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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5046	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:10:00 - [1] - Quote If it kills as fast as it does now, many feel it is OP. If it does not, many feel it is useless. So here is my question. How would you balance it to keep it relevant? My personal feeling is the shotgun better off if its role is changed to a bit of a longer range, lower damage "slug" type of weapon, with the breach variant taking over the close range "loud assassination" role. It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
Vicious Minotaur 1379	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:11:00 - [2] - Quote Remove it from the game. Replace with rubber chicken. I am a minotaur.
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 846	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:12:00 - [3] - Quote IDK, I think it's balanced. The problem is that there is really no need to proto when militia gets the job done. No one does it better than PIE Lasers4life "Gravity released me. Don't ever hold me down."
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1885	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:13:00 - [4] - Quote Add overheat, after 4 shots Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4847	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:13:00 - [5] - Quote Would use rubber chicken even if it did negative damage to primaries and cost 200 CPU/100PG Signed for replacing Shotgun with Rubber Chicken Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5046	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:14:00 - [6] - Quote I already had rubber chicken fights at my old work place. It.... it gets old. It's my fault FA exists. Direct your rage to me.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6021	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:15:00 - [7] - Quote It's fine as is. People.hate anything that kills them.fast, but they hate it even if it kills them slowly because they feel that the frame they were fighting was strafing too fast(scout). There really is no way to satisfy people who inherently dislike being at a disadvantage in any engagement. It's the reason that Sniper Rifles and CQC weapons are frequently targeted: they dominate their ideal ranges. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4847	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:15:00 - [8] - Quote increase the ROF and decrease damage while increasing clip size to compensate. Instead of only needing very limited windows of successful aiming...make it act more like a high rof/low damage shotgun that will do the same DPS as the shotty we have now..but you'll need to have sustained accuracy. Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 56	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:18:00 - [9] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: increase the ROF and decrease damage while increasing clip size to compensate. Instead of only needing very limited windows of successful aiming...make it act more like a high rof/low damage shotgun that will do the same DPS as the shotty we have now..but you'll need to have sustained accuracy. plz god don't do this. CCP can't do hit detection worth a crap, don't make it so you need to fire more to get a kill, especially against a heavy who can turn around just in time to down you, lol.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6021	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:18:00 - [10] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: My personal feeling is the shotgun better off if its role is changed to a bit of a longer range, lower damage "slug" type of weapon, with the breach variant taking over the close range "loud assassination" role. Breach Weapons are always long range and or high accuracy. So that would not work out. Also, the Shotgun of the Gallente should remain a CQC beast given that CQB is the Gallente specialty. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.

Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1114	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:22:00 - [11] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If it kills as fast as it does now, many feel it is OP. If it does not, many feel it is useless. So here is my question. How would you balance it to keep it relevant? My personal feeling is the shotgun better off if its role is changed to a bit of a longer range, lower damage "slug" type of weapon, with the breach variant taking over the close range "loud assassination" role. The range is fine, I would nerf damage by 25% or reduce Rof by 25%. I think Rof reduction would work best giving enemy time to react. Chocolate Juice
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2095	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:23:00 - [12] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If it kills as fast as it does now, many feel it is OP. If it does not, many feel it is useless. So here is my question. How would you balance it to keep it relevant? My personal feeling is the shotgun better off if its role is changed to a bit of a longer range, lower damage "slug" type of weapon, with the breach variant taking over the close range "loud assassination" role. slightly lower ROF.. so you do the full cocking animation between shots.. even tho the only problem with SG is scouts useing them.. and more so scouts with cloaks useing them. #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4645	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:24:00 - [13] - Quote Increase effective range to 15-20 Decrease RoF drastically and add RR like kick maybe decrease damage. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2095	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:24:00 - [14] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: If it kills as fast as it does now, many feel it is OP. If it does not, many feel it is useless. So here is my question. How would you balance it to keep it relevant? My personal feeling is the shotgun better off if its role is changed to a bit of a longer range, lower damage "slug" type of weapon, with the breach variant taking over the close range "loud assassination" role. The range is fine, I would nerf damage by 25% or reduce Rof by 25%. I think Rof reduction would work best giving enemy time to react. nerf the damage and the clipsize would need an increase too.. try JUST the ROF nerf first. #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4847	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:25:00 - [15] - Quote Jynx'D wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: increase the ROF and decrease damage while increasing clip size to compensate. Instead of only needing very limited windows of successful aiming...make it act more like a high rof/low damage shotgun that will do the same DPS as the shotty we have now..but you'll need to have sustained accuracy. plz god don't do this. CCP can't do hit detection worth a crap, don't make it so you need to fire more to get a kill, especially against a heavy who can turn around just in time to down you, lol. Hey! Then it'd be like every other weapon that's pretty close to balanced but can't be used because hit detection sucks. Founder & CEO Fatal Absolution Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought Strive. No mattter what
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2341	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:40:00 - [16] - Quote I suppose keep the range, damage and rof the same and increase the dispersion. It would force shotgunners to get up close and personal if they needed that instakill. Also, increased dispersion isn't always bad. With three or four wounded enemys in an area it can be just the ticket. Might drive the uptake of higher tier SGs and damage mods. PSN: RationalSpark
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4692	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:46:00 - [17] - Quote Shotgun is balanced already. I would, however, hope the hit detection is fixed, but that goes for every gun in the game. Bad hit detection makes me sad.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 65	Posted - 2014.11.23 05:49:00 - [18] - Quote SG is fine. Assaults should be able to use it too. I noticed the difference from STD/ADV/PRO is almost not practical. 480/504/528 Damage per full shot. 10% increase to DPS while keeping all other weapon properties the same makes the K5 Specialist Shotgun the best overall SG in the game. I think the damage is fine. The true problem is the lack of skill it takes to use a Scout suit. Passive dampening is to easy, and cloak shot glitching is another problem. The weapons are fine in the Light category. Perhaps decreasing SG clip size to 6 would slow down the free kills SG scouts are racking up.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 2126	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:02:00 - [19] - Quote Damn son, it only has 4m optimal! And slow ROF, unless you're 1v1ing, you really don't have an advantage over the guy w/ a rifle. He can engage 2-3 guys quickly, while you have to get in range, and then wait for the gun to cycle to shoot again. Its invisible people appearing from the pit we had smashed then into so long ago to take their revenge on us ASSaults w/ their shotguns and Nova Knifes. I Live for Tears
Mr Machine Guns 931	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:09:00 - [20] - Quote smaller clip or reduced damage

Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 57	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:14:00 - [21] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Jynx'D wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: increase the ROF and decrease damage while increasing clip size to compensate. Instead of only needing very limited windows of successful aiming...make it act more like a high rof/low damage shotgun that will do the same DPS as the shotty we have now..but you'll need to have sustained accuracy. plz god don't do this. CCP can't do hit detection worth a crap, don't make it so you need to fire more to get a kill, especially against a heavy who can turn around just in time to down you, lol. Hey! Then it'd be like every other weapon that's pretty close to balanced but can't be used because hit detection sucks. Be realistic, not idealistic. You know first hand how badly CCP handles such things - so why would you update your game going down a route that will lead to more problems?
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13343	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:20:00 - [22] - Quote Nobody complained before cloaks. I think the answer is clear. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 58	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:30:00 - [23] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Nobody complained before cloaks. I think the answer is clear. How I view cloaks - Heavies call in LAV to get close and make up for suit weaknesses - people find this acceptable. Scouts use cloak to make up for suit weaknesses of lack of direct combat or, should be, but you wouldn't know seeing how much EHP they can stack... - people find this brok- wait a minute. I think I found the problem myself. Oh well, whatever, lol.
Operative 1174 Uuali the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 114	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:32:00 - [24] - Quote I would balance it about two thirds towards the barrel. That thing is weighted too much toward the front. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13343	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:45:00 - [25] - Quote Jynx'D wrote: How I view cloaks - Heavies call in LAV to get close and make up for suit weaknesses - people find this acceptable. People do? Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8184	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:47:00 - [26] - Quote I would balance it by giving it the old dodgeball sound back In all honesty, I think the thing is fine where it's at. Heavies require 3-4 shots to kill on average. Med Frames require 1-2 (Mostly 2 if they are tanked correctly) Light frames require 1-2 (2 Only if they tank like scrubs) IF ANYTHING I would reduce the RoF. However, this would heavily affect the meta towards heavies. Literally the only ways to take down a heavy 1v1 would require 1.) Plasma Cannon 2.) NK to the back 3.) RE 4.) Your OWN heavy Shotgun only really works vs. bad heavies in PC. Any decent heavy will be jumping, turning and spraying HMG all over the place the moment you ping him. Granted, you can normally take him down REALLY LOW but chances are he has a logi with him. In short: Be careful what you do the shotgun. You think heavy spam is bad now? Just wait until RE's get nerfed into oblivion and Shotguns get nerfed. What will you do when 5 heavies show up on your front door then? Nothing. Except pull out your own. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Jynx'D Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 59	Posted - 2014.11.23 06:53:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Jynx'D wrote: How I view cloaks - Heavies call in LAV to get close and make up for suit weaknesses - people find this acceptable. People do? Been going on for nearly 3 years and nothings been done. The only complaint on it I've ever seen is when heavies ONLY use the LAV as a murder taxi for those perfect games - but LAV's are Well, other peoples LAV's a lot squishier then they used to be.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2263	Posted - 2014.11.23 07:11:00 - [28] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: increase the ROF and decrease damage while increasing clip size to compensate. Instead of only needing very limited windows of successful aiming...make it act more like a high rof/low damage shotgun that will do the same DPS as the shotty we have now..but you'll need to have sustained accuracy. Disagree. I run speed Ewar scout and I might only get 1 maybe 2 shots in for the kill. If I miss or have to use multiple shots I am dead. I carry no armor, this would punish speed SG scouts. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 98	Posted - 2014.11.23 09:02:00 - [29] - Quote Reduce damage, shorter range, and slower shooting Bahahaha! Python pilot
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 2229	Posted - 2014.11.23 09:09:00 - [30] - Quote Reduce ROF, increase range. Proof that Rattati/CCP do listen to the playerbase.

IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 997	Posted - 2014.11.23 09:13:00 - [31] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: increase the ROF and decrease damage while increasing clip size to compensate. Instead of only needing very limited windows of successful aiming...make it act more like a high rof/low damage shotgun that will do the same DPS as the shotty we have now..but you'll need to have sustained accuracy. Lol no. We've enough rifles already. Your joking around about using a chicken was a better idea. Shotgun is the same as it always was afaic. No way in hell it's OP - unless you count high alpha damage working in it's niche situation unintended. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3857	Posted - 2014.11.23 09:43:00 - [32] - Quote Better hit detection. Increase effective, optimal, and absolute ranges. Higher RoF. I'm serious. The weapon is bad. Remove cloaks for a week and watch everyone complain about how bad the SG is, was, and will continue to be. Bring it on.
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 136	Posted - 2014.11.23 09:50:00 - [33] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Reduce ROF, increase range.


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