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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:36:00 -
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@Vestpa - I used to be the Swarmer in your PCs before I left, though I would stay in the city and on the side as opposed the sitting on overwatch at the high-ground (high-ground and Swarms don't mix).
White-Lion wrote:Either way, I still think swarms are highly unbalanced against armor vehicles to the point that it almost makes them useless. I don't want swarms to be nerfed in to the ground, but I think some rebalancing is needed.
Which is akin to saying Scrambler Rifles are highly unbalanced against Minmatar Assaults.
Given how Swarm Launchers are designed to be extremely effective against Armor (+20% Armor Damage) yet weak against Shields (-20% Shield Damage), your options are:
1. Accept the fact that Swarms will be extremely effective against you.
2. Stop operating Armored Vehicles
3. Stop operating Vehicles
You aren't entitled to have an Armored hull that isn't weak against Swarms in the same sense that I'm not entitled to an Explosive SL that's effective against Shields.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.23 05:36:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:That would be a partly fair argument if we had a full suite of AV weapons, instead of the vast majority being anti armor
No, it's still a fair (and correct) argument. Armored Vehicles (nor anything Armored) aren't supposed to be effective against Anti-Armor weapons. We could have 50 Anti-Armor AV weapons and that wouldn't change.
DUST Fiend wrote:That also doesn't address swarms being TOO effective vs Armor
They're Explosive, which is the highest Anti-Armor profile in this game. Given how they're also extremely weak against Shields, their extreme efficiency against Armor is warranted.
If you feel that their efficiency against Armor needs to be reduced, than their inefficiency against Shields needs to be reduced as well. Otherwise Swarms would become worthless against Shields & Armor.
Not that you wouldn't want that, or that such a proposition would be passed.
DUST Fiend wrote:I dont expect you of all people to acknowledge an imbalance that works in your favor, particularly against vehicles, considering your answer is "stop using vehicles". You're notorious for not understanding vehicles, but happily chiming in to get them nerfed at every turn
The "stop using vehicles" option wasn't my only answer, but given how the OP seems to be incapable of comprehending the concept of Damage Profiles that may be necessary if he can't select the first two.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.12.04 03:08:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I've got Min Mando 5, Swarms Prof 5 and Reload 5.
You have to be a pretty big homer to not think swarms are OP against dropships. With 2 damage modd you can solo most pub match ADS pilots pretty easily. If there is ANYBODY else with AV of any type out its devastating to any vehicle and any pilot.
Or someone who knows what they're talking about.
Any ADS that's piloted with even the slightest lick of comment sense can escape 175m in a period of 5.37s, which is how long it takes to fire 3 volleys (and that's w/o travel time, mind you).
Though given how most Pilots who restrict themselves to Public Contracts are terrible, I do believe your statement. It means absolutely nothing and isn't a justification for anything, but I believe you.
I see no problems with two experienced AVers being "devastating to any vehicle and any pilot".
Thor Odinson42 wrote:AV is very overpowered vs vehicles but I don't believe pubs can handle strong vehicles. As much as I loathe the scout meta currently, the blaster tanks of old made me want to turn my coffee table over.
Overpowered against what? LAVs?
Any vehicle in DUST besides the Soma can be survive against any and all AVers provided that you're better at it than the AVer and your fit isn't garbage. Though the Madrugar does struggle against AVers with SLs, but that's the price to pay for using Armor against Explosives.
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I do know however, that you also happen to be a PC Player, correct? How about you and I go into a PC against people who aren't scrubs and see how OP those Swarms of yours are?
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