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Kevall Longstride wrote:

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

For as much as I love you Dennie, I have to kind of be annoyed with these posts.

"Better communication" is something that is always mentioned in these type of posts but more and more we see where the lines of communication are either severed or a bit fat git is sitting on it (wasn't me!). The whole "how do boosters thing work?" in regards to the Skill Cap is certainly the most obvious of "uhh, what the hell happened here?" but more and more the player base is wondering if something is happening behind our backs. IE, that's a whole lot of additional Aurum purchase out. Is CCP trying to get money to develop Legion into the game DUST was supposed/promised to be or are they trying to get the last bit of toothpaste out of the tube before it is discarded?

Obviously, I am sire you would love to assuage my worries this but are unable due to NDA but I am curious if you remember how it feels being on this side of the table.

Ok, lets put it this way.

I'm in the beginning stages of planning for the Uniform I'll be wearing at Fanfest this year. Possibly the creation of a Quafe style helmet to go with the whole ensemble. I've already purchased the new Nerf gun to be customised, the flight tickets and paid for the hotel. This represents a not inconsiderable financial outlay on my part.

So with that in mind, does anyone think I'd make this kind of long term commitment if my NDA gifted me the knowledge that it wasn't worth my being there as far as Dust/Legion is concerned?

As to the problems with communication, it is something that is constantly being pointed out to CCP, often very bluntly by me in particular. But as with all large companies with many departments each with differing concerns, these things can often take more time than is preferred.

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Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1997	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:03:00 - [1] - Quote Over three days, November 11-12-13, the CPM and CCP Shanghai held a number of meetings via Lync. Much of the subject matter and detail covered in these meetings is unfortunately subject to NDA but the CPM can report that it is happy with the current development direction and welcome CCP's attitude as to improving communication with the community overall. The CPM will continue, as it has always done, to push CCP in this regard. The three meetings can be summarised as follows Tuesday 11 November Update on 1.9: CCP Rattati and CCP logibro hosted a discussion regarding the status of 1.9 post release. This was a very productive discussion including possible future client updates. The CPM finished the meeting feeling that much progress was made. Wednesday 12 November Update from CCP Rouge: Hosted by CCP's Rouge, Rattati and Logibro, Rouge updated the CPM as to the full gamut of CCP Shanghai's operations. Meeting details are Subject to NDA but it was good natured, honest and frank. The CPM is pleased to report that CCP have taken onboard community concerns about player communication and is confident that there will be some rectification on that in the near future. Thursday 13 November Follow up to Tuesday meeting: Again with CCP Rattati and Logibro, this meeting was by far the longest of the three stretching to over 2 and a half hours. A huge amount of detail was covered and was by far the more productive of the three meetings. The CPM is particularly pleased as to the content generated by this meeting. In summary, the broad range of topic discussion and content generated over these three meetings was certainly large enough to be considered as a mini summit by the CPM. As stated earlier we are pleased with CCP's desire to greatly improve communication and hope to see moment on that in the near future. Please post any questions and feedback you might have in the thread below but be aware much of what was discussed is subject to NDA so don't take it personally if we can't give you a direct answer. Kind Regards CPM1 CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3794	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:06:00 - [2] - Quote Since you are calling it a mini summit does that mean we'll get CPM minutes? Thanks for the update! Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 13219	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:07:00 - [3] - Quote Are we going to get feline companions in Legion? Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1998	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:16:00 - [4] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Since you are calling it a mini summit does that mean we'll get CPM minutes? Thanks for the update! That may be possible subject to NDA of course but due to its nature it was a more informal process that say a full summit would be. Much of the discussion was organic and on the fly and grew from brainstorming ideas. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1998	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:17:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Are we going to get feline companions in Legion? You want lasers coming from their eyes or not? CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2447	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:20:00 - [6] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: #Snip# Tuesday 11 November This was a very productive discussion including possible future client updates. Wednesday 12 November Update from CCP Rouge: Hosted by CCP's Rouge, Rattati and Logibro, Rouge updated the CPM as to the full gamut of CCP Shanghai's operations. Meeting details are Subject to NDA but it was good natured, honest and frank. Very interested in these particular bits. Now I know I wont be able to get anyone to talk or give details however the honest and frank part about CCP Shanghai`s operations mean a couple of things to me.... Possibly Legion is on hold or maybe it is just taking longer than expect. Maybe its not the same game we assumed it would be. I like the sound of future client updates too. It would be nice to get some sort of rough set of aims / short to mid term goals out of CCP for both DUST514 and / Legion. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1998	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:25:00 - [7] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: #Snip# Tuesday 11 November This was a very productive discussion including possible future client updates. Wednesday 12 November Update from CCP Rouge: Hosted by CCP's Rouge, Rattati and Logibro, Rouge updated the CPM as to the full gamut of CCP Shanghai's operations. Meeting details are Subject to NDA but it was good natured, honest and frank. Very interested in these particular bits. Now I know I wont be able to get anyone to talk or give details however the honest and frank part about CCP Shanghai`s operations mean a couple of things to me.... Possibly Legion is on hold or maybe it is just taking longer than expect. Maybe its not the same game we assumed it would be. I like the sound of future client updates too. It would be nice to get some sort of rough set of aims / short to mid term goals out of CCP for both DUST514 and / Legion. Comment and speculation as to the status of Project Legion right now is of course subject to NDA. As to your second point we hope to see movement in that regard fairly soon. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4713	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:40:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Are we going to get feline companions in Legion? You know how if you read the CSM summit, certain sessions just say "Session was had, minutes are NDA"? Basically applies to all the meetings we had this week. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3777	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:45:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Are we going to get feline companions in Legion? I don't know, are you willing to commit to playing Legion upon its release? If so, then yes we (meaning the rest of us) will have feline companionship in Legion See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1628	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:46:00 - [10] - Quote my questions: will we get racial parity (buildings, vehicles and missing weaponry)? what future changes are planned to fix the EWAR imbalance & clunky binary mechanic? will we get new game modes? will we get new maps?

Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2000	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:52:00 - [11] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: my questions: will we get racial parity (buildings, vehicles and missing weaponry)? what future changes are planned to fix the EWAR imbalance & clunky binary mechanic? will we get new game modes? will we get new maps? Can't really give yes or no answers to them because thats for a Dev to say. But they were all discussed. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2537	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:17:00 - [12] - Quote Is there anything specific that CCP would like more specific feedback on? Or what are they currently looking at that could use more player input? Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2004	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:25:00 - [13] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Is there anything specific that CCP would like more specific feedback on? Or what are they currently looking at that could use more player input? If there is anything specific that they want they usually put up a thread detailing it. But one thing that would help them is if you guys submit a ticket if you find a bug. With video if possible, that really helps them. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Zaria Min Deir TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 839	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:28:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Are we going to get feline companions in Legion? ...I'm glad we have our priorities straight. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 489	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:54:00 - [15] - Quote It was great to read your report, Kevall. Can't wait to see the results of the improved communication.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17710	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:38:00 - [16] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: my questions: will we get racial parity (buildings, vehicles and missing weaponry)? what future changes are planned to fix the EWAR imbalance & clunky binary mechanic? will we get new game modes? will we get new maps? As per interview these things are considered low priority at the moment. EWAR is an active discussion CCP Rattati is in the barbershop asking for opinions and resources. New Game modes are desired by both community and CPM; it will be up to CCP to figure out how. New Maps are a question that CCP will have to answer. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 151	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:25:00 - [17] - Quote Anyone working on the racial weapons and if not, did they stop working on them, and why did they if they did? What is the long term goal for dust like in 8 months from now to a year?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4721	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:28:00 - [18] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: Anyone working on the racial weapons and if not, did they stop working on them, and why did they if they did? What is the long term goal for dust like in 8 months from now to a year? These are good questions. Only CCP can answer them. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 296	Posted - 2014.11.14 01:44:00 - [19] - Quote @OP: What do you mean by "Rectifications"? What sort of rectifications are we looking at? Was it brought up to CCP that the community would rather have oppenness and frankness with us instead of being left in the dark completely? Myself, I could care less their methodology in product deployment. But I have a few people who want to know. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4731	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:07:00 - [20] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: Was it brought up to CCP that the community would rather have oppenness and frankness with us instead of being left in the dark completely? Indeed. And I think they already know this. There are 'other factors' in play though. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 151	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:35:00 - [21] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: [quote=137H4RGIC]Was it brought up to CCP that the community would rather have oppenness and frankness with us instead of being left in the dark completely? Indeed. And I think they already know this. There are 'other factors' in play though.[/quote What other factors and is there any question that isn't about asking CCP to tell us ?
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2587	Posted - 2014.11.16 10:24:00 - [22] - Quote For as much as I love you Dennie, I have to kind of be annoyed with these posts. "Better communication" is something that is always mentioned in these type of posts but more and more we see where the lines of communication are either severed or a bit fat git is sitting on it (wasn't me!). The whole "how do boosters thing work?" in regards to the Skill Cap is certainly the most obvious of "uhh, what the hell happened here?" but more and more the player base is wondering if something is happening behind our backs. IE, that's a whole lot of additional Aurum purchase out. Is CCP trying to get money to develop Legion into the game DUST was supposed/promised to be or are they trying to get the last bit of toothpaste out of the tube before it is discarded? Obviously, I am sire you would love to assuage my worries this but are unable due to NDA but I am curious if you remember how it feels being on this side of the table. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Kevall Longstride Dust University Ivy League 2017	Posted - 2014.11.17 00:17:00 - [23] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: For as much as I love you Dennie, I have to kind of be annoyed with these posts. "Better communication" is something that is always mentioned in these type of posts but more and more we see where the lines of communication are either severed or a bit fat git is sitting on it (wasn't me!). The whole "how do boosters thing work?" in regards to the Skill Cap is certainly the most obvious of "uhh, what the hell happened here?" but more and more the player base is wondering if something is happening behind our backs. IE, that's a whole lot of additional Aurum purchase out. Is CCP trying to get money to develop Legion into the game DUST was supposed/promised to be or are they trying to get the last bit of toothpaste out of the tube before it is discarded? Obviously, I am sire you would love to assuage my worries this but are unable due to NDA but I am curious if you remember how it feels being on this side of the table. Ok, lets put it this way. I'm in the beginning stages of planning for the Uniform I'll be wearing at Fanfest this year. Possibly the creation of a Quafe style helmet to go with the whole ensemble. I've already purchased the new Nerf gun to be customised, the flight tickets and paid for the hotel. This represents a not inconsiderable financial outlay on my part. So with that in mind, does anyone think I'd make this kind of long term commitment if my NDA gifted me the knowledge that it wasn't worth my being there as far as Dust/Legion is concerned? As to the problems with communication, it is something that is constantly being pointed out to CCP, often very bluntly by me in particular. But as with all large companies with many departments each with differing concerns, these things can often take more time than is preferred. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2603	Posted - 2014.11.17 05:22:00 - [24] - Quote Fair enough Dennie. Don't worry; you still have the love of this enormously fat man. You should hope I never make it to FanFest for I must give you a big hug and shake you back and forth. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 152	Posted - 2014.11.19 00:59:00 - [25] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: For as much as I love you Dennie, I have to kind of be annoyed with these posts. "Better communication" is something that is always mentioned in these type of posts but more and more we see where the lines of communication are either severed or a bit fat git is sitting on it (wasn't me!). The whole "how do boosters thing work?" in regards to the Skill Cap is certainly the most obvious of "uhh, what the hell happened here?" but more and more the player base is wondering if something is happening behind our backs. IE, that's a whole lot of additional Aurum purchase out. Is CCP trying to get money to develop Legion into the game DUST was supposed/promised to be or are they trying to get the last bit of toothpaste out of the tube before it is discarded? Obviously, I am sire you would love to assuage my worries this but are unable due to NDA but I am curious if you remember how it feels being on this side of the table. Ok, lets put it this way. I'm in the beginning stages of planning for the Uniform I'll be wearing at Fanfest this year. Possibly the creation of a Quafe style helmet to go with the whole ensemble. I've already purchased the new Nerf gun to be customised, the flight tickets and paid for the hotel. This represents a not inconsiderable financial outlay on my part. So with that in mind, does anyone think I'd make this kind of long term commitment if my NDA gifted me the knowledge that it wasn't worth my being there as far as Dust/Legion is concerned? As to the problems with communication, it is something that is constantly being pointed out to CCP, often very bluntly by me in particular. But as with all large companies with many departments each with differing concerns, these things can often take more time than is preferred. Why isn't CCP relying that information to the community? They always talk about "communication" , but they fell to deliver considering that they are keeping the info in NDA all the time. CPM constantly pointing it does not seem to have any effect on CCP , so it seems that CCP as a whole does not care. Besides Ratt , Frame, and Logicbro popping up every now and again. Lastly, what is so important about the information that it is either not being talked about or being NDA ?
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2031	Posted - 2014.11.19 09:37:00 - [26] - Quote Like I've said before, lots of departments with different considerations..... sigh We poke 'em all the time. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com


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