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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.11.13 11:02:00 -
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Just a bunch of questions before I help start breaking everything....
1. Vehicle Command Tree Structure
Should it (regardless of multipliers)?
a. Mimic the Drop Suits where it is Racial From Top to Bottom?
b. Retain the Same as Current (racial at top end only)
Why?
2. Vehicle Upgrades Tree Structure
Should it (regardless of multipliers)(aware of new bonuses depending on the option)
a. mimic the Drop Suit tree more with bonuses on par with the infantry progression
b. Retain Current form and bonused the unbounded skills (all 6.1 million sp of it)
Why?
3. Should there be reskinned place holders for FW vehicles (IE Golden Madrugers w/ amarr logo and Rusted Gunlogis /w repub logo) Even if this means that there is a very low chance of having unique models in the foreseeable future or unique stats even?
4. Should Militia Vehicles and Military Grade Vehicles feature similar slot layouts (as to not eat up slot real-estate) akin to standard dropsuit relationship with militia dropsuits?
5. Scout LAV's Role(s) should be?
(Mix and Match or even add)
Attack, Ewar, Anti-Infantry, Anti-Equipment, Anti-Vehicle, Anti-Structure, Secondary Damage Support,
Sensor, Transport, Speed, Tank, Stealth, Covert Operator, Fast, Slow, Average Speed?
6. Logistics LAV's where the start of the killer bee revolution, What tamer Role(s) should it have if brought back?
(Mix and Match or even add)
Infantry Support, Vehicle Support, Vehicle Repairs, Infantry Repairs, A 'Mobile' Supply Depot, A Mobile CRU, Tanky, Thin Skinned, Slow, Fast, Secondary Damage Support, Ewar
7. Enforcer HAVs previously did not have a strong role, What roles should it have?
(Mix and Match or Add)
Vehicle Sniper, Area Denial, Suppression, Gun Platform, Siege Engine, Blockade, Anti-infantry, Anti-Vehicle, Anti-Air, Tanky, Thin Skinned, Fast, Slow, Light Battle Tank, Main Battle Tank, Heavy Battle Tank, Ewar?
8. Murader HAVs previously had a god like role, What roles should it retain if ever brought back in?
(Mix and Match or Add)
Vehicle Sniper, Area Denial, Suppression, Gun Platform, Siege Engine, Blockade, Anti-infantry, Anti-Vehicle, Anti-Air, Tanky, Thin Skinned, Fast, Slow, Light Battle Tank, Main Battle Tank, Heavy Battle Tank, Ewar?
9. Logistics DS underperformed massively last time, what roles should it have to make it useful?
(Mix and Match or even add)
Infantry Support, Vehicle Support, Vehicle Repairs, Infantry Repairs, A 'Mobile' Supply Depot, A Mobile CRU, Tanky, Thin Skinned, Slow, Fast, Secondary Damage Support, Ewar
10. Assault Dropships are a subject of much Hyperbole, What attribute is the ADS hurting in the most right now?
Survivability
Offensive Capability
Skewed Windows of Engagement
Transport Ability
11. There is thought about bringing turret variants back BUT so many of the old variants were 'useless' in the light of another so in what way or roles would you give these returning turrets to avoid similar fates.
Anti-Infantry? Anti-Equipment? Anti-Vehicle? Burst? Long Range? Supression? Breach Firing? Bigger Splash? Higher ROF for lower Damage? Larger Magazines? Faster Reloads? More Backup Ammo? Come up with a goal theme for various prefix names.
12. Currently we have a selection of active and passive modules. Would you like to see an introduction of Modules that were off behavior of current as additional Options. An example would be an active armor repair that outperforms the passives?
13. There are currently no known technical evaluation on the possibility of more support like game play such as Deploying Equipment (ie Proximity Explosive or Nanohive), Siege Modes (your vehicle sacrifices a large amount of one stat to gain a great strength in another; Like 0 mobility for heavy tank and offensive ability) or even a repair turret or Mobile Supply Depot. Despite this are you very interested in seeing these mechanics brought into playing field to be hotfixed around and design something with? Which ones? Any new ideas of your own you think that could be done?
14. Dropship Immortality was pretty serious issue because of the lack of counters mostly. Would the community support an AA turret variant that cannot lower its turret base underneath a certain point making it difficult to deal with other threats if the Dropships where returned to similar power before 1.8D?
15. Several Quality of Life Features do not have any technical evaluations yet, are you willing to support such features such as: Dropship Drop Camera for passengers, Fixing the Small Turret Facing Bug, Allowing LAV passengers to shoot their weapons, Lock On Warning, Entry and Delay of Exit of a vehicle up to 3 seconds.
16. What kind of new modules are you willing to see?
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:08:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:70 kills this month, 7k WP?
I'm sorry but you can't tackle something like this without extensive time playing the game and some decent SP into vehicles/AV.
Like I said though, most of the dedicated vehicle pilots are gone or could just careless.
Can't play this game and CPM heavily at the same time. Also ever taken into account I may have alts? If you feel that game play = qualifications then you should hit up CPM Zatara; whom by the way constantly hits me up for help when it comes to things similar to this. So I have input on the sidearms as well :P on what roles they should play out, Zatara is better than he doubts himself to be though at it.
Secondly; I could choose to ignore and let vehicles continue to suffer, letting a more qualified CPMs such as Sorya Xel nerf them to oblivion along with not getting a look at them pushed until far as long as next year even; or I could get fed input from very qualified pilots and AV infantry to make best use of the information presented and start heading towards a more sensible direction using input to formulate very strong arguments, goals, and direction instead of mindless disdain for the whole Vehicle environment.
And don't cry to CPM Judge about this; it will be on deaf ears. CPM Cross and SMB are next best bets to follow up on as the others are busy with their own things.
Heck far as I am seeing things they're all distracted and I am the only one trying to heat up the back burner on this subject.
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:25:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Wait you just said Soraya Xel was qualified O_o
Well considering this is somewhat of a running joke; Soraya is trying to be the next Nova Knife appearantly.
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Posted - 2014.11.14 03:18:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:KenKaniff69 wrote:70 kills this month, 7k WP?
I'm sorry but you can't tackle something like this without extensive time playing the game and some decent SP into vehicles/AV.
Like I said though, most of the dedicated vehicle pilots are gone or could just careless. Can't play this game and CPM heavily at the same time. Also ever taken into account I may have alts? If you feel that game play = qualifications then you should hit up CPM Zatara; whom by the way constantly hits me up for help when it comes to things similar to this. So I have input on the sidearms as well :P on what roles they should play out, Zatara is better than he doubts himself to be though at it. Secondly; I could choose to ignore and let vehicles continue to suffer, letting a more qualified CPMs such as Sorya Xel nerf them to oblivion along with not getting a look at them pushed until far as long as next year even; or I could get fed input from very qualified pilots and AV infantry to make best use of the information presented and start heading towards a more sensible direction using input to formulate very strong arguments, goals, and direction instead of mindless disdain for the whole Vehicle environment. And don't cry to CPM Judge about this; it will be on deaf ears. CPM Cross and SMB are next best bets to follow up on as the others are busy with their own things. Heck far as I am seeing things they're all distracted and I am the only one trying to heat up the back burner on this subject. Let's see your alts and tell me what they are specced into. This omni soldier BS might be why you are clueless when it comes to just about everything in this game short of sketch work of things that will never be here. I personally frown upon zatara at times for not playing, but unlike a lot of people he has the experience and tends to cap every week. He also is not afraid to challenge CCP's ideal way of thinking with realistic goals based on real input. I noticed you brought up Judge ( AKA Mr "Oh Noes I have been nerfed, fix nao!" ). I wouldn't even waste my time with him. If you want feedback, squad up with pilots who are fully invested in their roles. Go for a ride with them and have a talk. Then go run AV with players who are fully specced into it. That's the best way to get information.
I have squadded with pilots; most of them are no where near as whiney. Just depressed.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.11.14 03:53:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:
In fact, I don't believe the first part of that statement at all.
That's all right I don't have to believe you either. We can all make believe.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:05:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:instead of placeholder models why not just use the models ccp already has? they were shown along with the racial suits at fanfest 2013 so i can't imagine they should be too far away from being a valid ingame model by now.
cant be too hard to allow them to follow same fitting patterns as the suits we have too but we just run the risk of the minmatar HAV being ridiculously OP with the current state of Anti-Shield based AV. an HAV with dual tank but with the speed that matari stuff generally has will make it a nightmare.
They're not complete and I don't think we have resources on hand to finish them. If baby steps leads to a greater need we could somehow justify the needs. Though its my opinion.
I will be writing a fuller document on feedback and presenting pain points and solutions from both combined community and cpm inputs.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.11.16 22:23:00 -
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I am throwing together a document that is going to be a bit comprehensive over the entire environment I am estimating its going to be around possibly 30-40 pages. ( I blame spreadsheets)
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.11.17 01:06:00 -
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Added question 17.
Should our Vehicle play model focus on slower cycles (High HP; Low Speed; Low Repairability)
or
Remain as is? (TTK similar to that of infantry)
Why?
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Posted - 2014.11.17 05:22:00 -
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Pokey Darvon's Contribution
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=180729
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Posted - 2014.11.17 07:26:00 -
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DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:i dont give a **** because im infantry lolololol
Hello infantry; let me hear your screams as I run over you head and crush it like a tomato can.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.11.17 12:04:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:i dont give a **** because im infantry lolololol Hello infantry; let me hear your screams as I run over you head and crush it like a tomato can. Some freindly advice here, you're not one of us, Trying to be is a bit embarassing and dare i say it cringe worthy. "How could i know? that maybe you have alts or something" Because all of your posts prior to this thread and especially including it make it painfully obvious. Its akin to saying "I love footbal, i've usually manage to hit a home run at the 18th hole. Man, Arsenal are having a great time at the Superbowl or what?"Just at least be as straitforward as rattati is, who vociferously admits he doesn't know the slightest thing about vehicles and is not planning to learn, to the point of taking offense at being offered a ride in a dropship. Stop the B.S and try to build some trust.
I had written something long but felt it would have been wasted effort and on deaf ears.
I am just a simple player
I just want to have fun playing.
If that means hopping in a tank or running a suicide plasma cannon bomber I want the game to be fun and not frustrated by every little stupid thing that makes this game unenjoyable. Vehicles are currently top of my list of 'least enjoyable things to do in this game.'
Also the analogy you're looking for is Fantasy Football vs real football.
Playing Baseball in a hockey rink is one of my specialities.
I am just saying if you (well not you specifically but various other vehicle pilots that are just going to stand by and be wall flowers in this conversation) don't want to interact with the CPM trying to get things done, that is your prerogative. I will not force you to feed me information. I mean if vehicle pilots feel strongly about me doing this; I am waiting for another CPM member to start having shouting contests with on who's more right on the subject, and sadly and still am currently unopposed. Xel would probably start to speak up soon as I mention anything involving a buff to vehicles though.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.11.17 16:44:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
I had written something long but felt it would have been wasted effort and on deaf ears.
I am just a simple player
I just want to have fun playing.
Also the analogy you're looking for is Fantasy Football vs real football.
Playing Baseball in a hockey rink is one of my specialities.
No my analogy was apt. Maybe yours was a little bit better, as in having no clue what you are saying/doing yet pretending you are doing it right. Save me the bull on the 'sadly i am currently unopposed.' I do consider the Judge to be a good friend, and I know exactly what your reaction was to his current situation. Spare me. Keep it simple. Don't throw in B.S assumtions like ADS godmode/logi ds useless in your questionaire. Don't assume things you never touched in dust to be useless. Collect data. Dont troll in other threads. None of the things here will be tested before release. So of couse i'm going to treat one of the only 2 cpms to rant, troll and BS about vehicles taking in ''balance advice'' with a massive grain of salt.
I would consider it a miracle if you can get judge to slap my hand.
Also as Omni I have touched about everything before.
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Posted - 2014.11.17 21:41:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Have you looked into Pokey Dravon's thread about Vehicle rebalances yet.
I think we just sorted out a propositions for vehicle base hull Hp value and module slots for HAV. Numbers were approved by AVers since they don't push up total EHP over 10K, if the thread continues LAV and ADS are next on the block for HP discussions.
I certainly don't agree on most of your ideas on HAV direction.......but that was one **** off sound and reasonable post.
Pokey Darvon approached me yesterday and he's willing to help out so I look forward to it.
His placeholder idea has been met with mixed feelings but I am sure if a strong enough case is presented it can be made so and hopefully that will be the first domino to get the unique models in going.
As for other things he is more than willing to help out when I talked about it last night but right now i am still rigging the document up...
So far based on my usual ongoings. This is beginning to look like a 50 page + ordeal and will need a table of contents.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.11.17 22:01:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:
Have you looked into Pokey Dravon's thread about Vehicle rebalances yet.
I think we just sorted out a propositions for vehicle base hull Hp value and module slots for HAV. Numbers were approved by AVers since they don't push up total EHP over 10K, if the thread continues LAV and ADS are next on the block for HP discussions.
I certainly don't agree on most of your ideas on HAV direction.......but that was one **** off sound and reasonable post.
Pokey Darvon approached me yesterday and he's willing to help out so I look forward to it. His placeholder idea has been met with mixed feelings but I am sure if a strong enough case is presented it can be made so and hopefully that will be the first domino to get the unique models in going. As for other things he is more than willing to help out when I talked about it last night but right now i am still rigging the document up... So far based on my usual ongoings. This is beginning to look like a 50 page + ordeal and will need a table of contents. I'm considering bringing up the concept of Marauders as Infantry Tanks (designed to move at the speed of an infantry squad for direct support) and Enforcers as Self Propelled Gun Batteries.
Added that as a possibility.
The erroneous 1.8 tanks were very fun with the militia nitros while it lasted.
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Posted - 2014.11.20 00:29:00 -
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Update on the document; its at 50 pages now and drawing some art for it; will be getting public draft soon.
Just need to stop getting distracted by the 3 ring scanners, the bandwidth and whatever else ccp rattati might announce.
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Posted - 2014.11.21 00:40:00 -
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Sigh once again more work as brought up; sorry for the delays but this one is a bit more time critical to get done with first but I am excited to see it eventually shared.
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Posted - 2014.11.22 19:07:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sigh once again more work as brought up; sorry for the delays but this one is a bit more time critical to get done with first but I am excited to see it eventually shared. Time critical?
https://twitter.com/IronWolfSaber/status/536088497078009856
a source of another but related delay; vehicles getting shifted back another week at this rate ><
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Posted - 2014.11.22 19:08:00 -
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Haerr wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sigh once again more work as brought up; sorry for the delays but this one is a bit more time critical to get done with first but I am excited to see it eventually shared. wait is the vehicle stuff you are writing going to be shared or the cpm assignement you got?
vehicle stuff I am writing as that seems to have much less of a time critical window (its number 2 after the cpm nda stuff though atm which may not get shared until its more ready)
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Posted - 2014.11.27 19:14:00 -
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For the love of amarr please stop distracting me everything else
Soon as I am getting one thing out of the way get hit up for stuff involving suit colors ><
http://i.imgur.com/vHzbNgf.jpg
Then Thanksgiving (happy holidays everyone)
Then Bamms tin foilery causing more questions than answers which is the exact opposite of what facts to but very much what speculation causes.
Anyways I haven't forgotten still gathering notes and what not just need to get stuff
More good stuff is on the way for you from other sources though just not specifically for vehicle pilots yet.
As always CPM Cross Atu is also working on specific vehicle feedback as well on his own project hit him up as well with your ideas and the sorts.
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Posted - 2014.11.27 19:22:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I don't believe Rat is capable of doing anything but making the vehicle experience worse for pilots.
If he proves me wrong, so be it, but hope is a fools errand when it comes to vehicles.
Well at least he can try. I don't think he has seriously tried yet.
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Posted - 2014.11.27 20:07:00 -
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I would like to see active modules make a return and concurrent with passive ones.
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Posted - 2014.12.04 05:59:00 -
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Sorry back at it looking to be about 60 pages when done; letting more folks take a look at it though these days. Ask nicely on skype and I may let you peek.
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