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Funkmaster Whale
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Posted - 2014.11.16 21:38:00 -
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Hey guys. Long time vet here and recently installed again to feel out the 1.9 hype. I've been having quite a bit of fun playing again. Been seein some familiar faces here and there but man are there a lot of Hispanic corps/players nowadays. 
Anyways, on to the point. I've been playing Scout since 1.8 (I know, I'm cancer, scum, etc.) because of how ludicrously overpowered EWAR and cloaks became and I just want to say that this cloak delay has done all but nothing to defer from Scout supremacy. All that's really been done is made the cloak feel incredibly clunky and simply feel less responsive. The change has hardly altered its effectiveness on the battlefield.
What it seems like to me is CCP trying to treat the symptoms of the problem and not the actual problem itself. I play my Scout like an Assault suit because it does everything that my Assault suit should do but better. The Scout has more stamina, speed, regen, extra equipment, better scan stats and most importantly jumps higher all traded for a marginal amount of EHP. I'm here to try to help CCP realize that fudging around with the Cloak isn't what's going to put Scouts back in line. I regularly have Skirmishi/Domination matches where I can rack up 20+ kills without dying because of one simple principle: first shot advantage.
In any FPS game and even in real life there comes a distinct and very powerful advantage to being the first one to shoot. It's fairly obvious that being able to pump someone full of lead before they've seen you is going to automatically put odds in your favor. Those miliseconds between getting shot and adequately responding decides the fate of any encounter, and the problem here is that as a Scout I almost ALWAYS have the first shot advantage. When you factor in that Scouts have no drawback to using high-alpha damage weapons like the Shotgun or Combat Rifle it's no stretch of the imagination to see everyone as either a Scout or Heavy. You either play to not be seen or play as a bullet sponge that has enough time to respond. That extra EHP as an Assault means jack all when you've been shot in the back and killed before you can turn to respond.
So how do they try to fix it? They add a negligible and clunky delay between when a Scout can come out of stealth and blast you in the back. The result? Take a minute to adjust to the delay and continue to dominate the battlefield.
I've created threads about this in the past, and at this point I don't really know how to adequately point out how silly it is in a first-person shooter to have a constant feed of exact enemy positions around you while simultaneously being invisible to everyone but other Scouts and the occasional Active Scanner. The unfortunate thing is that CCP has no plans to change the dynamics of EWAR which effectively means that we're stuck with this broken system.
Inadvertently people seek ways to balance around the scan mechanics but the problem of a Scout with a Shotgun seeing your exact position if you're anything but a Scout will remain unless something is done about the way passive scans work. They're simply TOO GOOD. There is almost no drawback to passive scans. They provide a constant tactical feed of who's around you not only on your radar but on your god damn SCREEN. Active scanners were the same way for the longest time until they suffered a huge nerf, and what happened? Passive scans all but took over. Who wouldn't want little red chevrons to appear over all your enemies heads the second they get in range regardless if they're behind a wall?
I don't really know how it can be fixed at this point besides completely removing the chevrons that appear on your screen with passive scans. The active scanner is fine the way it is because it has a long list of drawbacks. Passive scans have no cooldown, no duration, and work seamlessly.
Anyways, I have very little faith in this game anymore as it is but I just wanted to do my best to point out why things are the way they are.
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Funkmaster Whale
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Posted - 2014.11.16 23:01:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Funk I need a way to reach you out of game about GIMX.
Got an email or something?
I'll send you a mail in game when I get home from work.
I don't use GIMX though so not sure what expertise I could provide 
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Posted - 2014.11.16 23:18:00 -
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Minmatar Mercenary 9292 wrote:As a dedicated assault player I do agree with you, but I also don't want to go back to the days when running a scout suit was pointless as EWAR was crap and mediums ruled. I still don't understand what CCPs intended role for the scout is, nor do I think most scouts would actually be happy with a class that isn't actually combat orientated because this is exactly why it is run by most people over the assault suit for the reasons you pointed out.
No one wants to be the invisible guy moving quickly around the map dropping uplinks and keeping the points flipping ( even though that wins games), you need to be the guy that is invisible who can not only see everyone, but even the direction they are facing on the radar, which is ridiculous and IMO the main factor in what makes it way to easy to be the one starting the engagement (or be the clown who runs in cloaked to shotgun 1 guy in the back before getting demolished by the rest of his squad).
How exactly can you stop the insane situational awareness without ruining the scout class and making it pointless again? I honestly don't know, EWAR is there thing, the only thing I can think of is reducing there base precision/range without affecting there dampening. This way they stay invisible to other frames but lack the ability to both tank and easily prey upon anything that isn't a scout.
Just my thoughts
Yeah I really thought about this too which is why I don't even know what to suggest to alleviate the issue. 1.8 was necessary to revitalize Scouts, but it went heaps too far and now the struggle is trying to find out how much we need to dial back to put them in line.
To me, the only way I would even conceivably switch back to Assault full-time (which is what I'm dying to do) would be if I could somehow run it without getting picked up by Shotgun Scouts. Assaults have almost no capability to run effective EWAR without making massive sacrifices and when that happens you're pretty much a gimpy Scout.
If Assaults had an across the board profile reduction down to like 40 dB such that running a complex damp or two would actually suffice to hide from Scouts I think that would be a huge step in the right direction. Right now EWAR is too powerful and too exclusive to Scouts.
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