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xavier zor
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.17 11:06:00 -
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Obviously not logi, and the commando is a viable option. Scouts ar-should be used for scouting and not as much slaying. For me i think the assault class should be the slayer class, even though heavies reign supreme in every way apart from speed/eWar
as it stands now, scouts seem to be the better slayer class
Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
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WARxion ForDUST
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
130
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Posted - 2014.11.17 11:09:00 -
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Assaults are very-very good at the moment. Especially the Amarr. Scouts are only OP with the shotgun, they fit their role very well otherwise. Heavies are not OP in any way. They are GOOD with an Burst HMG at close range (20m max). DUST were never this balanced before. Commandos are cool too (I love the Caldari and Minmatar)
Yes, I'm that desperate...
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1767
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Posted - 2014.11.17 11:11:00 -
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Attacking: Assaults.
Defending: Sentinels.
I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet.
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BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna
Dark Taboo
3349
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Posted - 2014.11.17 11:17:00 -
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WARxion ForDUST wrote:Assaults are very-very good at the moment. Especially the Amarr. Scouts are only OP with the shotgun, they fit their role very well otherwise. Heavies are not OP in any way. They are GOOD with an Burst HMG at close range (20m max). DUST were never this balanced before. Commandos are cool too (I love the Caldari and Minmatar)
Yeah you definitely use a heavy not an assault 
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
1124
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Posted - 2014.11.17 11:22:00 -
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1.) Assaults should be the best a simply killing. Geared for pretty much nothing else. Excels in 1v1s.
2.) Commandos should be more versatile killers. Not quite as good at infantry vs infantry brawly combat as Assaults are, but they can pull out a swarm at any time so...
3.) Sentinels should be defensive slayers. Still very deadly in their element, but more geared at a specific kind of combat than Assaults are.
4.) Scouts. Shouldn't be the front line fighters they have been lately. Their main role should be information gathering and sabotage. They should be opportunistic killers, picking off crippled enemies. Not the ambush predators we have now. Simply getting the drop on someone should not reward a kill, especially when getting the drop is so easy in a scout suit.
5.) Logis. They should be the worst combat suits. Still able to kill, but they should be focused on 1v1s
Please, make my Opus pretty...
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3550
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Posted - 2014.11.17 11:39:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:1.) Assaults should be the best a simply killing. Geared for pretty much nothing else. Excels in 1v1s.
2.) Commandos should be more versatile killers. Not quite as good at infantry vs infantry brawly combat as Assaults are, but they can pull out a swarm at any time so...
3.) Sentinels should be defensive slayers. Still very deadly in their element, but more geared at a specific kind of combat than Assaults are.
4.) Scouts. Shouldn't be the front line fighters they have been lately. Their main role should be information gathering and sabotage. They should be opportunistic killers, picking off crippled enemies. Not the ambush predators we have now. Simply getting the drop on someone should not reward a kill, especially when getting the drop is so easy in a scout suit.
5.) Logis. They should be the worst combat suits. Still able to kill, but they should be focused on 1v1s
^^ Pretty much
Although it should be pointed out, Assault ought to make the majority (40% by itself) of your force and as such should be the most versatile on a suit by suit basis.
An Assault should be able to fulfill the role of all other suits (albeit not as well), allowing your Assault teams to adapt to evolving threats.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
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BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna
Dark Taboo
3349
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Posted - 2014.11.17 11:42:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:1.) Assaults should be the best a simply killing. Geared for pretty much nothing else. Excels in 1v1s.
2.) Commandos should be more versatile killers. Not quite as good at infantry vs infantry brawly combat as Assaults are, but they can pull out a swarm at any time so...
3.) Sentinels should be defensive slayers. Still very deadly in their element, but more geared at a specific kind of combat than Assaults are.
4.) Scouts. Shouldn't be the front line fighters they have been lately. Their main role should be information gathering and sabotage. They should be opportunistic killers, picking off crippled enemies. Not the ambush predators we have now. Simply getting the drop on someone should not reward a kill, especially when getting the drop is so easy in a scout suit.
5.) Logis. They should be the worst combat suits. Still able to kill, but they should be focused on 1v1s
^^ Pretty much Although it should be pointed out, Assault ought to make the majority (40% by itself) of your force and as such should be the most versatile on a suit by suit basis. An Assault should be able to fulfill the role of all other suits (albeit not as well), allowing your Assault teams to adapt to evolving threats.
Assaults where somewhat like your description in beta, until the lost a ton of hp and their eq slots. Oh assault vk how I miss you so.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp .
1425
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Posted - 2014.11.17 12:25:00 -
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I think Logistics should have better survivability skills , they are often the first target but are the easiest kill by far out of all roles no matter how you stack the HP's .
The are just basic medium suits with the ability to carry equipment .
I know this has nothing to do with the topic but needed to be said .
On topic , Assaults should be the best slayer but there not .
Scouts outclass them by far and e-war readjusting is not the answer because that's not all the Assault is lacking .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3809
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Posted - 2014.11.17 12:48:00 -
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Tank |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
5071
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Posted - 2014.11.17 12:51:00 -
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There should not be a clear winner in the best killer category.
This is a colossal failure point of comprehension.
One thing being better than all comers as the killer class removes the need for alternate killer classes.
Right now the only one that is not a killer class is the logi.
But the assault and commando are being sharply outclassed because of inherent advantages combined with map design.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Cavani1EE7
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
507
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Posted - 2014.11.17 13:02:00 -
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Scouts cuz' CCP said so.
Take a bow
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Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
296
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Posted - 2014.11.17 13:38:00 -
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WARxion ForDUST wrote:Heavies are not OP in any way.
If you say so. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
4855
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Posted - 2014.11.17 13:41:00 -
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WARxion ForDUST wrote:Heavies are not OP in any way. "Heavies"? You mean commandos? Well, no, they are in the same boat as assaults right now. Or did you mean "sentinels"?... no, you couldn't have meant sentinels
My advice to you, playa...
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Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
296
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Posted - 2014.11.17 13:47:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Simply getting the drop on someone should not reward a kill, especially when getting the drop is so easy in a scout suit.
Nonsense.
You get the drop on a Scout, Scout should die far more frequently than not.
Scout gets the drop on you, you should die far more frequently than not.
Not saying that Scouts are currently balanced, but the above is more reasonable a design goal than me killing Scouts should be cake, but Scouts killing me should be hard. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
2009
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Posted - 2014.11.17 13:55:00 -
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Up close: heavy
At range: assault |
Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2570
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:14:00 -
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Depends on the situation. You can't account for everything and say [x] is the best. Suits and weapons have advantages and disadvantages in different scenarios.
Dust is there! I was real!
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WARxion ForDUST
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
131
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:15:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:WARxion ForDUST wrote:Assaults are very-very good at the moment. Especially the Amarr. Scouts are only OP with the shotgun, they fit their role very well otherwise. Heavies are not OP in any way. They are GOOD with an Burst HMG at close range (20m max). DUST were never this balanced before. Commandos are cool too (I love the Caldari and Minmatar) Yeah you definitely use a heavy not an assault
No, I use Amarr Assault mostly. Or Caldari Commando.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5968
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:29:00 -
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There should be no class that is sole slayers. All classes are competitive in getting high amounts of kills. It depends on you as a player to dictate how you will perform.
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jhon hartigan
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
397
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:30:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Up close: heavy
At range: assault
No! I'm a gal assault, I m a cqc fighter! Race dictates your range, not role. |
Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
305
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:32:00 -
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We need to have two racial battle royals 1st with commandos and 2nd with assaults the winners of each face each other the winner is the slayer class and the loser must biomass the toon.
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15104
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:39:00 -
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LAV
Never forget
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5879
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:06:00 -
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Assaults are the best slayers while in a squad.
I've returned back to the forums after a week and 3 respecs (i tried out pretty much everything)
I can say this with 100% security.
My amarr assault is the best proof.
Want to be a slayer?
Play solo? Scout
Play with squad? Assault.
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Jack McReady
Dust University
Ivy League
1638
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:08:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Assaults are the best slayers while in a squad.
I've returned back to the forums after a week and 3 respecs (i tried out pretty much everything)
I can say this with 100% security.
My amarr assault is the best proof.
Want to be a slayer?
Play solo? Scout
Play with squad? Assault.
damped scout runs up to squad, squad does not see scout. scout tosses RE...
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7944
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:18:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Attacking: Assaults.
Defending: Sentinels.
Either: Commando
Assault Support: Scout
Defense Support: Logi
Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in!
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Kayla Michael
Tactical Logistics and Cargo
Northern Associates.
18
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:18:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:Obviously not logi, and the commando is a viable option. Scouts ar-should be used for scouting and not as much slaying. For me i think the assault class should be the slayer class, even though heavies reign supreme in every way apart from speed/eWar
as it stands now, scouts seem to be the better slayer class
I totally agree, THOUGH one guy kept jabbing me to death with Ishokone Nova Knifes (however that is spelled) And he used a medium fit. Acted just like a scout, he made me mad, always died from him. Had to get out my Quafe Pink Gorilla. `~`
He was using a Minmatar fit btw, the all white one. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
2012
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:32:00 -
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jhon hartigan wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Up close: heavy
At range: assault No! I'm a gal assault, I m a cqc fighter! Race dictates your range, not role.
Role dictates 'general range'. E.g. assault is designated as a mid to long range combatant.
Then race dictates 'specific range'. E.g. gal assault is designated as a 20-40m specialist. |
Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
275
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:44:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Assaults are the best slayers while in a squad.
I've returned back to the forums after a week and 3 respecs (i tried out pretty much everything)
I can say this with 100% security.
My amarr assault is the best proof.
Want to be a slayer?
Play solo? Scout
Play with squad? Assault.
Listen to your elders ^^^ he speaks wisdom
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5883
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:47:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Assaults are the best slayers while in a squad.
I've returned back to the forums after a week and 3 respecs (i tried out pretty much everything)
I can say this with 100% security.
My amarr assault is the best proof.
Want to be a slayer?
Play solo? Scout
Play with squad? Assault. damped scout runs up to squad, squad does not see scout. scout abuses jump momentum to throw RE right into squad... I guess you know what happens next but yeah, assault is good if you can fight on your terms. problem is that you can rarely select the terms of engagement in an assault suit, even in a squad.
OR!..
OR!
Vs people who know what they are doing=
damped scout runs up to squad, squad sees scout. THE END.
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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John ShepardIII
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1071
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:48:00 -
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jhon hartigan wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Up close: heavy
At range: assault No! I'm a gal assault, I m a cqc fighter! Race dictates your range, not role.
Min assault is better at CQC because of strafe speed
The True Shepard
Lvl 1 Forum Warrior
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1775
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:28:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Jack McReady wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Assaults are the best slayers while in a squad.
I've returned back to the forums after a week and 3 respecs (i tried out pretty much everything)
I can say this with 100% security.
My amarr assault is the best proof.
Want to be a slayer?
Play solo? Scout
Play with squad? Assault. damped scout runs up to squad, squad does not see scout. scout abuses jump momentum to throw RE right into squad... I guess you know what happens next but yeah, assault is good if you can fight on your terms. problem is that you can rarely select the terms of engagement in an assault suit, even in a squad. OR!.. OR! Vs people who know what they are doing= damped scout runs up to squad, squad sees scout. THE END.
OR! hit detection goes screwy and/or otherwise none of the squads bullets can kill the scout until after he throws the RE and then some dipsh!t blueberry detonates it sending himself and the squad flying through the roof. *mother godda .............*
Kills:21, Deaths:5, KDR: time for a smoke.
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Jack McReady
Dust University
Ivy League
1638
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:37:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Jack McReady wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Assaults are the best slayers while in a squad.
I've returned back to the forums after a week and 3 respecs (i tried out pretty much everything)
I can say this with 100% security.
My amarr assault is the best proof.
Want to be a slayer?
Play solo? Scout
Play with squad? Assault. damped scout runs up to squad, squad does not see scout. scout abuses jump momentum to throw RE right into squad... I guess you know what happens next but yeah, assault is good if you can fight on your terms. problem is that you can rarely select the terms of engagement in an assault suit, even in a squad. OR!.. OR! Vs people who know what they are doing= damped scout runs up to squad, squad sees scout. THE END.
wrong, he wont see the scout
dedicated damp suits have better BASE scan profile than dedicated suits have BASE scan precision
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damps are stronger than precision enhancers
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sir RAVEN WING
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
300
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:37:00 -
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Galsaults should be med-short range attackers which they are currently not.
Calsaults need to be Long- Med range attackers, but they are not even attackers right now (RR charge!)
Minsaults need to be hit and run tactics, but short range is close enough
Amaults should be the more versatile attackers, but not completely OP at all ranges.
Scouts need to be recon
Sentinels should be defenders (solution? move extremely slow while firing a HMG)
Commandos should have a bit of freedom...
Logis are just fine now, maybe a tad bit more HP and they are balanced
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Love your state for it protects you
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Midas Fool
Prophets of the Velocirapture
527
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:55:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Attacking: Assaults.
Defending: Sentinels. Either: Commando Assault Support: Scout Defense Support: Logi
This makes the most sense.
Assaults are great slayers. HP increase and slot increase was the perfect fix. Only fix needed now is Cal/RR charge time. Do the Gallente like their bonus? Min/Amarr are awesome right now, goes without saying.
I like Commandos for shock, like jumping out of dropships, although they can fulfill defensive roles. I think that Commandos and Assaults should be basically interchangeable (mobility vs presence), which they are pretty close to now. I feel like Commandos need one more slot at every level, in order to use biotics to greater effect.
Sentinels are fine. I think increasing Mass Driver direct damage slightly might alleviate some problems.
Logis need just a bit more health...maybe ~50hp to their dominant tank pool? Definitely not another slot.
Scouts are also fine. Annoying meta, sure, but remotes are the real problem (blast radius or arm time IMO).
I just realized that this iteration is the most balanced the game has ever been. I hope we get to see Pilots.
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John ShepardIII
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1073
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:58:00 -
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The assaults should be the best slayers
Scouts flank
Sentinels defend
Commandos camp with swarms
Assaults- good balance of speed and HP to slay
The True Shepard
Lvl 1 Forum Warrior
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
1291
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:59:00 -
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Non should be, we need to step away from a kdr role
Original Commando, before all you posers just saying
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John ShepardIII
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1073
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Posted - 2014.11.17 18:04:00 -
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Or
Assault kills: logi,scouts(if you play smart), commandos(up close), sentinels (at range)
Scouts kill: all by flanking
Logis: die
Sentinels kill: all up close
Commandos: kill all camping
All slay but the best slayer suit depends on your play style
The True Shepard
Lvl 1 Forum Warrior
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
uptown456
138
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Posted - 2014.11.17 20:16:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Galsaults should be med-short range attackers which they are currently not.
Calsaults need to be Long- Med range attackers, but they are not even attackers right now (RR charge!)
Minsaults need to be hit and run tactics, but short range is close enough
Amaults should be the more versatile attackers, but not completely OP at all ranges.
Scouts need to be recon
Sentinels should be defenders (solution? move extremely slow while firing a HMG)
Commandos should have a bit of freedom...
Logis are just fine now, maybe a tad bit more HP and they are balanced
Got to ask you now: What is recon to you?
Explanation for question:
- Active scanners thrive in logis especially Gal. Most equipment= bonus for logis.
- Everyone wants a marksman instead of a sniper and continue to QQ until said sniper is within range of 90% of guns in this game (I know some can pull it off but still that's a marksman, not a sniper) Note: TAR, ScR, maybe others(?), are what the marksman weapons are supposed to be. Though there's always a disagreement which I welcome if it comes with explanation and common sense. Look at signature and you'll see one of the simple reasons it was brought up.
- Passive scans are PERSONAL and if you have no mic then there's no way to inform squad members or all team members(team chat which I rarely see used)
- All weapons kill and it's rightfully mainly used as a signature scout weapon along with the nk and pistol side arms (sort of iffy about smgs), the shotgun, which should be deadly within 10 meters and extra potent with flanking maneuvers coupled with speed and stealth ( whatever ratio be full damps, full speed, or half and half, etc.).
Personal opinion of mine but I think precision mods be JUST under damp excluding the amarr bonus(?) (forgot who has the bonus) but also maybe the proto focused active scanner. I'm still iffy since i've seen the scannerinas and know of the cycle trick but still think for damp purposes you should bypass even that scanner with whatever the number is now which I believe is (im proto both so just base on that) Gal 5, damp 5, and 2 comp mods maybe 3.
Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder
Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
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