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Sev Alcatraz 693	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:28:00 - [1] - Quote crysis couldn't make the cloak balanced Halo couldn't make the cloak balanced Titanfall couldn't make the cloak balanced All company's with more money then ccp You will never balance the cloak, it has ruined this game and you know it, just remove the damn thing and refund the SP The game will immediately become better Disgruntled vet
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 846	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:30:00 - [2] - Quote The cloak is still a problem? Wow... No one does it better than PIE Lasers4life "Gravity released me. Don't ever hold me down."
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1115	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:31:00 - [3] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: crysis couldn't make the cloak balanced Halo couldn't make the cloak balanced Titanfall couldn't make the cloak balanced All company's with more money then ccp You will never balance the cloak, it has ruined this game and you know it, just remove the damn thing and refund the SP The game will immediately become better Cloak is sh*t. Chocolate Juice
White-Lion Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 46	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:33:00 - [4] - Quote Okay then, that would completely throw off the entire E-war system. If you do that, scouts will become completely worthless because not only with the be easily seen, but also easily scanned. Completely defeating the purpose of a scouts 'role' on the battle field. Getting rid of the cloak will just make assault scout more prevalent. How all ads battles end...
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4692	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:43:00 - [5] - Quote It's broken because of how the cloak was made. The animation takes too long to decloak. A balance cloaked is a cloak that let's a player be harder to see, but decloak the instant a shot is fired. That's about it. The rest depends on the game. For example: you could increase profile signature, or reduce speed, or whatever. Cloaks ate balanced by player choice if done right. While cloaked, you may not go on the offensive until you are decloaked. Basically, cloak off means you're attacking or waiting for the item to recharge, and cloak on means you're in defense mode waiting to attack, run away, or hoping the cloak time doesn't deplete. I am a game dev (not for CCP), and that's both my professional and personal opinion. Here's my more personal message: Just because you're bad against cloaked players doesn't mean those players are very good.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4847	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:45:00 - [6] - Quote KZ4 made the cloak work great. it's got it's place. Cloak can be balanced. No to removing content. Scouts deserve to have the cloak. Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 416	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:58:00 - [7] - Quote GTFO! They've already ruined it for the good players which should say to you 'slayers are the people we want' AND I BACKED THE F*CK DOWN.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1116	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:08:00 - [8] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: KZ4 made the cloak work great. it's got it's place. Cloak can be balanced. No to removing content. Scouts deserve to have the cloak. At this point, cloak is counter productive from the "scout" role. Not only are scouts completely defenseless when cloaked but they cannot "scout"/have passive scans. Chocolate Juice
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Top Men. 110	Posted - 2014.11.23 08:15:00 - [9] - Quote Alternatively why not add thermal vision. This way you can see peoples thermal signature just like in the predator movies. Heck you could even see through walls. This way you can see scouts even if they are cloak. This could be given as an equipment to say the assault class.
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 61	Posted - 2014.11.23 08:18:00 - [10] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: KZ4 made the cloak work great. it's got it's place. Cloak can be balanced. No to removing content. Scouts deserve to have the cloak. At this point, cloak is counter productive from the "scout" role. Not only are scouts completely defenseless when cloaked but they cannot "scout"/have passive scans. You have eyes and a mic - use 'em. BAM you're a scout again. Your welcome.

IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 997	Posted - 2014.11.23 08:21:00 - [11] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: KZ4 made the cloak work great. it's got it's place. Cloak can be balanced. No to removing content. Scouts deserve to have the cloak. Nah mate, just remove it. It's a piece of **** that doesn't deserve the effort to balance it, if that were even possible. You've been trying right? No to keeping broken content. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Union118 Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 17	Posted - 2014.11.23 08:59:00 - [12] - Quote White-Lion wrote: Okay then, that would completely throw off the entire E-war system. If you do that, scouts will become completely worthless because not only with the be easily seen, but also easily scanned. Completely defeating the purpose of a scouts 'role' on the battle field. Getting rid of the cloak will just make assault scout more prevalent. You abuse the cloak and make it into a slayer. Your already hard to see without it in cqc. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Operative 1174 Uuali the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 115	Posted - 2014.11.23 09:01:00 - [13] - Quote White-Lion wrote: Okay then, that would completely throw off the entire E-war system. If you do that, scouts will become completely worthless because not only with the be easily seen, but also easily scanned. Completely defeating the purpose of a scouts 'role' on the battle field. Getting rid of the cloak will just make assault scout more prevalent. Say what? Lol. Scout don't need a cloak. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Sinboto Simmons Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 6555	Posted - 2014.11.23 09:37:00 - [14] - Quote Union118 wrote: White-Lion wrote: Okay then, that would completely throw off the entire E-war system. If you do that, scouts will become completely worthless because not only with the be easily seen, but also easily scanned. Completely defeating the purpose of a scouts 'role' on the battle field. Getting rid of the cloak will just make assault scout more prevalent. You abuse the cloak and make it into a slayer. Your already hard to see without it in cqc. Hard to see? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2711	Posted - 2014.11.23 09:56:00 - [15] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: crysis couldn't make the cloak balanced Halo couldn't make the cloak balanced Titanfall couldn't make the cloak balanced All company's with more money then ccp You will never balance the cloak, it has ruined this game and you know it, just remove the damn thing and refund the SP The game will immediately become better I disagree that the Titanfall cloak is unbalanced. It is INCREDIBLY easy to see as a Pilot but invisible for Titans. Yes, a cloaked Pilot can dart across the corner of your screen and you might not notice it but it is not unbalanced as looking straight at them has them being quite noticeable. So it is better against Titan's than human eyes, which is what it was designed for. TF2 has been out 7 years and most of that time has had fairly balanced cloaks. Their model is not based on changing equipment but rather "you cannot fire for 1.5 seconds after decloaking." If CCP went that way with DUST, it would be less of a concern with people taking shots while still invisible. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2565	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:05:00 - [16] - Quote I never had a problem with the cloak before, infact I used to laugh about it. Until yesterday when I was in my dragonfly searching for a proto'ed out Gall Gk.0 and he was carrying a viziam scrambler (yes guys this weapon is back to its nigh on OP levels again) I saw a flash of shimmer in part of the map and I was waiting to confirm the location so I could unleash plasma-cannon death.... well all off a sudden a charged shot / scrambler spam came out of literally nowhere. I died of course but the bit that gets me is that he didn't even decloak until I was dead. As I fell to the floor my killer was revealed. AKA - People can pull out a whole bunch of scrambler shots way before they ever even decloak..... CCP I never had a problem with the cloak before but you have seriously messed up this time. Solution is simple - You cannot increase the time it takes for the cloaker to become visible without adding more delay to the firing penalty. Before it was a case of you decloak as you fire, now the cloak offers what seems like half a second to a second of cloaked engagement time! LMAO LOLCP "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 392	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:21:00 - [17] - Quote They could balance it but the only way to do it is check the dps of scouts, so that players get a chance to fight the cloaker each and every time they engage. A cloak user should never be able to engage someone directly. ever! It is game breaking and will remain this way until scouts are either side arms only or given a healthy damage debuff for fitting the cloak. It isn't even a foreign concept the reason stealth users are restricted to daggers in many games. It gives them lower dps and requires them to be clever in order to kill. Which ever devs they put on scouts are obviously daft, one Ineffectual change after another is a waste of CCPs money, and is constantly leaching into other classes poorly effecting them and the game as a whole. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
The Master Race Immortal Guides 392	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:21:00 - [18] - Quote They could balance it but the only way to do it is check the dps of scouts, so that players get a chance to fight the cloaker each and every time they engage. A cloak user should never be able to engage someone directly. ever! It is game breaking and will remain this way until scouts are either side arms only or given a healthy damage debuff for fitting the cloak. It isn't even a foreign concept the reason stealth users are restricted to daggers in many games. It gives them lower dps and requires them to be clever in order to kill. Which ever devs they put on scouts are obviously daft, one Ineffectual change after another is a waste of CCPs money, and is constantly leaching into other classes poorly effecting them and the game as a whole. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
castba Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:28:00 - [19] - Quote Why not just change the scout CPU/PG bonus to something else? All of a sudden it becomes difficult to fit a cloak and minimise s the cloak + tank fit. "When everything is OP, nothing is" - CCP Ratatti
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 397	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:35:00 - [20] - Quote In my opinion the cloak in this game is cleverly designed. Ok, firing from cloak is a bit messed up. With the delay to decloaking it's now frustrating for both the scout and the target. Obviously people need to not be able to fire until visible. It won't make much difference to the game though. Currently some say cloaks are rubbish, some say they are overpowered. To me this, plus my experience in game, implies they are pretty balanced. Some scouts being a bit overpowered (because really that's all it is), is not because of cloaks. It's no one thing, but more the hp mod, hitbox, speed, regen synergy. This combined with stealth, scans, mobility, versatility and limited counters. There is no one thing that is the problem on its own, but hp stacking spoils the variety of the game my making scouts behave more like mediums and limits build variety, so that's the area I would target for change.

Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 392	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:35:00 - [21] - Quote Furthermore a delay is pointless the state of ewar means it has no effect at all unless the prey happens to turn around completely which will only happen while guarding a point. I mean really you guys need to sit down and have a meeting about getting your **** together ps. please give out a dunce cap accordingly. http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/187/6/d/Dunce_Cap_Mode_by_severinearend.jpg#dunce%20cap%20800x1082 The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
The Master Race Immortal Guides 392	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:35:00 - [22] - Quote Furthermore a delay is pointless the state of ewar means it has no effect at all unless the prey happens to turn around completely which will only happen while guarding a point. I mean really you guys need to sit down and have a meeting about getting your **** together ps. please give out a dunce cap accordingly. http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/187/6/d/Dunce_Cap_Mode_by_severinearend.jpg#dunce%20cap%20800x1082 The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 229	Posted - 2014.11.23 10:48:00 - [23] - Quote EWAR was balanced before the cloak, it was the entire basis for a Scout's strength and nobody called Scouts OP then.
Sev Alcatraz 698	Posted - 2014.11.23 14:11:00 - [24] - Quote I have points into cloaks, I'm not some no SP scrub muffen, what I know is the FUBAR, on a BPO scout I can run a basic cloak and always go positive killing what ever I want whenever I want. People that if I went head to head with in my assault/heavy I would die like nothing. Kill the slayer scout as they did with the slayer logi Disgruntled vet
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1187	Posted - 2014.11.23 14:30:00 - [25] - Quote I actually thought Crysis 3 did the cloak just fine. There was a perk to see footsteps and you had a warning to know when someone was close. Also, the more folks run around the more energy they used. Because of this, folks cloaks became more visible.
Spaceman-Rob Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 624	Posted - 2014.11.23 15:14:00 - [26] - Quote I always said that cloaks were a bad thing for Dust, Dust was much more enjoyable to play without them. I spend most of my time these days completely paranoid of the invisible shot gun scouts. Totally ruins the enjoyment of this game.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2902	Posted - 2014.11.23 15:20:00 - [27] - Quote Luna McDuffing wrote: Alternatively why not add thermal vision. This way you can see peoples thermal signature just like in the predator movies. Heck you could even see through walls. This way you can see scouts even if they are cloak. This could be given as an equipment to say the assault class. 0/10 "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 501	Posted - 2014.11.23 15:37:00 - [28] - Quote White-Lion wrote: Okay then, that would completely throw off the entire E-war system. If you do that, scouts will become completely worthless because not only with the be easily seen, but also easily scanned. Completely defeating the purpose of a scouts 'role' on the battle field. Getting rid of the cloak will just make assault scout more prevalent. LOL My scout is OP without a cloak. If you're not wearing proto, you're doing it wrong.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6126	Posted - 2014.11.23 18:27:00 - [29] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: EWAR was balanced before the cloak, it was the entire basis for a Scout's strength and nobody called Scouts OP then. Because they weren't viable.... People didn't even bother to start skilling into scouts until 1.8 was announced. Before that announcement, scouts were few and far between. By a huge margin. That is not balance. Yes, there are problems surrounding the scout role, but you don't make progress by going back to a previously broken era. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 231	Posted - 2014.11.24 01:46:00 - [30] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Jotun Izalaru wrote: EWAR was balanced before the cloak, it was the entire basis for a Scout's strength and nobody called Scouts OP then. Because they weren't viable.... People didn't even bother to start skilling into scouts until 1.8 was announced. Before that announcement, scouts were few and far between. By a huge margin. That is not balance. Yes, there are problems surrounding the scout role, but you don't make progress by going back to a previously broken era. My point was that EWAR was balanced, though? not scouts as a whole. There were better changes to be made than adding the cloak which, nine months later, still isn't working right. some of us didn't suck at scouting before 1.8 though just sayin'



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