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Sev Alcatraz
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Posted - 2014.11.14 06:49:00 -
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make swarms dumb fire and remove the lock on, (or make variants) dumb fire does more damage and can kill infantry while lock on tracks stuff and does less damage and can not kill infantry
Also add a targeting system modularpower for missile turrets to kill those damn derp ships
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Lynn Beck
Delta Vanguard 6
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Posted - 2014.11.14 06:52:00 -
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Id prefer if we could use L1 to lock wjere we're looking at, then shoot at that area.
We could use this to attack Tanks preemptively before they turn the corner, making them run into it, or we could spew missiles in a futile attempt(lol19 splash damage) to get infantry off us.
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137H4RGIC
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.11.14 07:08:00 -
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Swarms used to be dumbfire, but for a very good reason (I'm not sure what, though I surmise it's obvious) it was changed to smartlock only.
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Sev Alcatraz
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Posted - 2014.11.14 07:17:00 -
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I remember dumb fire swarms lol I'm probably the reason they got nerfed proto heavy and swarms *run into red dot horde, aim at own feet, pull trigger, profit* lol
Disgruntled vet
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Exceos
Stand Alone Clones
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Posted - 2014.11.14 07:20:00 -
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i like locking in on installations and then run behind enemy infantry. its funny as **** what they say afterwards.
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dust badger
SOUND Mercs
Of Sound Mind
391
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Posted - 2014.11.14 09:02:00 -
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Yeah dumb fire swarms were bad.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.14 09:11:00 -
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Dumbfire swarms were only a problem because of the super high level of splash damage and the radius. Dumbfire swarms would easily be reintroduced into the game no problem.
That being said, we have the plasma cannon right now that pretty much is something akin to an RPG type weapon. However while the PLC is very good against shield tanks, it really does lack in terms of anti armour damage (design of the weapon).
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Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
4988
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Posted - 2014.11.14 09:16:00 -
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Dumbfire swarms are the equivalent of a mass driver shotgun
Why use the MD when you can lunk off four AV shots at the enemy instead?
Bonus: they even hit harder.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.11.14 09:30:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:Swarms used to be dumbfire, but for a very good reason (I'm not sure what, though I surmise it's obvious) it was changed to smartlock only.
They had a zero refire time allowing a full mag dump in a second.
This literally destroyed everything at prototype levels as 24 missiles where rather excessive with 600 damage + splash each.
The only way I would agree to seeing dumfries back if the area its hitting is so unreliable its more for suppression and spooking than killing at longer ranges and at close ranges it becomes a potential suicidal weapon.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:31:00 -
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137H4RGIC wrote:Swarms used to be dumbfire, but for a very good reason (I'm not sure what, though I surmise it's obvious) it was changed to smartlock only.
You think mass drivers are annoying?
Old Swarms were insane. Imagine launching 4 Mass Driver shots at once, and having 3 bursts in the mag.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:45:00 -
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I'd rather not have them become dumbfire, as that would be the role of a Matari PRG.
On the other hand, we could make them Laser Guided...
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:47:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:make swarms dumb fire and remove the lock on, (or make variants) dumb fire does more damage and can kill infantry while lock on tracks stuff and does less damage and can not kill infantry
Also add a targeting system modularpower for missile turrets to kill those damn derp ships
we have PLC for "dumb" fire. 0/10
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RayRay James
Vengeance Unbound
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:53:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I'd rather not have them become dumbfire, as that would be the role of a Matari PRG.
On the other hand, we could make them Laser Guided...
That could be a fun role for DS/ADS
Have someone on the ground lase a target (no damage, just mark) and have a weapon that does slow fire, heavy damage from the air. Our own version of a laser guided bomb. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:48:00 -
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Sev Alcatraz wrote:make swarms dumb fire and remove the lock on, (or make variants) dumb fire does more damage and can kill infantry while lock on tracks stuff and does less damage and can not kill infantry
Also add a targeting system modularpower for missile turrets to kill those damn derp ships
See....if you said "I want dumbfire, so I can shoot vehicles up close without lock on time" I would be willing to have a discussion. Drop Splash to basically nothing, add a refire delay so you can't dump 24 missiles in half a second, and you might be onto something.
The problem is you want it to be an anti infantry weapon too. As someone aptly put, what you're asking for is a Mass Driver Shotgun that carpet bombs pretty much the general direction you're looking for. Not only would it basically make Mass Drivers completely obsolete, but it would be overpowered as hell. I laugh at the people who cry about Slayer Logis and Scouts, when they didnt experience the hell that was Dumbfire Swarms back in early Closed Beta. A single person with a nanohive and a swarm launcher could single handedly hold down an entire squad of people with nearly zero effort.
The only reason the Plasma Cannon is allowed to double as Anti-Infantry is because its a single shot with a tight splash radius and poor splash damage. In other words you have to land a direct hit with a single shot in order to secure the kill, which can be difficult given the 3.5 second base reload.
So if you want a balanced, low splash, dumbfire weapon that can be AV and AP? Grab a Plasma Cannon.
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