DUST Search - CCP Frame, what is an agreeable threshold for buying AUR with ISK

Jadek Menaheim wrote:

Please consider the following if this is working as intended.
I will be curious to see if you figure out and change what market items I am talking about.

The current meta allows a player to buy 4.5 Million ISK with a $4.99, 10k AUR pack, by purchasing and reselling very particular items in the store (with Jara Kumora's help of course Blink

). An equivalent number of these items would be valued at 51000 LP from the faction store. If a starting player bought 12k AUR to stack 3 one month faction boosters (earning a minimum 2500 LP per match), this individual could amass the needed 51k LP amount in 20 FW wins.

An FW match will take anywhere from 35 minutes to an 50 minutes to complete with disparities in queue times, war barge wait, and match time. Assuming worst case scenario this would take a player 16 hours to grind. These times improve as players rise in FW rank. At its core, the concept of grinding FW for this long to make money becomes very pointless when you can make way more ISK running pubs or PC matches in a similar amount of time. New and Rookie players can earn around 1 million to 1.5 million ISK per hour and veterans involved in Planetary Conquest can earn that equivalent per match (that's obviously before accounting match resource losses).

I understand you have nerfed the sell back prices of various items pre release to 1.9. I am curious if you will nerf further or address disparity in the value of AUR and LP pricing to an ISK equivalent.

P.S. As a side note, current escrow agents such as Kain Spero or Gyn Wallace who trade EVE isk for Dust ISK have historically offered much stronger exchange rates for 'buying' ISK in EVE rather than purchasing AUR packs for ISK in Dust. It is much more economically sensible to buy and sell a plex in EVE. These rates will change as traditional passive income sources from Planetary Conquest or farming alt accounts begin to dwindle at some point in the future (it will take a while).

P.P.S. Bonus points and ISK for the first person that guesses which items gives you the best (current) sell back value. This means AUR to ISK buy/sell ratio.

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Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4229	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:57:00 - [1] - Quote Please consider the following if this is working as intended. I will be curious to see if you figure out and change what I am talking about. The current meta allows a player to buy 4.5 Million ISK with a $4.99, 10k AUR pack, by purchasing and reselling very particular items in the store (with Jara Kumora's help of course ). An equivalent number of these items would be valued at 51000 LP from the faction store. If a player player bought 12k AUR to stack 3 one month faction boosters (earning a minimum 2500 LP per match), this player could amass the needed 51k LP amount in 20 FW wins. An FW match will take anywhere from 35 minutes to an 50 minutes to complete with disparities in queue times, war barge wait, and match time. Assuming worst case scenario this would take a player 16 hours to grind. These times improve as players rise in FW rank. I understand you have nerfed the sell back prices of various items pre release to 1.9. I am curious if you will nerf further or address disparity in the value of AUR pricing to an ISK equivalent. P.S. As a side note, current escrow agents such as Kain Spero or Gyn Wallace who trade EVE isk for Dust ISK have historically offered much stronger exchange rates than buy ISK in Dust. It is much more economically sensible to buy and sell a plex in EVE. These rates will change as traditional passive income sources from Planetary Conquest or farming alt accounts begin to dwindle at some point in the future (it will take a while). P.P.S. Bonus points for the first person that guesses which items gives you the best (current) sell back value. Yep, we're going to spoil the fun. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4231	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:27:00 - [2] - Quote If you're at a loss for what the magic item is, dive into the Item Codex if you don't have access to your PS3 and search for something expensive. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Not Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 340	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:52:00 - [3] - Quote You could charge people ISK to let them in on this little secret of yours Jadek. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4231	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:54:00 - [4] - Quote Not Jadek Menaheim wrote: You could charge people ISK to let them in on this little secret of yours Jadek. No, but I will give the first person who figures it out the ISK value of the item. Happy hunting forum warriors. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 590	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:58:00 - [5] - Quote Really. Only 4 Million for 5 dollars.. You know 5 dollars gets you 200 million in eve Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4231	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:00:00 - [6] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Really. Only 4 Million for 5 dollars.. You know 5 dollars gets you 200 million in eve That's why I said it's better to buy it in EVE then go through an exchange service to bring it Dust side. Also the amount gained will be worse if CCP becomes wise and reduces the isk value of these special AUR items, which have so far avoided the market nerf bat. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1829	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:06:00 - [7] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Please consider the following if this is working as intended. I will be curious to see if you figure out and change what market items I am talking about. The current meta allows a player to buy 4.5 Million ISK with a $4.99, 10k AUR pack, by purchasing and reselling very particular items in the store (with Jara Kumora's help of course ). An equivalent number of these items would be valued at 51000 LP from the faction store. If a starting player bought 12k AUR to stack 3 one month faction boosters (earning a minimum 2500 LP per match), this individual could amass the needed 51k LP amount in 20 FW wins. An FW match will take anywhere from 35 minutes to an 50 minutes to complete with disparities in queue times, war barge wait, and match time. Assuming worst case scenario this would take a player 16 hours to grind. These times improve as players rise in FW rank. At its core, the concept of grinding FW for this long to make money becomes very pointless when you can make way more ISK running pubs or PC matches in a similar amount of time. New and Rookie players can earn around 1 million to 1.5 million ISK per hour and veterans involved in Planetary Conquest can earn that equivalent per match (that's obviously before accounting match resource losses). I understand you have nerfed the sell back prices of various items pre release to 1.9. I am curious if you will nerf further or address disparity in the value of AUR and LP pricing to an ISK equivalent. P.S. As a side note, current escrow agents such as Kain Spero or Gyn Wallace who trade EVE isk for Dust ISK have historically offered much stronger exchange rates for 'buying' ISK in EVE rather than purchasing AUR packs for ISK in Dust. It is much more economically sensible to buy and sell a plex in EVE. These rates will change as traditional passive income sources from Planetary Conquest or farming alt accounts begin to dwindle at some point in the future (it will take a while). P.P.S. Bonus points and ISK for the first person that guesses which items gives you the best (current) sell back value. This means AUR to ISK buy/sell ratio. maybe for an isk sink maybe 5mill per 1k aur? [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1829	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:08:00 - [8] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Really. Only 4 Million for 5 dollars.. You know 5 dollars gets you 200 million in eve in eve you can get 30m+ isk for 20 to 30 mins work so the cost is vastly different vs dust. ps. atleast we know who RMT's now in here.. hint.. its you. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4232	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:12:00 - [9] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: Really. Only 4 Million for 5 dollars.. You know 5 dollars gets you 200 million in eve in eve you can get 30m+ isk for 20 to 30 mins work so the cost is vastly different vs dust. ps. atleast we know who RMT's now in here.. hint.. its you. I think he means the equivalent in plex, which is about to 900m right now. He didn't infer, buy this paperclip for $5 and get complimentary 200 m ISK. Also Za'ki, I'm taking about buying ISK with AUR items, not getting AUR in an ISK sink although the idea is interesting, but very exploitable and harmful to CCP's bottom line. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 591	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:28:00 - [10] - Quote I don't see how it's any different then plexing.. how much isk is required for a PC battle? Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.

CLONE117 True Pros Forever 871	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:30:00 - [11] - Quote id like to buy aur with isk.... that way theres no massive grind for those apex fits. Clone117:MLT specialist. Translation:dont mess with me or you lose... what ever it is you had on you at the time.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4233	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:32:00 - [12] - Quote 50 million ISK now. So pony up a little over $55 and you've bought one clone pack. Be the whale you've always wanted to be. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4233	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:33:00 - [13] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: id like to buy aur with isk.... that way theres no massive grind for those apex fits. That would need to entail an ISK or full assets reset first. Are you fine with that? Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 593	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:40:00 - [14] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: 50 million ISK now. So pony up a little over $55 and you've bought one clone pack. Be the whale you've always wanted to be. Don't forget to pay for the 15 ringers to do the PC. Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Posted: 2014.11.12 21:08 in eve you can get 30m+ isk for 20 to 30 mins work so the cost is vastly different vs dust. ps. atleast we know who RMT's now in here.. hint.. its you. Your also undocking and risking a lot more isk then you are in Dust. Show me a 1.0 system your safe in from Gankers and making 30m+ isk. LOL, <3 the RTM comment. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
Not Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 341	Posted - 2014.11.12 21:43:00 - [15] - Quote Still no guess as to what those items in the store are? Jadek said he's giving away ISK for the answer. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4235	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:00:00 - [16] - Quote @Not Jadek Menaheim The clUe is wRitten Right insidE This poSt Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Ralis Sharn Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 7	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:38:00 - [17] - Quote Vehicle turrets sell for a lot..... Dust player since July 2012 Alt: Sylvan Snow
Supernus Gigas The Cooked Goose Coalition 959	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:53:00 - [18] - Quote Well after spending like 20 minutes trying to figured out what it was, and then being wrong, and then eating a sandwich and some cream puffs, I think I got it. I almost thought I stumbled onto something worth even more ISK for the AUR, but when I go to sell the 'Remnant IX' Logi mk.0 I get ISK only for the dropsuit itself and none of it's attached items. Which is good, cause that'd be around 6.3 million ISK for 10K Aurum if you got the ISK value of everything on the' Remnant IX' Logi. After looking around a bit more I realized it's so much simpler. It's Prototype Large Vehicle Turrets. 10K Aurum at 300 Aurum per turret gets you 33 turrets. 33 * 281,955 ISK per turret = 9,304,515 ISK 9,304,515 ISK * .50 max re-sell rate = 4,652,257 ISK EDIT: Well now I look stupid, I swear I figured it all out before that extremely subtle hint. I started making the reply before they were there, I swear on me mum. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVING CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4237	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:33:00 - [19] - Quote Supernus Gigas wrote: Well after spending like 20 minutes trying to figured out what it was, and then being wrong, and then eating a sandwich and some cream puffs, I think I got it. I almost thought I stumbled onto something worth even more ISK for the AUR, but when I go to sell the 'Remnant IX' Logi mk.0 I get ISK only for the dropsuit itself and none of it's attached items. Which is good, cause that'd be around 6.3 million ISK for 10K Aurum if you got the ISK value of everything on the' Remnant IX' Logi. After looking around a bit more I realized it's so much simpler. It's Prototype Large Vehicle Turrets. 10K Aurum at 300 Aurum per turret gets you 33 turrets. 33 * 281,955 ISK per turret = 9,304,515 ISK 9,304,515 ISK * .50 max re-sell rate = 4,652,257 ISK EDIT: Well now I look stupid, I swear I figured it all out before that extremely subtle hint. I started making the reply before they were there, I swear on me mum. Not quite, but your reply is good enough for government ISK. I'll send it on latter tonight. Think Smaller. 10K Aurum at 100 Aurum per turret gets you 100 turrets Small Prototype Vehicle Turrets. Base Turret Price = 105,735 ISK 100 * 105,735 ISK = 10,573,500 ISK 10,573,500 *.50 max re-sell = 5,286,750 ISK Oops. My initial math was wrong. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Hakyou Brutor Capital Acquisitions LLC 1575	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:36:00 - [20] - Quote Well, I know the second question... but I really don't see the first question... all I see is a ton of text in which no questions were asked. Knight Soiaire = my bae

Ralis Sharn Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 8	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:43:00 - [21] - Quote Buying the Federation 80GJ blaster and selling it is a decent method for making Isk with Lp. Dust player since July 2012 Alt: Sylvan Snow
Hakyou Brutor Capital Acquisitions LLC 1577	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:46:00 - [22] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: @Not Jadek Menaheim The clUe is wRitten Right insidE This poSt Ralis Sharn wrote: Buying the Federation 80GJ Blaster and selling it is a decent method for making Isk with Lp. You don't say? Knight Soiaire = my bae
Ralis Sharn Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 8	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:49:00 - [23] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: @Not Jadek Menaheim The clUe is wRitten Right insidE This poSt Ralis Sharn wrote: Buying the Federation 80GJ Blaster and selling it is a decent method for making Isk with Lp. You don't say? I was under the impression he was referring to buying turrets with Aurum? If this was not the case, my apologies for posting. Dust player since July 2012 Alt: Sylvan Snow
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4237	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:58:00 - [24] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Well, I know the second question... but I really don't see the first question... all I see is a ton of text in which no questions were asked. Yeah, it's kind of a word vomit. I am making an observation that if a player wants to buy ISK by purchasing and selling AUR weapons, the best way to go is buying Small Prototype Turrets. It appears CCP tried to preemptively reduce people's ability to buy ISK by cutting the ISK value of AUR Weapons and Dropsuits in half (before selling them back) Take for example the base price values of these regular and aur variant items. This is all from the SDE. Scout ck.0 = 57690 ISK 'Neo' Scout ck.0 = 35250 ISK; sold for 50 AUR Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle = 47220 ISK 'Crawtide' Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle = 28845 ISK 20GJ Particle Cannon = 74015 ISK 'Martyr' 20GJ Particle Cannon = 105735 ISK; sold for 100 AUR Federation 20GJ Ion Cannon = 105735 ISK; sold for 510 LP + ISK We can see that the price of the normal variant is less than either the AUR or LP equivalent. Besides being a bug and correction that CCP didn't get to it leads me to ask the questions, does CCP want players to be able to buy ISK by with the use of AUR items? and How much do they want players to be able to get out of these transactions by pumping money directly into the game? Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4237	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:59:00 - [25] - Quote Ralis Sharn wrote: Buying the Federation 80GJ blaster and selling it is a decent method for making Isk with Lp. I may have mixed this up, but how much is the LP cost of those turrets? (I'm away from PS3 at the moment) Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Ralis Sharn Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 10	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:04:00 - [26] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Ralis Sharn wrote: Buying the Federation 80GJ blaster and selling it is a decent method for making Isk with Lp. I may have mixed this up, but how much is the LP cost of those turrets? (I'm away from PS3 at the moment) They cost 150lp and 7,200 ISK Dust player since July 2012 Alt: Sylvan Snow
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4237	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:07:00 - [27] - Quote Ralis Sharn wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Ralis Sharn wrote: Buying the Federation 80GJ blaster and selling it is a decent method for making Isk with Lp. I may have mixed this up, but how much is the LP cost of those turrets? (I'm away from PS3 at the moment) 150 I believe Oh maybe I was looking at large turrets. In that case Gallente FW for the win! Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 4240	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:48:00 - [28] - Quote Ralis Sharn wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Ralis Sharn wrote: Buying the Federation 80GJ blaster and selling it is a decent method for making Isk with Lp. I may have mixed this up, but how much is the LP cost of those turrets? (I'm away from PS3 at the moment) They cost 150lp and 7,200 ISK Okay, had a chance to check those out. [Standard] Federation 80GJ blaster level large turret. -Full ISK = 64,305 ISK -Cost: 150 LP + 7,200 ISK [Proto] Federation 80GJ Ion Cannon. -Full ISK = 281,955 -Cost: 1105 LP + 66,360 ISK However, I noticed something on the Caldari Loyalty Market which shows you LP prices are broken [Proto] State XT-201 Missile Launcher Full ISK = 281,955 Cost: 535 LP + 66,360 ISK After running the math the difference in return for selling [Proto] Caldari turrets is about 500k more than selling [STD] Gallente Blaster Turrets. If you can organize squads to win Caldari faction matches you stand the most to gain from item sell back currently as a Caldari player. Turrets are the best things to sell right now. Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
Immortal John Ripper 25585	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:49:00 - [29] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: P.P.S. Bonus points and ISK for the first person that guesses which items gives you the best (current) sell back value. This means AUR to ISK buy/sell ratio. my autograph For every like I receive, a starving minmatar child is denied a taco.
General John Ripper 27339	Posted - 2014.11.13 06:49:00 - [30] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: P.P.S. Bonus points and ISK for the first person that guesses which items gives you the best (current) sell back value. This means AUR to ISK buy/sell ratio. my autograph 404 Not found Kolibri.



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