No!

any reason why?

The DPS and accuracy on the ACR are both pretty good. They tear through armor and shields. It is the most bought / highest KDR light rifle in PC (as per last released stats.)

Basically, it's already a very good weapon.

its ranked fairly low in PC actually..
#1 is sentinel+hmg
#2 scout+SG
#3 python+missiles

all proto, and this info was taken from a rattati post about PC suit/weapon use and was maybe.. 2 weeks ago soemthign like that.

and no it dosnt work well vs shields as its damage profile coupled with low damage per bullet sorts that out..

its a false positive about ACR being a "top" weapon because of low fitting reqs.. and scouts useing it because of that+great against armor meanign its good to pick off weakened targets(See: no shields or low shields)

so basically over saturation of scouts+low fitting req gun with good armor damage = a scouts fotm.. a bit like how RR used to be in cqb till the hipfire nerf.

Do you happen to have the link to the original quote? I went looking for it for 45 minutes and couldn't find it and would like to double check my assertion.

The DPS and accuracy on the ACR are both pretty good. They tear through armor and shields. It is the most bought / highest KDR light rifle in PC (as per last released stats.)

Basically, it's already a very good weapon.

Don't bother- considering your exact words were:



(Emphasis mine)

You're still correct- you specifically indicate that of all the racial rifles (which are light weapons), the ACR has the highest kill ratio on PC matches.

RRs, ARs, and ScRs of all varieties are significantly lower on the totem pole... to the point that, IIRC, they aren't even listed. While it is true that shotgun scouts, HMG heavies, and missile Pythons are higher up on the list, none of them are racial rifles.

I would also like to mention that, personally, I consider CRs/ACRs to still be borderline overpowered, considering that proto variants cost less PG than most proto sidearms.

Seriously, an IoP/BP/Magsec/SMG/AScP all cost more grid than the CR/ACR at proto... and in general, actually. 3 PG at STD is not a bad value. But 4 PG at ADV, and freakin' 8 PG at PRO? Yeah, that seems pretty broken to me that a proto light weapon is sucking less PG than most proto sidearms, and is generally sitting at anywhere from 40-60% the PG consumption of almost every other light weapon in the game.

Then of course, there's the scrambler, which is hogging around two and a half to four times as much PG as the CR/ACR... which, IMO, is an indication that the CR needs it's PG requirements to be increased.

if you disregard fitting as that is not the issue here.. you go shoot a proto cal assault with a CR or ACR and you will find you die faster then them.. and will mostlikly die alot against shield tankers.. UNLESS you get the drop on them or catch them with their shields down.

...I brought up the absurdly low fitting in part because the whole "hey, CR/ACR takes less PG than a proto sidearm" thing means you can basically be all "screw you, I have damage mods" with it.

you mean like the amarr proto assault 700 armor damage mods like 30 rep per sec AND a SCR ? yeah...

I don't think you understood me in the slightest, because if you had, you would be thinking less "Amarr Assault+ScR" and more "everybody else".

Literally, you can use a CR/ACR on, say, a scout suit or a logi and have vastly more PG to fill out your fit than any other weapon in the game.

Take, for example, the Amarr Logi. Or even the Amarr Scout for that matter. It's pretty nearly impossible to fit a scrambler to the Amarr Logi and still be able to get anywhere near a useful tank- it demands the use of low-end mods and a minimum of Dropsuit Core Upgrades 5 and Engineering 4. In the case of the Scout suits, at low ends the fitting bonus to cloaks is simply not enough to be able to fit a weapon that draws more PG.

Bringing up a suit that not only has a glut of PG (that is then rapidly consumed by the armor tank and scrambler rifle), but also has a fitting bonus that reduces the PG requirement of light weapons, is a strawman- especially considering that ScR PG requirements are pretty much obscene enough that it requires every bit of PG reduction it can get, and the CR/ACR incidentally gains almost no benefit from PG reduction skills because the PG draw is already so bloody low.



Citation needed on referenced fit.

While I do know that saxonmish has recently published several videos of him rocking an Assault ak.0 with a proto ScR, his fit appears to have 20 hp/second armor rep, damage mods (based on referencing his listed shield value in gameplay), and around 640-650 armor... that's not anywhere near "700 armor...30 rep per sec".

Also, take it from someone who has probably got a greater appreciation of all things Amarrian than you do... loading up on enhanced/complex armor plates on an Amarr suit is somewhere between "bloody idiotic" and "suicidal". And it's not even because you then lack reps.

Maybe I'll give you a cookie if you can figure out why you shouldn't do such things.

http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1307/9526
690.x armor hp, 30 or 31 hp/s, proto damage mod 2x, adv damage mod 1x, flux, smg so yeah.. there you have it.. and i was just like 1 pg off fitting a 3rd complex damage mod.. but swapping for an advanced alot let me slip in a compact nanohive.

#proovedyouwrong

I love the argument here.

The CR is under performing because while it is flat out the mos successful battle rifle, completely unrelated weapons are beating it in usage statistics. Clearly it needs a buff...

Get out.

i heavly use combat rifles and i still feel the assault version seems lacking compared to normal CR.. perhaps another flat dmg buff to ACR? it received a 4% buff IIRC.. so maybe another 4% to 6%?

it is the CLOSE CLOSE version where as cr is more mid range but still decent at close and lacking somewhat at long.. as it should..

so what do you all think about another damage buff to ACR?

Don't bother- considering your exact words were:



(Emphasis mine)

You're still correct- you specifically indicate that of all the racial rifles (which are light weapons), the ACR has the highest kill ratio on PC matches.

RRs, ARs, and ScRs of all varieties are significantly lower on the totem pole... to the point that, IIRC, they aren't even listed. While it is true that shotgun scouts, HMG heavies, and missile Pythons are higher up on the list, none of them are racial rifles.

I would also like to mention that, personally, I consider CRs/ACRs to still be borderline overpowered, considering that proto variants cost less PG than most proto sidearms.

Seriously, an IoP/BP/Magsec/SMG/AScP all cost more grid than the CR/ACR at proto... and in general, actually. 3 PG at STD is not a bad value. But 4 PG at ADV, and freakin' 8 PG at PRO? Yeah, that seems pretty broken to me that a proto light weapon is sucking less PG than most proto sidearms, and is generally sitting at anywhere from 40-60% the PG consumption of almost every other light weapon in the game.

Then of course, there's the scrambler, which is hogging around two and a half to four times as much PG as the CR/ACR... which, IMO, is an indication that the CR needs it's PG requirements to be increased.

Coming from a CR user, yes it does need some more PG required. Because getting the fitting optimization skill makes you end up spending millions of SP on nothing.

But both ACR and CR feel very weak compared to how they used to be, and seem to be consistently outperformed by Scramblers and ARs.