DUST Search - SP gain too low

Ripley Riley wrote:

Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

as a logi i used to be in top 3 or even overall MVP.. then needles changed.. my wp is like 1/3 to 1/2 what it used to be.. and now with lower sp payouts ugh this is just a disaster, I chose logi cause wp==sp(also because i like to help people and my gungame isnt that great) and that was/is important as a lower sp player (like 15m atm) compared to bittervets with 30m+

most of my gameplay is solo but i help the team as a logi. mostly people run bpo to proto, EOM is lower half of the team now and not only lower sp but the isk even when i do amazingly and reclaim my MVP spot for supreme loginess the isk is like 1/3 lower then it used to be

Wow. Running logi and placing that low is strange to say the least. Do you blame the reduction in SP payouts primarily on the needle changes or it is something more than that?

For background purposes, I run assault with drop uplinks or needles primarily. Occasionally I run Caldari logi with nanohives. I am in a squad far more often than I am soloing.

Side note: if you ever need a squad shoot me a mail.

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Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1846	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:08:00 - [1] - Quote SP gains are pathetic since tuesday patch.. needs to go back to what it was. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 98	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:11:00 - [2] - Quote I don't know if CCP knows yet, but it really seems like the double SP per WP was removed.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 625	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:16:00 - [3] - Quote +1 How am I supposed to feel confidant buying boosters and such if stuff like this happens? Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I survived 1.8! Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 264	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:17:00 - [4] - Quote Bump. Same with ISK earnt per battle. I did some great ambush today doing arrpund 20-25 kills, 0-1 death, 1500-2000 WP and got an average of 200k ISK and 3.5k SP D: Fix it fast CCP! It was already too slow to cap out the 750k SP before, now it's IMPOSSIBLE. Take out all forms of scans and you'll see how great Dust can be. Scrubs will cry, good players will love it.
RedPencil Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 118	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:41:00 - [5] - Quote SP gain lower confirm! Last week, I can get up to 10k sp with wp around 2k. This week, got max 7k sp with 2k wp. No matter what I try. Beware Paper cut M[;..;]M
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1851	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:00:00 - [6] - Quote yeah ccp is messing around with us :\| [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
ImIvan 45	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:10:00 - [7] - Quote Yep, was 7k last week, now 2k, this is WAY to slow of a gain -.- Why must you use prototypes?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1852	Posted - 2014.11.13 23:35:00 - [8] - Quote ImIvan wrote: Yep, was 7k last week, now 2k, this is WAY to slow of a gain -.- its pathetically low [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
RedPencil Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 120	Posted - 2014.11.14 09:56:00 - [9] - Quote Update: Break 3k wp but still got only 7k sp Beware Paper cut M[;..;]M
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1502	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:00:00 - [10] - Quote RedPencil wrote: Update: Break 3k wp but still got only 7k sp Which isn't too bad at all actually. However, the SP payouts seem erratic. Sometimes I do good, get low SP. Sometimes I do good, get good SP. Something's wonky anyway. EDIT: I forgot about the supposedly updated SP gains. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov

Kuruld Sengar Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 41	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:03:00 - [11] - Quote I used to receive on average 6-8k sp, now I receive 3-4k. Sometimes 5 after an amazing game. Is this an attempt to force us to use boosters?
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 382	Posted - 2014.11.14 11:52:00 - [12] - Quote Kuruld Sengar wrote: I used to receive on average 6-8k sp, now I receive 3-4k. Sometimes 5 after an amazing game. Is this an attempt to force us to use boosters? Yes. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Zindorak Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1286	Posted - 2014.11.14 12:09:00 - [13] - Quote Yas i need more SP gain Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
jade gamester Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2014.11.14 12:23:00 - [14] - Quote It's amusing it's like certain mistakes are deliberately placed I mean he wasn't happy about 750k and people hitting that goal and look what happened first week it wasn't introduced till the next day and this week you can earn ****? What will next week bring? Booster that reduce sp earnt. King of contradiction all hail kingthunderbolt o7
robin williams' ghost Damaged Beyond Repair 47	Posted - 2014.11.14 13:13:00 - [15] - Quote The result is only less money for them because nobodies going to buy boosters till this crap is fixed. I know I won't
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4791	Posted - 2014.11.14 13:38:00 - [16] - Quote Full disclosure: multiple people in GD have said that SP payouts seem to be lower. I realize that. CCP Rattati has even commented on it not being intended so I recognize this was not intentionally done by CCP. I'm receiving the same SP payouts from matches. Not seeing any changes really. I average in the top 5 on the EoM screen. I run domination and skirmish 95% of the time. No active boosters running right now. What is everyone running? Where do you fall on the EoM screen? How much of a drop have you noticed? Are you in a squad or soloing? I'm just curious. My advice to you, playa...
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1868	Posted - 2014.11.14 13:57:00 - [17] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Full disclosure: multiple people in GD have said that SP payouts seem to be lower. I realize that. CCP Rattati has even commented on it not being intended so I recognize this was not intentionally done by CCP. I'm receiving the same SP payouts from matches. Not seeing any changes really. I average in the top 5 on the EoM screen. I run domination and skirmish 95% of the time. No active boosters running right now. What is everyone running? Where do you fall on the EoM screen? How much of a drop have you noticed? Are you in a squad or soloing? I'm just curious. as a logi i used to be in top 3 or even overall MVP.. then needles changed.. my wp is like 1/3 to 1/2 what it used to be.. and now with lower sp payouts ugh this is just a disaster, i chose logi cause wp==sp(also because i like to help people and my gungame isnt that great) and that was/is important as a lower sp player (like 15m atm) compaired to bittervets with 30m+ [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2552	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:07:00 - [18] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Full disclosure: multiple people in GD have said that SP payouts seem to be lower. I realize that. CCP Rattati has even commented on it not being intended so I recognize this was not intentionally done by CCP. I'm receiving the same SP payouts from matches. Not seeing any changes really. I average in the top 5 on the EoM screen. I run domination and skirmish 95% of the time. No active boosters running right now. What is everyone running? Where do you fall on the EoM screen? How much of a drop have you noticed? Are you in a squad or soloing? I'm just curious. Soloing usually. Dominations. Ending in the top 4 (often number 1, sometimes lower because squads/bad play). But I can do the math and it seems weird. 1,160 WP. Full domination game, say 10 minutes conservative. Less than 3,700 SP (maybe even 2,800 as I only remember the WP). 1,160 x 2 = 2,320 SP. 3,700 - 2,320 = 1,380 / 5 = 276 seconds, or less than 5 minutes. Should have been around 3,000 for time (at least) + 2,320 for WP. Something is definitely up with me. I saw those kinds of numbers in a few games and with my internet being really slow that night I decided to call it quits when I saw the Frustration was beating Entertainment and Rewards. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4793	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:12:00 - [19] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: as a logi i used to be in top 3 or even overall MVP.. then needles changed.. my wp is like 1/3 to 1/2 what it used to be.. and now with lower sp payouts ugh this is just a disaster, I chose logi cause wp==sp(also because i like to help people and my gungame isnt that great) and that was/is important as a lower sp player (like 15m atm) compared to bittervets with 30m+ most of my gameplay is solo but i help the team as a logi. mostly people run bpo to proto, EOM is lower half of the team now and not only lower sp but the isk even when i do amazingly and reclaim my MVP spot for supreme loginess the isk is like 1/3 lower then it used to be Wow. Running logi and placing that low is strange to say the least. Do you blame the reduction in SP payouts primarily on the needle changes or it is something more than that? For background purposes, I run assault with drop uplinks or needles primarily. Occasionally I run Caldari logi with nanohives. I am in a squad far more often than I am soloing. Side note: if you ever need a squad shoot me a mail. My advice to you, playa...
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1869	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:16:00 - [20] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: as a logi i used to be in top 3 or even overall MVP.. then needles changed.. my wp is like 1/3 to 1/2 what it used to be.. and now with lower sp payouts ugh this is just a disaster, I chose logi cause wp==sp(also because i like to help people and my gungame isnt that great) and that was/is important as a lower sp player (like 15m atm) compared to bittervets with 30m+ most of my gameplay is solo but i help the team as a logi. mostly people run bpo to proto, EOM is lower half of the team now and not only lower sp but the isk even when i do amazingly and reclaim my MVP spot for supreme loginess the isk is like 1/3 lower then it used to be Wow. Running logi and placing that low is strange to say the least. Do you blame the reduction in SP payouts primarily on the needle changes or it is something more than that? For background purposes, I run assault with drop uplinks or needles primarily. Occasionally I run Caldari logi with nanohives. I am in a squad far more often than I am soloing. Side note: if you ever need a squad shoot me a mail. i used to revive ALOT of people before the needle change but now people dont press X for ages if at all.. as a logi and with the stupidly restrictive SP cap on reptools, which might i add seems to have been lowered even more! i would prop up my WPs between reptool WP CAP cooldowns by sticking people with needles [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4793	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:20:00 - [21] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i used to revive ALOT of people before the needle change but now people dont press X for ages if at all.. as a logi and with the stupidly restrictive SP cap on reptools, which might i add seems to have been lowered even more! i would prop up my WPs between reptool WP CAP cooldowns by sticking people with needles The needle changes prevent people from getting trolled, which I have to admit I'm pretty happy about. Would increasing the amount of WP's earned with needles help? 60 -> 75 maybe? As for the rep tools' WP cap reduction, I have no idea. I don't fit them. CCP Rattati and/or Logibro, Any ninja changes to the repair tool WP cap? My advice to you, playa...
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 660	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:24:00 - [22] - Quote If they did in fact reduce SP to counter the extra bit of SP from loyalty ranks and/or to encourage the stacking of boosters I will renounce DUST, unless it's owned up to quickly. Be careful CCP. Some neckbeard will do the math and figure this out and expose you. If you did this you need to apologize and reverse it now or you will have an Incarna on your hands that will drive a stake through the heart of this comunity and kill the game outright. Rattati, if you did this ninja style to counter your mistake with the 750,000, you need to reverse it quickly. Two wrongs don't make a right. You cannot be reducing SP and ISK gains. Do this and you'll squander every bit of credit that you have with the community.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4793	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:26:00 - [23] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Soloing usually. Dominations. Ending in the top 4 (often number 1, sometimes lower because squads/bad play). But I can do the math and it seems weird. 1,160 WP. Full domination game, say 10 minutes conservative. Less than 3,700 SP (maybe even 2,800 as I only remember the WP). 1,160 x 2 = 2,320 SP. 3,700 - 2,320 = 1,380 / 5 = 276 seconds, or less than 5 minutes. Should have been around 3,000 for time (at least) + 2,320 for WP. Something is definitely up with me. I saw those kinds of numbers in a few games and with my internet being really slow that night I decided to call it quits when I saw the Frustration was beating Entertainment and Rewards. All things working as intended... (10 minutes * 60 seconds) = 600 seconds (600 seconds * 5 WPs) = 3000 SP (3000 SP + 1160 SP) = 4160 WP awarded pre-1.9 (10 minutes * 60 seconds) = 600 seconds (600 seconds * 5 WPs) = 3000 SP (1160 WP * 2) = 2320 SP (3000 SP + 2320 SP) = 5320 WP awarded post-1.9 ...yeah... that's very wrong. Then why aren't my SP rewards decreasing? Is it intermittently effecting matches? Does my brain have too much dumb to math? My advice to you, playa...
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1869	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:27:00 - [24] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i used to revive ALOT of people before the needle change but now people dont press X for ages if at all.. as a logi and with the stupidly restrictive SP cap on reptools, which might i add seems to have been lowered even more! i would prop up my WPs between reptool WP CAP cooldowns by sticking people with needles The needle changes prevent people from getting trolled, which I have to admit I'm pretty happy about. Would increasing the amount of WP's earned with needles help? 60 -> 75 maybe? As for the rep tools' WP cap reduction, I have no idea. I don't fit them. CCP Rattati and/or Logibro, Any ninja changes to the repair tool WP cap? well ideally id lke to see the old needle system back but with a tweek so if the player dies a second time a short-ish while after being rezzed THEN they get the choice to call for a rez or go back to deployment. as for reptools, they are F'd up i use triage (L4) on my standard suit, core 2 beam(L5) on my adv suit and the Core Focused (L5) on proto suit.. and regardless of which i use sometimes even if i have yet to rep in the battle i get 0 WP for even repping a sentinel up from like 30% or 50% up to full... and sometimes if i rep some one up from low armor the WP per minute cap seems to then cockblock me as if it had been lowered by 1/2 when i try rep the second person.. i used reptools alot in 1.8 to help PTFO and cap hard to cap points and would take a while to cap on points per minute... but now in 1.9 it feels like with needle nerf and now the seemingly ninja reptool points per minute nerf it feels like running logi isnt even comparable to what it was even the day before 1.9 hit [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4793	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:35:00 - [25] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i use triage (L4) on my standard suit, core 2 beam(L5) on my adv suit and the Core Focused (L5) on proto suit.. and regardless of which i use sometimes even if i have yet to rep in the battle i get 0 WP for even repping a sentinel up from like 30% or 50% up to full THAT makes me think this isn't a ninja nerf to rep tool WP cap. Instead, it sounds like a defect in how WP's are being calculated/awarded for rep tools. My advice to you, playa...
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1869	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:36:00 - [26] - Quote my weekly WP has been 19,673 if i multiply by 4 that is 78,692 wp a month. so im like 25k wp behind this month compared to last months 104k (103,564) [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1869	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:37:00 - [27] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i use triage (L4) on my standard suit, core 2 beam(L5) on my adv suit and the Core Focused (L5) on proto suit.. and regardless of which i use sometimes even if i have yet to rep in the battle i get 0 WP for even repping a sentinel up from like 30% or 50% up to full THAT makes me think this isn't a ninja nerf to rep tool WP cap. Instead, it sounds like a defect in how WP's are being calculated/awarded for rep tools. well i know needle wp works when people actually X up.. guess ill start another thread for feedback regarding Reptools. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7


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