You want bad news that isn't that?

"Your Loyalty Level will transfer but not your SP."
"You will have to completely start a new character."
"Legion is not 'DUST on the PC' so we will forever keep these separate." (Basically, "sorry we switched sides; try again.")

The only way that CCP can blow it out of the park is to say AND SHOW: "Project Legion is simply 'DUST 514 on the PC.' Oh, and PS4. *waits for applause to die.* They are the same game. Let me be clear by what I mean. We don't mean 'these games are the same like Call of Battle on PC and PS4'... they share the same server side. PC or PS4: you decide, play with your friends that are console or those that are PC and switch between the two."

Or, even worse than bad news; no news. Another year of complete tone deafness that gives a starving community a cracker of information every few months.

Yep. Dam and I like the vision CCP had about unifying both games. So much potential thrown into the bin.

Legion is vaporware.

It is not coming out, and when Dust is done it's done.

The only option they have for saving their studio is a PS4 port and eventual migration, but Rouge would rather not do it. Apparently he is under the impression that Legion and the engine its running on will somehow be relevant in 5 or 10 years or whatever it takes for them to theoretically get Legion out of the door.

Hilmar does not have that kind of patience, and he is already soured to the way Dust turned out. This studio is going to be killed slowly. They will start peeling members out of Shanghai one at a time based on usefulness to work on EVE, and when the team has gotten so small that progress no longer happens the rest will finally be laid off.

Ergo, Hello World of Darkness.

I would very much like for everything I just said to be a false. It would make me happier than anything.

To be honest this is pretty typical behaviour for CCP. They show something awesome and then don't talk about it again.

Valkyrie, that mediocre game isn't going to sell. Do CCP really think that the headset gimmick is going to make them rich? I have seen better fighter space sims on PC 5 years ago. Hell current big titles / in development titles already blow it out of the water.

CCP jumps from project to project..... great. No WoD, no Legion. Just some clunky headset fighter sim......

IF you know that CCP knows that Legion is dead in the water, I would hope you would urge them to tell us the truth.

No, YOU don't know what you're talking about. You have absolutely no clue as to the history or inner workings of CCP. I am intimately familiar with both. I have had many friends in and out of the CSM and CPM over the years and know many ex-employees from CCP itself. I know exactly how their middle management is completely disconnected from reality, how employees get shifted from between teams on a regular basis due to extreme levels of incompetence which stalls any progress from happening, and how top management is more than a little influenced towards trend chasing and hasn't been able to follow anything through since EVE's original inception 10 years ago.


Legion IS vaporware. Everyone on the inside knows it, and everyone with a brain on the outside knows it. Some people on the inside are in denial, and struggling like hell to make enough progress so that they don't get shut down. Rattati is pretty much the only thing keeping their lights on right now, and he won't be able to do that for the length of time it's going to take Legion to happen because the numbers for Dust ARE falling bit by bit.

If it takes you 10 more years to figure out this project is doomed, I feel genuinely sorry for you. But you are the one in the dark, not me.

I want the EVE FPS brand to succeed. Legion is not going to be a simple port of Dust -- It is a completely different game with a completely different premise. It is going to have an extremely long development cycle because that's the pace CCP operates at. Let alone with a staff that was almost entirely neutered. A PS4 upgrade of Dust is the only way the numbers are going to go back up within an operational timeframe that will not result in the studio shutting down. And frankly it's the only thing the team can manage with their current size.

There are literally no other options. Hilmar isn't going to keep feeding CCP Shanghai the revenue from EVE. That simply isn't how it works. Rouge gets to decide now whether he sets his team on the path to unemployment with Legion, or gets his house in order and kicks Dust into full gear on PS4.

The door is closing, but it's not closed yet.

People who claim to have insider knowledge unofficially are pretty regularly proven wrong. Either this means they make a lot of stuff up, or they're not the people who actually are in the know at CCP.

I don't really care if I get in trouble. I've been banned twice already for putting morons in their place.

But I'm not going to throw former employees under the bus. It's up to them to speak out, and they quite often do.. CCP Shanghai members know their own situation, and so does Wormtongue. Whether or not he wants to work to keep CCP Shanghai in business is up to him.

I hope this means, that CCP realized, that forcing their Dust playerbase to the PC, may be counter productive, since they might as well go to Star Citizen instead...

That's at least my thought. I was about to upgrade my rig, to play SC, but since all those changes, the urge is not that big anymore, I may give Dust some more month and see what happens.

If I however move to SC, I doubt I'll come back anytime soon, since that game seems to have so much to play with it might take a while to grab it all...

Agreed it's probably easier for CCP to manage their own game without having to go through Sony. Star Citizen does have hype up for it but not as much as Titanfall and Destiny did , at least from what I've seen since I don't pay that much attention to it. But I wasn't paying much attention to Destiny and Titanfall but saw plenty of it.( mostly commercials). We've seen more of Star Citizen than we have of Legion though.

CCP should have made the DUST keynote about DUST, explained what they were doing for DUST. And then at the end said, early preview, here's the other thing we're working on.

Yes here I am on the Forums mostly awaiting news about Legion but wouldn't be surprised if it got canceled or is in the same position WOD was. Legion is only worth spending the time on these forums because it'll be everything that Dust was suppose to be. I don't waste my time in game anymore because it's still a frustrating game. Lack of teamwork, still getting stuck on stupid **** sometimes, same 3 modes we had before fanfest( I don't count FW and PC anymore).

I couldn't agree more in terms of the way Legion is silenced at the moment. I am sure the working class of CCP games want to talk about it but have strict "orders" to be silent. In this phase of the game industry it isn't best to stay silent. Look at how management nearly destroyed Eve Online a few years back, it simply doesn't work anymore.

A tale of internet space ships


Edited- with all due respect it really needs to be a bit more open.

Except it isn't:

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Steady decline, though minimal, since 2013. No growth at all since 2011 overall. Current user logons are consistent with those in 2009. That's not what I would call "very strong".