DUST Search - Message to CCP/CPM regarding BAR/RR "imbalance"

Jacques Cayton II wrote:

Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

BAR is not OP. its sevearly limited on range. max range is 71m but effective range is like 50m but to be somewhat accurate you need to dump ALOT of sp into sharpshooter skill where as RR was up to 101m with effective of like 70odd meters and didnt need any huge sp dump into sharpshooting.

BAR also does not have a scope to emphasize on its CQB-ness.. AR are ment to have high dps at close range.. unlike how RR were stupidly dominant at any range from 0 to 100m

also if we were to throw in damage profiles the RR is even more effective because every one stacks armor...
the AR suck against armor where as they only excell against shields..

so i put it to you mister OP, its only shield tanked scouts and shield tankers in general who are whining like little girls about the BAR when RR was OP for like a year and all you guys just defended it to hell and back .

Dude stop. Pull out a rail rifle try to kill a proto at 50 meters. Then back up 10 meters try again. Continue this to see the rail wont kill it anywhere in its optimal

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LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 798	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:11:00 - [1] - Quote Please, do not listen to GD about this issue! Keep calm and don't fret about all the complaints until 1 of these two things happens. 1. Someone comes up with actual math and Graphs dealing with this issue 2. Data from gameplay actually proves the point. The reason I write this is because right now, people are not coming up with logical statements to provide evidence as to why the BAR must be nerfed. Look what happened to things that were needed out of pure fear of the player base (looking at you Callogi, AR, Flaylock, Forge Gun, etc.). Listen only to math and come up with graphs to show the imbalance. If it need be, I might even do it myself here in this thread. And please, no flaming in this topic, I do not in any way want to defend the BAR, and I do believe the RR is in a wrong place ATM... Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 798	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:12:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 297	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:14:00 - [3] - Quote Truth, the only reason that I can speculate without any actual data would be... Caldari Scouts are QQing about the damage the BAR does, when assault rifles do bonus damage to shields... Same for Caldari Scouts (FOTM Scout). Gallente Assault Logis take more work to take out. But since the Caldari and other shield tank suits have such low armor, they melt relatively pretty quickly. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1854	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:14:00 - [4] - Quote BAR is not OP. its sevearly limited on range. max range is 71m but effective range is like 50m but to be somewhat accurate you need to dump ALOT of sp into sharpshooter skill where as RR was up to 101m with effective of like 70odd meters and didnt need any huge sp dump into sharpshooting. BAR also does not have a scope to emphasize on its CQB-ness.. AR are ment to have high dps at close range.. unlike how RR were stupidly dominant at any range from 0 to 100m also if we were to throw in damage profiles the RR is even more effective because every one stacks armor... the AR suck against armor where as they only excell against shields.. so i put it to you mister OP, its only shield tanked scouts and shield tankers in general who are whining like little girls about the BAR when RR was OP for like a year and all you guys just defended it to hell and back . [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
G Felix 149	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:23:00 - [5] - Quote Inb4 purely anecdotal evidence of BAR's imbalance. Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 799	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:26:00 - [6] - Quote G Felix wrote: Inb4 purely anecdotal evidence of BAR's imbalance. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3336	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:41:00 - [7] - Quote BAR is OP because being Gallente means having ** weapons, obviously the BAR is not ** but actually doing it's job. Having the worst range isn't enough we also need to suck at cqc to claim master race status. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Hakyou Brutor Capital Acquisitions LLC 1601	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:54:00 - [8] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: Truth, the only reason that I can speculate without any actual data would be... Caldari Scouts are QQing about the damage the BAR does, when assault rifles do bonus damage to shields... Same for Caldari Scouts (FOTM Scout). Gallente Assault Logis take more work to take out. But since the Caldari and other shield tank suits have such low armor, they melt relatively pretty quickly. Ahem.. Gallente Scout is actually the FoTM scout, get it right. Knight Soiaire = my bae
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 805	Posted - 2014.11.14 02:55:00 - [9] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: Truth, the only reason that I can speculate without any actual data would be... Caldari Scouts are QQing about the damage the BAR does, when assault rifles do bonus damage to shields... Same for Caldari Scouts (FOTM Scout). Gallente Assault Logis take more work to take out. But since the Caldari and other shield tank suits have such low armor, they melt relatively pretty quickly. Ahem.. Gallente Scout is actually the FoTM scout, get it right. I could agree with you there. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 269	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:02:00 - [10] - Quote Speaking of changes did you guys see gal suites got there bonus back yay it comes out to around 80s for full repair of a assault suit with no plates if my math was right. It is much nicer than the 120+ sec we had it doesn't match cal uptime, but armor allows for higher hp so that makes up some of the difference. The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk

137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 306	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:04:00 - [11] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: 137H4RGIC wrote: Truth, the only reason that I can speculate without any actual data would be... Caldari Scouts are QQing about the damage the BAR does, when assault rifles do bonus damage to shields... Same for Caldari Scouts (FOTM Scout). Gallente Assault Logis take more work to take out. But since the Caldari and other shield tank suits have such low armor, they melt relatively pretty quickly. Ahem.. Gallente Scout is actually the FoTM scout, get it right. Orly? I never see them/kill them/get killed by them. I only ever come across the Caldari ones O.o I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17715	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:12:00 - [12] - Quote The only thing Id do about the BAR is to reduce mag size. RR may need a slight charge buff but overall its feels just about perfect where it is. Maybe give the Cal Assault a kick reduc bonus instead. If I was in charge; but I am not. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1063	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:18:00 - [13] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: BAR is not OP. its sevearly limited on range. max range is 71m but effective range is like 50m but to be somewhat accurate you need to dump ALOT of sp into sharpshooter skill where as RR was up to 101m with effective of like 70odd meters and didnt need any huge sp dump into sharpshooting. BAR also does not have a scope to emphasize on its CQB-ness.. AR are ment to have high dps at close range.. unlike how RR were stupidly dominant at any range from 0 to 100m also if we were to throw in damage profiles the RR is even more effective because every one stacks armor... the AR suck against armor where as they only excell against shields.. so i put it to you mister OP, its only shield tanked scouts and shield tankers in general who are whining like little girls about the BAR when RR was OP for like a year and all you guys just defended it to hell and back . Dude stop. Pull out a rail rifle try to kill a proto at 50 meters. Then back up 10 meters try again. Continue this to see the rail wont kill it We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Hector Carson BLACK MAGES ACADEMY 80	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:19:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The only thing Id do about the BAR is to reduce mag size. RR may need a slight charge buff but overall its feels just about perfect where it is. Maybe give the Cal Assault a kick reduc bonus instead. If I was in charge; but I am not. add more of a kick to BAR then it will be good Scout shoots Sentinel like a BOSS.........with a Bolt Pistol
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1863	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:20:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The only thing Id do about the BAR is to reduce mag size. RR may need a slight charge buff but overall its feels just about perfect where it is. Maybe give the Cal Assault a kick reduc bonus instead. If I was in charge; but I am not. mag size is fine.. however the TAR is useless now.. its mag is 1/2 that of the BAR but sucks .. if anything id increase the TAR mag and/or increase TAR damage per shot, that way gallente got a viable scoped mid to mid-long rifle. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1863	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:22:00 - [16] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: BAR is not OP. its sevearly limited on range. max range is 71m but effective range is like 50m but to be somewhat accurate you need to dump ALOT of sp into sharpshooter skill where as RR was up to 101m with effective of like 70odd meters and didnt need any huge sp dump into sharpshooting. BAR also does not have a scope to emphasize on its CQB-ness.. AR are ment to have high dps at close range.. unlike how RR were stupidly dominant at any range from 0 to 100m also if we were to throw in damage profiles the RR is even more effective because every one stacks armor... the AR suck against armor where as they only excell against shields.. so i put it to you mister OP, its only shield tanked scouts and shield tankers in general who are whining like little girls about the BAR when RR was OP for like a year and all you guys just defended it to hell and back . Dude stop. Pull out a rail rifle try to kill a proto at 50 meters. Then back up 10 meters try again. Continue this to see the rail wont kill it anywhere in its optimal you missed the point RR is still strong now but now you cannot use the RR as effectivly in CQB as it used to be however the ARR is quite strong in cqb and is still a favourite of the RR masses for short-mid range. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
BL4CKST4R La Muerte Eterna Dark Taboo 3338	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:22:00 - [17] - Quote Hector Carson wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The only thing Id do about the BAR is to reduce mag size. RR may need a slight charge buff but overall its feels just about perfect where it is. Maybe give the Cal Assault a kick reduc bonus instead. If I was in charge; but I am not. add more of a kick to BAR then it will be good And a range buff, if you wanna make it scrappy at cqc then you obviously want it to be better at long range. unless of course you just wanna nerf it for the hell of it in which case nothing you say should be taken seriously cuz your Obviously trolling supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 657	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:29:00 - [18] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: BAR is not OP. its sevearly limited on range. max range is 71m but effective range is like 50m but to be somewhat accurate you need to dump ALOT of sp into sharpshooter skill where as RR was up to 101m with effective of like 70odd meters and didnt need any huge sp dump into sharpshooting. BAR also does not have a scope to emphasize on its CQB-ness.. AR are ment to have high dps at close range.. unlike how RR were stupidly dominant at any range from 0 to 100m also if we were to throw in damage profiles the RR is even more effective because every one stacks armor... the AR suck against armor where as they only excell against shields.. so i put it to you mister OP, its only shield tanked scouts and shield tankers in general who are whining like little girls about the BAR when RR was OP for like a year and all you guys just defended it to hell and back . "...RR is even more effective because every one stacks armor..." "...RR was OP for like a year..." how is RR OP again? 1. less DPS than any other rifle in game must make it OP 2. charge-up time must also make it OP at 0m to 70m it is very good. at 100m you are doing +75% less damage. thats about 13 damage per shot. thats SUPER OP. we should nerf it more right?
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 385	Posted - 2014.11.14 03:50:00 - [19] - Quote I too feel that it is too early to judge the BrAR. DeathwindRising wrote: how is RR OP again? 1. less DPS than any other rifle in game must make it OP 2. charge-up time must also make it OP at 0m to 70m it is very good. at 100m you are doing +75% less damage. thats about 13 damage per shot. thats SUPER OP. we should nerf it more right? Because it was as good as it was at 0 to 70. No other rifle was that good. The rifles that were that good at 70 (scrambler and laser) sucked up close. The guns that were good at 0-50 sucked at 70. The RR was very good in ALL situations. Hence nerfs. The DPS was also very high due to the accuracy at those ranges despite it being full auto. I am not sure about the RR now. It may be overkicking in ADS by some reports. And the ARR is pretty darn good at med-short. You just can't use the SAME weapon for ALL ranges anymore.


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