Second thought: can we have drones pleaseeeeeee, legit question is it possible to implement personal drones?


Overall I like this idea, +1

+1 very good

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We need actual numbers instead of placeholders to identify the problems. The mechanics behind your thinking are great, but we really need the BW data to determine if its fair to all roles. Some of the equipment BW cost is too similar, they need to vary by function and use, as usual uplinks should cost the most BW. Note: cost of the compact is too high.

BW allotment should not scale quite so high IMO. I think all the prototype allotments are TOO high. There needs to be a decision making process on which equipment should go out. Currently at prototype tier there is still the ability to spam all your equipment. Commando and Assault should not have same allotment, progression is stated below in "other frames"

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I think your basic premise is solid. Support players should remain support if they want to leave their "support" oriented deployable on the field, awesome. The progression I see for BW allotment is Sentinel->Scout->Commando->Assault->>Logi. I think 8 deployed items is still a ton of EQ on the field. That is too much and still elicits spam, we need them to make a choice. Should I toss down this repping nanohive, because it will cost me an uplink etc.

There are multiple items in each stack of EQ, so losing an uplink to an important nanohive shouldn't be a problem.

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We absolutely need a UI system to notify the players of their allotment. This allotment should also be shown on the fitting screen (as well as in battle) so we can judge how many of each equipped deployable we can place out.

This is awesome. Keep the stuff coming Rattati!

Will this mean that equipment wont use CPU/PG anymore, or is BW another parameter on top of CPU/PG?

Quality: Then there must be a decrease in high tier equipment prices. Proto equiment, especially nano hives are tremendously expensive both in terms of PG/CPU and isk.

Logis vs other suits/ bandwidth: Be carefull of shoehorning players specced into logis into one single role. If i say deploy with my amarr logi and put down links, get killed, and my buddy's crying for backup. If i choose anything other than an amarr logi, I lose all of the equipment i spent a good deal of time and isk to deploy and put down, and now we look at at redeploying from the redline. Heaven forbid you switch out to a heavy, all the equipment brought dissapears.

Equipment spam isn't cheap equippment being thrown down, its about lots of high tier equipment and suits being switched out at a supply depot.

MUST List bandwidth in fittings screen No point in fitting something i cannot deploy.

I think it is very important to somehow show the bandwidth of current deployed equiment in the "spawn in" screen UI, and also to show "current selected dropsuit bandwidth" in order to be able to compare these two and make the right decision on the battlefield.

Can the Sentinel be given the same band width as an Assault, even though the Sentinel does not have an equipment slot?

In Pub matches were no one is dropping Uplinks, I am sometimes forced to switch to another fit to place some uplinks. Once that is done I spawn in again in my preferred Sentinel fit after dying or finding a Supply Depot.

If the Sentinel has no bandwidth I will be stuck playing a suit that has bandwidth in these situations, because my team needs an uplink or they will be red-lined.

Guys, Ratatti, let me explain what is happening now.

In serious fights we have the following scenario:

1. At the beginning of battle HALF fighters planted in logi.
2. Equipment spam, die or refit to assaults/scouts/etc
3. No logi in a fight.

Equipment Bandwidth did not save us from the problems, scenario would be:

1. At the beginning of battle ALL fighters planted with equipment fit variant.
2. Equipment spam, die or refit to simular Bandwidth suit (battle fit variant).
3. No logi in a fight.


I understand that the current scenario is simple and effective.
Just want to remind you that we wanna play not a Mario style game.

ps...I would like to see how this works with Logi suit / role updates that may be coming up. Bandwidth, equip slots, suit specs, and role/racial bonus all starts to connect in this discussion.

I really think Proxies are going to need a serious looking at after this changeGǪ Pretty rare to see them used right now. When they are in competition with Uplinks and HivesGǪ they will become rare indeed.

My concerns cross is the frustration factor of having bandwidth combined with the personal orbital suggestion Rattati gave. Again, this is a nerf to logis that have a role bonus tied to deployables. Amarr isn't bad in terms of fitting diversity with the additional sidearm, however that's not the case for the Caldari Logi. If anything I would suggest adding a side arm to caldari logis to help improve gameplay experience/variety for being locked into a role in order to maintain your equipment.

Maybe take away from installations or the vehicle cap if they're deployed and just give them stupidly high PG/CPU costs..? I think an anti-personnel drone in/near an objective is a lot more effective than an installation that gets blown up at the start of the match for free points.

Shame we don't have someone so adamant about Assaults and Commandos x3

I am against the idea of bandwidth. Not only does it limit what suits I can use, but it hurts Cal and Amarr logos harder since they focus on deployables.

Why not just decrease uplink spawn count and increase amount carried? This means you can spam them as long as you are constantly deploying them since they'll run out much faster.

no its not.. logi can hardly fit 3/5th proto equipment/moduals where scouts/sents/assaults can easly fit like 90% + proto

what you would be doing is essentially nerfing logi EHP even further then it already is.. and as a min logi being the lowest ehp of them all having like 300+ ehp less then an assault and being stupidly slow because we fit ehp just leaves us to be cannon fodder for anyone adn everyone with MLT or higher gear.. and im sick of it. do you even logi? i doubt it. try being a logi for a year and just see your chosen roll receive nerf after nerf after proxy-nerf... and not recive a single godamned buff at all!

Meaning in a public match where no one is placing Drop Uplinks I canGÇÖt in good contentious play a Sentinel.

Are you going to take away my ability to hack objectives next?

I'm liking what I see thus far. These numbers will have little effect on how I play my roles, I will just need to be more careful when switching to my AV fit to avoid losing a key uplink or remote from my Logi fit. As far as how I play my Logi, the only suit that will be effected is my Sever Uplink Spam fit. The only folks I see QQing so far seem to be equipment spammers. I need to run some more numbers, but so far so good.


If this is the case, what is to stop a player from switching between all four Logi suits to spam gear? Is this limit suit based, or player based? If it is suit based, then I could still spam all the live long day if I wanted to.


Question for Rattati, do we have evidence that limiting the spam will actually increase frame rate and overall game performance?

I understand that this is the,entire point, i'm just explaining why i believe its a bad point to make.

To me, its akin to either deleting every fit in my inventory to run unplinks and hives, or deleteing all my uplinks and hives suits to run the other fits in my inventory.

Cross your a Logi, i invite you and everyone else who are so inclined to play test it in Faction Warefare. Bring out your equipment, and every time you want to change suit types, put down equipment , or respawn in different type go back and shoot each and every uplink and hive you put down. Great tactical value i'm sure.

I can imagine the coms now

"why don't we have uplinks at the point? Did you spawn in a heavy"

"sorry dude they were rushing the point so i ju-"

"Never mind! Jesus, okay regroup at the redline. Next time just stay in you amarr logi suit. One more thing"

"what?"

"dont drop nano hives again. Just come back in with a rep tool and an injector, don't bother with anything else;"



Sounds like fun....at least i can always fall back on being pilot....oh wait.

With that said, I think that the current Logistics bonuses need some rework, or other modifications to not hamper Amaar and Caldari too much.

At first i thought this would be bad, read it and its genius. Assaults can carry 1 nano hive and resupply themselves and logis can drop a bunch. But does this stop people from having 6 nano hives on 3 suits and placing 18 down?

I guess I'm still unclear as to how this works.

If you are saying it is Dropsuit based, then it's bandwidth per dropsuit? As in, Spawn Amarr logi, spam uplinks, then spawn Cal Logi and spam hives because I have another 24 BW? This is how it all works now.

Or is it bandwidth per person, no matter what race or dropsuit you spawn? As in I spawn Amarr Logi, spam uplinks, then spawn in Cal Logi and spam hives, but all my Amarr Logi uplinks pop. I'm thinking this is how it will work, which is awesome.