? :D > Check RND out here
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2350	Posted - 2014.11.28 00:53:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We have a permanent fix for this incoming. The sequence of animation vs delay was bugged and required further server side programming, and we just confirmed the fix today. I knew you peeps were tougher than that damn bug was. Kill it Rattati, stomp it dead! PSN: RationalSpark

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 12389	Posted - 2014.11.28 00:59:00 - [29] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: We have a permanent fix for this incoming. The sequence of animation vs delay was bugged and required further server side programming, and we just confirmed the fix today. I hope you mean, "permanent fix" after community's feedback? :D of course "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6208	Posted - 2014.11.28 01:00:00 - [30] - Quote jane stalin wrote: Tried this today with a mass driver, at the moment it is easy to shoot someone while cloaked. He will probably let us know when the hotfix is deployed. I wouldn't expect to see it without an announcement of some kind. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"



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