First good on you guys for finally coming up with a solution that actually fixes a problem correctly!!! Yay!

But my main point is: Ok so you finally admit it! You f'ed up when you left scouts OP with the currently layout!!!!

Honesltly scouts are able to do TOO MUCH. I can understand versatility, but the more versatility should come at a COST! As they are now, a scout can fit to be a decent logi, a decent assault, a more than decent scout, etc. They have too many role-specific slots!!! Hell you removed the sidearm from some logi's to represent the COST of being a logi! But for scouts you ADDED a slot instead? How dumb is that?

So the point I'm making is that Scouts should either have one less equipment slot or have no sidearm slot.. You can still fit a sidearm in a light weapon slot, but now you only get one weapon instead of two.

Or better yet! Let the players decide which they prefer! On two of the races, (let's say Minmatar and Caldari) you get to have two equipment slots and no sidearm slot. But on the other two races (Amarr and Galente) you get to have the sidearm slot as well as the light weapon slot, but only one equipment slot. The specific races don't matter, but the point is that there is one too many slots on the scout suits as they are now. Please fix it!

Once upon a time, I told CCP Rattati to remove scout's sidearm slot.
He reply me with only one word " NO ".

Every RE you place counts as 4 BW. So if you place 2 REs you have 8 spent. Say you have 16 BW. You can spend 8 more. Any spent after that will cause the first RE placed (I think) to go pop.

Although come to think of it, if you could throw REs REALLy fast, you could throw 5 REs, into a crowd causing the first RE you threw to pop before the 4 second timer on REs has expired and blow them early! o.O MUAHAHAHHAHA

All joking aside, why would it be a problem if scouts can only lay 1 or 2 REs?

Every RE you place counts as 4 BW. So if you place 2 REs you have 8 spent. Say you have 16 BW. You can spend 8 more. Any spent after that will cause the first RE placed (I think) to go pop.

Although come to think of it, if you could throw REs REALLy fast, you could throw 5 REs, into a crowd causing the first RE you threw to pop before the 4 second timer on REs has expired and blow them early! o.O MUAHAHAHHAHA

All joking aside, why would it be a problem if scouts can only lay 1 or 2 REs?

Almost all the gameplayI do is logi. And I think this change will impact me negatively. Please hear me out:

I understand that there are concerns about "equipment spam". By this, im sure they mean when people put down 50 nanohives around a supply depot. But thats not where I get any WP from because I dont do that.

Here is what I do when im playing Dust:

I spawn in, I have to get out and get my uplinks out fast. If its Line Harvest, I got to go and place uplinks on the roofs so that if my team suffers a bunch of setbacks, we have a place outside of the redline that is safe to regroup and relaunch from. It allows a outmatched team to keep trying instead of being redlined and waiting out the clock. If its Fracture Road then I prefer to have one on the pipes, as well as at locations I-7 and C-7. This creates a "flexible front line" and allows a team to reground and encircle an enemy who has the objective in Domination.

I need more that just 1 uplink, and I always place a Remote Mine on my uplink after I plant it as a trap to any shotgun eager scouts. Heck, sometimes when I know my team is about to be driven from an area, ill plant some nanohives with Remote Mines on top as we retreat, knowing that victorious squads get careless sometimes. Ive taken out entire squads with this kind of trickery. Im a player who plays 99% solo, i been playing for almost a year........this is going to curtail my creativity. So far ive been doing well because Ive had the flexibility to. Even LAVs, every time I use one, place some REs on the seat beside me, so if it gets captured I can get revenge on whoever killed me and stole it. Which brings me to my next point:


Proximity mines: Yeah, I use them. I should mention i have mines Lv5. I can slow down, scare, or destroy heavy or light vehicles. This is part of my job. I supply the frontline. In order for me to do that, its preferable if I can prevent an enemy vehicle assault on my teams rear or flank. I cant have the same suit with 3 sets of mines that I have for my 2 sets of uplinks and 1 set of RE. I need two different suits.

Its not "throwing down cheap equipment either". My proto proxymine fit costs something like 70,000SIK. And I dont always get to get away with it either. Sometimes an enemy tank or a scout with an early start catches me.


Plus after all the equipment is down, then what do I do? I no longer have a role. Right now I can take a dropship, land in a hotzone, throw down some triage nanohvives, and then blast off. For player who play in squads, its more feasible to follow someone with a repair tool or revive team mates. I cant always do that. Im always a solo player. When my job is to supply, I need to be able to deliver all these resources on time without compromising the rest of my supply chain. There have been times when im the only logi on a 16 man team. Imagine how much worse it would be with limits. If you want to say that "if you deploy stuff in a logi suit you cant use anything else except a "logistics" suit," then I would accept.



How about before everything gets changed, try a few small hotfixes:

-Prevent equipment from being deployed within a certain radius of a supply depot. A large enough one because the supply depot provides nanites so there is no need for equipment near it.
-Increase the range and radius of flux grenades so that they can be thrown into high places
-Increase the hitbox vertically to 0.3M on equipment so it can be targeted easier (exception: proxy mines)
-Introduce a mass driver that fires flux rounds (ok maybe thats not a hotfix)


Thankyou for considering my concerns.

Stop this... Stop saying that scouts main role in life is to be anti-vehicle... it takes taht role away from the heavies and the assaults and the logis who are supposed to be doing this stuff.

Second no tank should be a solo-able thing!!! Why do you all insist that the lightest dropsuit class in the game should be able to destroy the most heavy vehicle inthe game, BY ITSELF? This makes no logical sense whatsoever. That's like trying to claim that a frigate should have enough guns and firepower to solo kill a dreadnaught in EVE... It's not gonna happen.

Third, you don't just have freaking REs as a scout!!! If you truly wanna go tank hunting in a scout, then ONE RE + proto-AV nades + skilled up PLASMA CANNON or SWARM LAUNCHER still gets you a very decen chance to kill a tank!!! Whining about the RE thing is just plain dumb as you have so many other tools to use in the toolbox!!!!

Dear Players

Based on a lot of feedback, both from CPM, Community and previous CCP designs, one of the things we are able to conjure up is the much wanted Equipment Bandwidth feature.

* We want to fix Equipment spam to increase framerate
* We want Quality over Quantity Equipment gameplay
* We want a solid Logistics progression at using Equipment
* We want Logistics to excel at using Equipment, and other roles less so
* We want Equipment diversity

Now, we want to get your feedback as early as possible, so chime in. But here are some clarifications of intent.

Equipment Limit
The main design is primarily based off of Drones in EVE.

Every dropsuit has a built-in Equipment Controller, which has a certain Bandwidth Capacity (in MHz). That Controller Bandwidth is used to manage deployed Equipment through constant signaling.

Each piece of deployed Equipment has a different Bandwidth Cost (or Usage). Note that all Equipment still has the same current limitations of GÇPdeployed per typeGÇ£.

Obviously Logistics are made for this purpose, and some Logistics more than others.

In the case of deployed Equipment Bandwidth exceeding the Players current Bandwidth, deployed Equipment self-destructs instantly, in the sequence it was deployed. In the attached spreadsheet, we show an example of such a scenario.

This feature will allow proper Logistics to excel at their deployment role, while keeping Assaults & Commandos relatively useful and Scouts will be diminished in capability as they were never meant to be a king of deployables, the additional slot was added for the Cloak Field.

Quality over Quantity
We want players to use the best Equipment they have at their disposal. ThatGÇÖs why Bandwidth will not increase with item tiers. We also have the capability and intent to reduce Scan Profile with tiers, so Advanced and Complex gear is not as easy to scan. However, this also allows us to increase the carried amount, for rapid redeployment. Spawn first Nanohive and Drop Uplink at point A, redeploy to Objective B, spawn second Nanohive and Drop Uplink, and so on. Stay out of trouble and you wonGÇÖt need to switch or restock for quite some time.

Progression
Logistics will have the, by far, the highest Bandwidth, with Caldari and Amarr the highest. We may need to reword or change some of their role bonuses. Bandwith progression will follow the Equipment slot progression so a Logistics player can almost always use their full allotment of deployable Equipment.

Logistics vs other Dropsuits
One of the key aspects of this proposal is that all Equipment is tied to the active Dropsuit of the Player. Switch from a suit with a high Bandwidth to another suit with lower Bandwidth, and the signal is lost. This means that starting as a Logistics dropsuit, throw down as much cheap Equipment as possible, then switch into another Logistics dropsuit at a Supply Depot, repeat and then finally switch into another role, Sentinel, Scout, Assault or Commando, will not be possible anymore.

Diversity
We can now influence players to use more Proximity Mines for example, as Scan Profile will allow them to be hidden from low Precision Vehicle Players, as well as having a lower Bandwidth Cost, allowing more at the same time, without allowing more Uplinks and Nanohives. Extra damage wouldnGÇÖt hurt either.

Now, to the numbers found in this spreadsheet. Please remember that these numbers are placeholders, and are definitely up for debate so form your arguments for changes into clear and concise statements.

Please read the Example as well, it should explain the whole design clearly.

Again, your feedback and input is appreciated.