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Clone D
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Posted - 2014.11.18 16:22:00 -
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This thread is dedicated to the potential hidden problem with Apex: future nerfs.
When you commit to an Apex build, you are committing to all of the concomitant gear. What happens when CCP nerfs the gear that you spent $29 on (or grind 100 FW battles for)? The suit may be rendered completely useless due to the diminution of one critical feature.
Thoughts? Is Apex over priced?
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Posted - 2014.11.18 16:50:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Clone D wrote:... when CCP nerfs the gear ... The suit may be rendered completely useless due to the diminution of one critical feature. Can you postulate on how a module ... would make the entire fitting useless?
I am using the term gear to encompass modules, equipment, grenades, weapons and dropsuits.
Hypothetical instance: if I were to purchase the 'Renegade' Commando, and then due to the heated AV vs Vehicles debate, the swarm launchers are rebalanced in hotfix Echo, resulting in a 50 HP dmg nerf per missile, then I may be disappointed in my purchase, due to the nerf, and decide to abandon using the Apex dropsuit in exchange for my own AV build.
My point is that people value different aspects about gear. Maybe one person likes their RE damage. Maybe another likes their triage capabilities. If that aspect about the suit that they bought changes, then they may lose the value of the original purchase, rendering the suit useless to them, because they will build another more favorable fitting.
Not having the ability to swap out dropsuit slot items is the thorn of owning Apex dropsuits. The Apex owner is at the mercy of CCP rebalances. That is one caveat of the inflexibility of Apex.
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Posted - 2014.11.18 17:00:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:This thread is starting to sound like a stealth nerf-whine.
It's always been clear that you don't like me, but there's no need for insults.
The point of this thread is valid. One person might like their Apex gear as a mere collector's item. Another might want Apex for the utility of the fitting. The utility could possibly change for better or for worse, due to rebalances. If the utility changes for the worse, the hard work grinding, or money spent purchasing the suit may be wasted, as the suit is put aside, perhaps never to be equipped again.
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Posted - 2014.11.18 17:22:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:The time/money spent on the APEX dropsuit isn't wasted. It is in the same boat as literally every other player using the weapon/ dropsuit/ modules that was nerfed.
The difference is that on a non Apex suit, the owner can merely say, 'oh what a useless turd this piece of gear is now. I think I'll swap it out with something more relevant.' With an Apex suit, the owner is simply stuck with it. This inflexibility affects the intrinsic value of the suit, especially in an environment as dynamic as Dust, with the recently increased cadence for hotfixes.
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Posted - 2014.11.18 17:31:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Chances are the nerf was needed and you just need to toughen up buttercup.
I am merely bringing this to the discussion table: Change and disappointment are a strong possibility with Apex suits. What people do with that info is up to them. It is a dimension of the purchase consideration.
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Posted - 2014.11.18 21:16:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:Why does the OP not go to the appropriate thread and argues for the changes he wants?
If it's so important to you you should go there. If it's a valid point they might change it again.
Hi, Mad Syringe. I'm not arguing for a change to be made to the Apex dropsuits. I'm simply stating an additional factor that may help people decide whether or not to pursue acquiring one or more of the Apex line of designer battle wear.
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Posted - 2014.11.18 21:42:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:How is that any different from BPO changes or skill changes or anything else? IMO, it's not. You have to trust CCP is acting in the game's best interest, even if that means your precious suit gets a nerf or a buff.
it is different in this way: statistical likelihood that one day your purchase will change from the way that you bought it.
If you like using kincats, and they get nerfed, then you can easily go and replace the kincats on your suits with another more desired module.
Imagine the chance of a particular single item being changed during a rebalance.
Now, let's say that there are 8 different items on an arbitrary Apex suit, including the suit itself (suit bonuses could change).
There will be a much higher chance that at least 1 or more of the 8 Apex suit items will be changed during a rebalance, than the single module in our kincat example.
If the gallente scout bonus is changed, I lost/gained utility for my 'Sever' G-1 suit.
With Apex, if any of x items on the suit are changed, then I lost/gained utility for the entire Apex fitting as one whole unit.
In other words, buying inflexible Apex suits is much much riskier than buying a modifiable BPO dropsuit.
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Posted - 2014.11.18 22:17:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:This is a non-issue for players who know ahead of time that the fitting can't be edited.
To some it is a non-issue.
To others, they are aware that the pricing is such that the buyer pays 3 times more for a proto Apex BPO suit with a much higher risk of changing utility and/or value over time than a standard BPO.
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