I dont know much about scout warfare, because im mostly a heavy/assault, but if i was, i would probably only use the cloak for crossing open areas and running away from people.

The changes are fine.

Now you have to plan out where and when you need to decloak, along with having to rely on your awareness (you know that thing Scouts say everyone should have?) while cloaked.

It's a perfect tradeoff. You can be invisible, or you can see through walls; but not both. Perhaps your issues come from the fact that you're using the cloak as a Short Ranged WDS as opposed to stealth?

I've been doing fine with the new cloak changes, all it does is make me wait a little extra before I can shoot or knife. It's not that big of a deal. Instead of relying entirely on your wallhack try using your eyes and stick to cover?

The cloak nerf hasn't fixed the shot gun thing at all, they are firing no matter what but what it has done is nerf the scout that depended on it most. I used to run ewar but kbow there is no point in being paper thin for ewar. Back when we had passive scans on cloaks I would run ewar quite a lot because I know that I could be invisible and still hunt down scouts/keep my paperthin body alive. Now, you first have to be paperthin to ewar, then you cant use cloak to hide so what is there left to do? That's right, brick tank.

The problem with the change is that it isn't a delay on Cloak but a delay on switching based on the "pull up" animation. A non-cloaked Scout has just as much trouble swapping to a weapon as a cloaked Scout. The delay could have been written into not allowing you to fire until totally decloaked + x time ala TF2 but CCP went about it in a way that screws some weapons more than others because of their long "pull up" animation (Plasma Cannon, Nova Knife, Uplinks...) but does next to nothing for weapons that are quickly brought to bare (Shotgun).

I don't find the E-War nerf to be too bad. If anything, it has made it more interesting to be a Cloaked Scout. With my fitting, I would sneak into the enemy's staging area, hide behind a wall, and decloak to use my radar. I get a glimpse of where everyone is, and I cloak back up to formulate a plan. It adds some interesting play where I can't see them and they can't see me and isn't just 100% scan. Hasn't been too much of a detriment to me with my Caldari Scout. Not sure if it is different for the other races.

The only thing I run is ewar on a minmatar, it's still easy mode.

The only thing I run is ewar on a minmatar, it's still easy mode.

You should be decloaked well in advance of needing your gun or knives.

When you have literally .5 seconds worth of HP buffer before death, you can't. CCP has killed the scout especially the ones that actually played like scouts. I used to run ewar on paperthin scouts because I could rely on my cloak to do somewhat of a good job protecting me. Now when I turn cloak on, all my ewar mods execpt dampeners are wasted. Scanning range is like 2m, precision is still low but there is no point in precision if you have to be ontop of your enemy just to passively scan them.

CCP dummies buffed Shotgun and nerfed Nova Knifes

Source?

When you have literally .5 seconds worth of HP buffer before death, you can't. CCP has killed the scout especially the ones that actually played like scouts. I used to run ewar on paperthin scouts because I could rely on my cloak to do somewhat of a good job protecting me. Now when I turn cloak on, all my ewar mods execpt dampeners are wasted. Scanning range is like 2m, precision is still low but there is no point in precision if you have to be ontop of your enemy just to passively scan them.

Cloak is utter crap. It has two negatives that make it worse than it should be. First of all, you have no ewar because it makes sense- scout suits should not have ewar. You might as well hire a heavy for passive scans than a scout. With the terrible passive scans right now I it quite annoying running right into a heavy around the corner and then the delay to defend my self.

So you run into heavy
+1 sec delay (most likely will kill my min scout)
+Nova Knife charge up time.
=dead scout.

paperthin min scout+cloak+no ewar at effing all=run into heavy around corner=cloak 1 sec delay... oh wait he killed me before I got a chance to defend my self. Thanks CCP.

Shout gun was OP, cloak nerfed. Therefore Min scout made useless IMO.

Scout skill gives ewar bonus, which is then contradicted by cloak. Total sense was made.

CCP 1: Lets make scouts-scouts and give than ewar bonuses
CCP 2: Oh Ok!!
CCP 1: wait a minute- People complaining shotgun cloak is OP. Shotgun kills before they can react.
CCP 2: Ok, let's nerf the cloak so it makes ewar bonuses obsolete and then make it so they can't fight back until the person has killed them.
Me: ---__----


come at me trolls- scout QQ

How's your KDR lookin' this week, easy mode?

No, I still can easily play as a true scout. Also, why run a damn cloak on a minja? My Calscout just circles the enemy meleeing him till I die or get +50.
Also I use them on my Logi!

You get two shotgun blasts off while cloaked. The delay needs to increase by two seconds.

This is the problem right here.
Scouts shouldn't really care too much bout their KDR. They are supposed to be more of a support class than the ******* alpha dog slayers they are right now.
The only classes that should be rated on their KDR are Assaults, Commandos, and Sentinels. And even then, the Commandos could be rated more on their WP...

The fact is, when all the Slayers are flocking to a support class rather than the class built from the ground up for Slaying, there is a problem.
Same ******* problem we had with logis.

cloak is still OP.. i was just blapped in the face and JUST a fraction of a second as i saw the shotgun projectiles comming at me the scout decloaked.

and the problem is SG can STILL blap while yoru still invisable.. if anything it needs nerfing harder

How's your KDR lookin' this week, easy mode?

Use ewar to positional advantage. Cloak with eyes on prey.
De-cloak. Leap. Attack.

Dead heavy/medium.

Tactics are so hard, though.

Cloak is utter crap. It has two negatives that make it worse than it should be. First of all, you have no ewar because it makes sense- scout suits should not have ewar. You might as well hire a heavy for passive scans than a scout. With the terrible passive scans right now I it quite annoying running right into a heavy around the corner and then the delay to defend my self.

So you run into heavy
+1 sec delay (most likely will kill my min scout)
+Nova Knife charge up time.
=dead scout.

paperthin min scout+cloak+no ewar at effing all=run into heavy around corner=cloak 1 sec delay... oh wait he killed me before I got a chance to defend my self. Thanks CCP.

Shout gun was OP, cloak nerfed. Therefore Min scout made useless IMO.

Scout skill gives ewar bonus, which is then contradicted by cloak. Total sense was made.

CCP 1: Lets make scouts-scouts and give than ewar bonuses
CCP 2: Oh Ok!!
CCP 1: wait a minute- People complaining shotgun cloak is OP. Shotgun kills before they can react.
CCP 2: Ok, let's nerf the cloak so it makes ewar bonuses obsolete and then make it so they can't fight back until the person has killed them.
Me: ---__----


come at me trolls- scout QQ

Scouts are beginning to belong just where they were a long time ago...

Dead, and waiting to respawn.

Stealth in no way belongs into any FPS, or multiplayer game to be specific.

You still forget it's easy to play without cloak, in most cases.

Scouts are beginning to belong just where they were a long time ago...

Dead, and waiting to respawn.

Stealth in no way belongs into any FPS, or multiplayer game to be specific.

You still forget it's easy to play without cloak, in most cases.

You get two shotgun blasts off while cloaked. The delay needs to increase by two seconds.

I've been doing fine with the new cloak changes, all it does is make me wait a little extra before I can shoot or knife. It's not that big of a deal. Instead of relying entirely on your wallhack try using your eyes and stick to cover?

If only writing stupid posts was as hard as you describe you would not have that many likes.

This is the problem right here.
Scouts shouldn't really care too much bout their KDR. They are supposed to be more of a support class than the ******* alpha dog slayers they are right now.
The only classes that should be rated on their KDR are Assaults, Commandos, and Sentinels. And even then, the Commandos could be rated more on their WP...

The fact is, when all the Slayers are flocking to a support class rather than the class built from the ground up for Slaying, there is a problem.
Same ******* problem we had with logis.

Why do you have a Min Scout with no eWar? I mean at least have one precision enhancer. Cloak ain't all that anyways, I'd rather know my enemies than be hidden from my enemies, especially if that thing keeps me from fitting more important things on my Scout.

You think so, yes?

We crazy throw WP at Logis. They've 3x the HP of EWAR Scouts, and they always tend to have HMG Heavies nearby. Low risk; big reward. So how much more bigger of a reward should we pay to squishy EWAR when they perform their proper recon role?

Zero WP, you say!? Craziness.

This is so true, if scout's sole purpose was ewar, they would barley have any wp and be bottom of board while heavies/ assaults doing the dirty work, logis sucking WP and what do scouts get for their role? Jack.

one PE wont even help you pick up a cal/gal scout without a dampener. Since ewar on scouts isn't viable, many of the scouts I used to play with doubled their HP.

I used to run two precision enhancers but I know a lot of people don't like being that squishy. Most of my suits were 198 shield and 87 armor.

Since OP said he ran cloak, I'm assuming he's running shield extenders with no eWar in his highs and probably none in his lows too. The cloak is so consuming on a Min Scout that I feel like modules are the better choices than a closck.

Honestly OP has to make changes it seems to how he wants to fit his Min Scout. Speed, Damped, Range, Precision or Hacker. He can't be all, he can only be a half assed scanner with speed.

Not inly that but he needs to find the flaws in his suit, never attack a heavy unless he has the advantage or has an escape plan.

I knew my Min Scout was fast but super weak, so I didn't look for fights, I waited till they came to me. If I seen too much commotion going on I jumped ship quick.

So OP try a few different fittings for your Min Scout. Are you gonna be Mohammad Ali/Bruce Lee outwit your opponent(s) with speed, fake outs and evasion.
Or are you Mike Tyson? Raw damage, a bit of tanky and headstrong. You come out swinging and swinging hard. You get tired quickly from using all your sources but drop unsuspecting reds. (Dmg mods, shield extenders...pretty much a smaller Min Assault)

Are you a ninja? never heard or seen until the you go for the kill?

Ninja is essentially damped but still a bit fast. Maybe 2 complex damps and a kin kat or just pure stealth. You pick the stragglers, the ones who are without nearby team mates, pretty much you're a hitman(hitwoman).

If cloak was worth a sh*t I would give a sh*t. Too busy busting fools with brick tanked Caldari scout right now. IMO the only thing that made Minmitar viable was cloak and since delay you can't nova knife efficiently which goes directly with the passive scans. Trying to kill someone but you have no clue who is behind you are around and then add in fact that the nova knifing process takes a long time now. Delay+charge w/paperthin scout =death.

Also picking players has been made 700 times harder because as a scout it makes sense you have no situational awareness. You can't tell stragglers from crowds of people.

Ehhh cloaking and Min Scout never worked for me. I was more into speed than anything. If I ran a damp it would only be one. And then I ran one complex shield with two precision. Fast, dumb weak but fun.

But it worked for me haha cause I was used to running away and picking fights. Now not ll the fights went well for me haha but against other scouts I did just fine.

Also eyes, see someone hacking or running alone. Prison shank dat ass.

Even CoD has stealth aspects.

What are you smoking?

Amarr scout- easy to play without cloak
Gallante scout- easy to play without cloak
Caldari scout- easy to play without cloak
Minmatar scout- Super hard to play without cloak.

Anyone who claims that Scouts were fine pre-cleak has serious memory problems.
1.8 delivered too much of a buff, no doubt, but let's not try to rewrite history.