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Operative 1174 Uuali
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:31:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Should an ADS be able to kill a tank?
Yes.
Can a ADS be reasonably expected to kill a tank in current their state?
Nope.
Are stacking heavy vehicle reps still OP?
Yep.
Many people in this game would not be able to deal with playing EVE one dam* minute before crying to CCP ro nerf things.
My frigate got popped by a battleship whaaahhh! My destroyer can't kill a Titan, nerf!
I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1007
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:35:00 -
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Sir Snugglz wrote:medomai grey wrote:Should an ADS be able to kill a tank?
Yes.
Can a ADS be reasonably expected to kill a tank in current their state?
Nope.
Are stacking heavy vehicle reps still OP?
Yep. I can easily pop sica's and soma's. Gunlogi's and none trip rep maudys take 6-8 clips but still popable. But for some reason triple rep maudy just wont die. lol. I that led to this discussion.
However, you're part of the exception, certain not the standard. In no way shape or form should ads statistics be balanced around your flying lol.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Sir Snugglz
Red Star.
EoN.
893
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:36:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Sir Snugglz wrote:medomai grey wrote:Should an ADS be able to kill a tank?
Yes.
Can a ADS be reasonably expected to kill a tank in current their state?
Nope.
Are stacking heavy vehicle reps still OP?
Yep. I can easily pop sica's and soma's. Gunlogi's and none trip rep maudys take 6-8 clips but still popable. But for some reason triple rep maudy just wont die. lol. I that led to this discussion. However, you're part of the exception, certain not the standard. In no way shape or form should ads statistics be balanced around your flying lol.
ok ok.... but that's what im getting at... if i cant pop a triple rep maudy... imagine how much the standard tickle the tank. lol.
-Pro AFKing LVL 5
-Luck is just one of my skills
-Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
1007
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:40:00 -
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Sir Snugglz wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Sir Snugglz wrote:medomai grey wrote:Should an ADS be able to kill a tank?
Yes.
Can a ADS be reasonably expected to kill a tank in current their state?
Nope.
Are stacking heavy vehicle reps still OP?
Yep. I can easily pop sica's and soma's. Gunlogi's and none trip rep maudys take 6-8 clips but still popable. But for some reason triple rep maudy just wont die. lol. I that led to this discussion. However, you're part of the exception, certain not the standard. In no way shape or form should ads statistics be balanced around your flying lol. ok ok.... but that's what im getting at... if i cant pop a triple rep maudy... imagine how much the standard tickle the tank. lol.
Yeah lol, being as I am part of the standard, average pilots.... when I start to shoot a triple reports, I usually give up after one clip lol.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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REDBACK96USMC
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
118
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:56:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Atiim wrote:Yes.
You both are equal in terms of SP investment, and you've (presumably) have spent a long time learning how to operate your gear. Not only that, but the Madrugar is only operated by 1 player.
If it took more than 1 ADS to destroy it, than it would be imbalanced as it's requiring more resources to destroy than it takes to field, thus giving the "Triple Rep Maddy" an unfair advantage over the ADS.
Then there is the fact that Missiles are explosive (+20% Armor Damage), which are specifically designed to be extremely effective against Armor (ie Madrugars). Small 6 year old girl with a pop gun walks into a bar and picks a fight with a 6 ft, 350 lb hulk of a badass mixed martial artist. Assuming the big lug has no qualms about fighting the little girl no holds barred, who would win and how ineffective would the loser be against the winner?
The small 6 year old girl would. She would cry inconsolably at all the other guys and they would in turn destroy the badass mixed martial artist.
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Powerh8er
The Rainbow Effect
533
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Posted - 2014.11.14 19:43:00 -
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The tank should selfimplode on sight of ads. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
3142
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:16:00 -
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One player should always be able to kill another player no matter what |
CRNWLLC
Gangsta Gank
399
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:27:00 -
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Yes, they should, and they do regularly, in the right hands. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14608
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:31:00 -
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Sure because Passive reps need to die screaming.
"HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGǪ. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."
-Kador Ouryon
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
3473
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:32:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Yes.
You both are equal in terms of SP investment, and you've (presumably) have spent a long time learning how to operate your gear. Not only that, but the Madrugar is only operated by 1 player.
If it took more than 1 ADS to destroy it, than it would be imbalanced as it's requiring more resources to destroy than it takes to field, thus giving the "Triple Rep Maddy" an unfair advantage over the ADS.
Then there is the fact that Missiles are explosive (+20% Armor Damage), which are specifically designed to be extremely effective against Armor (ie Madrugars).
The penalty to the triple rep maddy is that he can't shoot back.
Fatal Absolution Director
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14608
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:57:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote:Yes.
You both are equal in terms of SP investment, and you've (presumably) have spent a long time learning how to operate your gear. Not only that, but the Madrugar is only operated by 1 player.
If it took more than 1 ADS to destroy it, than it would be imbalanced as it's requiring more resources to destroy than it takes to field, thus giving the "Triple Rep Maddy" an unfair advantage over the ADS.
Then there is the fact that Missiles are explosive (+20% Armor Damage), which are specifically designed to be extremely effective against Armor (ie Madrugars). The penalty to the triple rep maddy is that he can't shoot back.
With turrets of our power we shouldn't b able to. If we want to fire back we need to realised that small turrets are required.
"HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGǪ. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."
-Kador Ouryon
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medomai grey
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
1088
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:47:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:medomai grey wrote:Should an ADS be able to kill a tank?
Yes.
Can a ADS be reasonably expected to kill a tank in current their state?
Nope.
Are stacking heavy vehicle reps still OP?
Yep. Many people in this game would not be able to deal with playing EVE one dam* minute before crying to CCP ro nerf things. My frigate got popped by a battleship whaaahhh! My destroyer can't kill a Titan, nerf! I doubt the relation ship between HAV and ADS is akin to a titan versus a destroyer. The relationship between HAV and ADS is one of tank and attack chopper. 
How to balance cloaks.
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Sir Snugglz
Red Star.
EoN.
894
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Posted - 2014.11.15 00:42:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:One player should always be able to kill another player no matter what
I like this argument. Never thought of that
-Pro AFKing LVL 5
-Luck is just one of my skills
-Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15067
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Posted - 2014.11.15 01:30:00 -
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Sir Snugglz wrote:Delta 749 wrote:One player should always be able to kill another player no matter what I like this argument. Never thought of that
150k fully fit vehicles and no vehicle cap it is
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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Gabriella Grey
THE HANDS OF DEATH
RUST415
219
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:26:00 -
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Looking at it from a vehicle stand point, HAV's always have been overshadowing the other vehicles. HAV's have good strong damage and I think that needs to remain. Problem between HAV's and Dropships is as it stands there is no balance. HAV's are alpha damage, well armored/shielded, and fast. The dropships RoF nerf that had happened prior finished off whatever fragile balance there was for vehicles. I rarely see good HAV users killed by experienced dropship pilots. There are so many things that need attention with vehicles that turrets are not the only problem.
- HAV's can easily get out of harms way from a dropship. (Taking the ground speed booster from out of the equation, the HAV reaches top speed much faster than the dropship).
- Shield vs Armor vehicle physics are bugged. (Example would be how Python can loose a huge chunk of shields and the Incubus can only loose half of its shields from rough landings.
- Armor dropships have much more mobility than shield dropships.
- Small Rail Turrets are only effective on an incubus. (An example would be how the incubus can use missile turrets and rail turrets effectively).
- Currently assault dropships are much more limited on what and how things can be equipped.
- HAV booster module increases HAV acceleration and max speed by a far significant amount.
- Small Turrets for dropships need better ranges, and rate of fire compared to ground vehicles, to make up for small windows of engagements. (example would be strafe runs, limited windows for aiming at a target while flying, and need to decrease the current time to kill.
Gabriella Grey
"Amarr Ace Pilot"
Saracen Squadron
7th Fleet Division
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Mobius Wyvern
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
5437
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:09:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:In my opinion no. But on the other hand i would welcome it if dropship passangers would be aible to use their weapons. For example you could have a buddy with a swarm launcher/forgegun and chase the tank with the help of your mate who fires his AV weapon from the passanger seat. You clearly don't appreciate how obnoxiously OP that would be
Yeah, this isn't Battlefield. If you let me fly with Plasma Cannon users in my ADS, I will happily show you how worthless all ground vehicles would become almost immediately.
I'm not even going to mention Swarms, because that'd be just pure cheese.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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