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Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
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Posted - 2014.11.16 18:12:00 -
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White-Lion wrote:Some words
Fun thought experiment: Why are swarms virtually never used in PC. |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
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Posted - 2014.11.16 18:58:00 -
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White-Lion wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:White-Lion wrote:Some words Fun thought experiment: Why are swarms virtually never used in PC. Have you ever been in PC before? They are used with MinMandos as an over watch on an objective .
I've seen a grand total of one commando in PC in the past couple of months, and Im pretty sure he was an idiot because he was wandering around in the open not paying attention. |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
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Posted - 2014.11.16 19:02:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:White-Lion wrote:Some words Fun thought experiment: Why are swarms virtually never used in PC. Because damage stacked rail tanks and tower forges take up most AV slots.
Correct, and now: why is that? Do you guys think its because swarms are just so OP that no one would dare use them because they would just have to kill themselves afterward?
Or maybe its because swarms suck ass compared to forge guns and rail tanks?
In fact even forge guns have alot of trouble killing well fit tanks/ADS with a halfway competent pilot. Your aim is just to take the heat off infantry, and theres really nothing else you can do unless the enemy vehicle pilots **** up.
What Im trying to say here is AV sucks ass, and if you're honestly complaining about AV like its worth anything, you need to apply a little thought to how you use your vehicles, because its REALLY easy to avoid being killed. |
Vesta Opalus
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Posted - 2014.11.16 19:16:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:White-Lion wrote:Some words Fun thought experiment: Why are swarms virtually never used in PC. Wow, that is the biggest load of crap I ever heard.
Its my experience in PC, sorry buddy.
I'd love to see some actual usage stats from CCP.
In general I find PLC to be virtually useless, swarms to be a minor deterrent, and forge guns to be a major deterrent. The only viable anti vehicle is running a vehicle yourself.
Maybe its just that I have a different definition of AV. I want AV to actually be able to kill a vehicle even if its pilot isnt a ******. |
Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.11.16 19:27:00 -
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White-Lion wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
Swarms actually are insanely powerful with effortless damage application, but PC is mostly about infantry holding points. You put on the bare minimum AV, and use AV that can also fight infantry
Thats it
exactly, but commandos can play both the role of AV and overwatch, leaving an opens Slot since you don't have one person for each role, squads can run a better ground team with that extra person.
Well, Ive suggested that kind of thing in my corp before, but we havent done anything like that. And Ive never seen it happen.
Ill take your word for it though.
I still think swarms are pretty ****, and I think the fact that the only viable swarm platform that everyone points to being one specific suit with some pretty crazy bonuses is not a contradiction that swarms suck, its a confirmation.
We never talk about some specific heavy to run forge guns with, or some special scout that makes the shotgun rule. These weapons are largely the same over all suits, and they are all good. The only thing thats even remotely similar are some of the rifle weapons (combat rifle/scrambler especially) which are slightly better on their races' assault suit, but they are still GOOD weapons on every other suit. I dont think the swarm launcher is like that, its just bad, and one specific suit with massive reload and damage bonuses makes it usable. |
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