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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:02:00 -
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The PROBO Dominus (amarr) sentinel is going to be a pain in the ass to deal with and even worse you don't even get the satisfaction of doing any harm to their wallet...
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Malleus Malificorum
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:03:00 -
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Maybe it's the fit. Maybe it's the fact that heavies are ridiculous.
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Immortal John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:03:00 -
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I see nothing wrong with this.
Master Race. o/
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Syeven Reed
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:05:00 -
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It's an upgrade from my templar and thats why ill use it! Side benefits are side benefits 
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Protocake JR
USA Caucasians
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:41:00 -
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Does anyone even really care about costing people money anymore?
For all you know the guy running BPOs or proto could have billions of isk. and it's either that or extremely cheap militia fits or free starter fits which also doesn't matter. |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:44:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Does anyone even really care about costing people money anymore?
Why do people care about isk at all? The only reason to care was the eve connection and well...  |
Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:44:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Does anyone even really care about costing people money anymore?
For all you know the guy running BPOs or proto could have billions of isk. and it's either that or extremely cheap militia fits or free starter fits which also doesn't matter.
Good point, we should implement fully customizable Proto BPOs. Actually, scratch that, let's just go ahead and let people buy Proto BPO Dropsuits, modules, equipment, weapons - hell, the whole line up.
Then we don't even have to worry about balance 
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Protocake JR
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:45:00 -
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Not what I was saying...
But since you brought that up, hypothetically, if everyone ran prototype bpo's, the game would be more balanced. |
Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:46:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Does anyone even really care about costing people money anymore?
Between that and winning what else is there?
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:50:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Not what I was saying...
But since you brought that up, hypothetically, if everyone ran prototype bpo's, the game would be more balanced.
Well, yeah, we tried to convince CCP of that ages ago but - yanno - no-one listened or no-one cared.
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Protocake JR
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:53:00 -
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Cyzad4 wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Does anyone even really care about costing people money anymore?
Between that and winning what else is there?
Fair competition and meaningful player engagements, i'd say. No one cares about isk in PC matches, where everyone runs proto. They also happen to be the most intense matches you'll ever play in this game with the amount of coordination and teamwork involved.
Costing someone money in pubs just doesn't really appeal to me anymore. It used to when I first got into this game, but there isn't any real consequence for having a bad pub match and losing a bunch of isk. I've been on both sides. |
Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:55:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Cyzad4 wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Does anyone even really care about costing people money anymore?
Between that and winning what else is there? Fair competition and meaningful player engagements, i'd say. No one cares about isk in PC matches, where everyone runs proto. They also happen to be the most intense matches you'll ever play in this game with the amount of coordination and teamwork involved. Costing someone money in pubs just doesn't really appeal to me anymore. It used to when I first got into this game, but there isn't any real consequence for having a bad pub match and losing a bunch of isk. I've been on both sides.
Bugs the **** out of me in FW, specifically, because of the Eve Online connection that -is- there.
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Protocake JR
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Posted - 2014.11.11 12:56:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Not what I was saying...
But since you brought that up, hypothetically, if everyone ran prototype bpo's, the game would be more balanced. Well, yeah, we tried to convince CCP of that ages ago but - yanno - no-one listened or no-one cared.
I don't know, I really think that the Free-to-play model is really holding this game back.
Or at least needs to be done much more differently. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:05:00 -
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Protocake JR wrote:Cyzad4 wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Does anyone even really care about costing people money anymore?
Between that and winning what else is there? Fair competition and meaningful player engagements, i'd say. No one cares about isk in PC matches, where everyone runs proto. They also happen to be the most intense matches you'll ever play in this game with the amount of coordination and teamwork involved. Costing someone money in pubs just doesn't really appeal to me anymore. It used to when I first got into this game, but there isn't any real consequence for having a bad pub match and losing a bunch of isk. I've been on both sides.
Look at the matches on patch day where payouts were huge. People played like their balls were on fire.
There's a fine line, but we've been on the table scraps side of ISK generation for a long time (unless a successful PC player).
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:15:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Good point, we should implement fully customizable Proto BPOs. Actually, scratch that, let's just go ahead and let people buy Proto BPO Dropsuits, modules, equipment, weapons - hell, the whole line up. Then we don't even have to worry about balance
I don't know how balance is not needed simply because you can't affect someone's wallet with a BPO. 
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:20:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:I don't know how balance is not needed simply because you can't affect someone's wallet with a BPO. ISK value plummets. The only real statistics that matter are K/Dr, not how efficiently you run fittings. Dust 514 took a step towards CoD or BF with this little update.
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:21:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Good point, we should implement fully customizable Proto BPOs. Actually, scratch that, let's just go ahead and let people buy Proto BPO Dropsuits, modules, equipment, weapons - hell, the whole line up. Then we don't even have to worry about balance I don't know how balance is not needed simply because you can't affect someone's wallet with a BPO.
That post was riddled with sarcasm and hyperbole.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:28:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Good point, we should implement fully customizable Proto BPOs. Actually, scratch that, let's just go ahead and let people buy Proto BPO Dropsuits, modules, equipment, weapons - hell, the whole line up. Then we don't even have to worry about balance I don't know how balance is not needed simply because you can't affect someone's wallet with a BPO. That post was riddled with sarcasm and hyperbole.
God dammit! 
B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:29:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:I don't know how balance is not needed simply because you can't affect someone's wallet with a BPO. ISK value plummets. The only real statistics that matter are K/Dr, not how efficiently you run fittings. Dust 514 took a step towards CoD or BF with this little update.
Isk value doesn't mean you still don't need to balance an hmg vs an ar....
isk is not and never has been a good balancing mechanic.
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:32:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:I don't know how balance is not needed simply because you can't affect someone's wallet with a BPO. ISK value plummets. The only real statistics that matter are K/Dr, not how efficiently you run fittings. Dust 514 took a step towards CoD or BF with this little update. Isk value doesn't mean you still don't need to balance an hmg vs an ar.... isk is not and never has been a good balancing mechanic.
So then why not just do us all the favor of removing it as a mechanic entirely...? I mean, come on now, what's the drive to even have it anymore?
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:33:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Isk value doesn't mean you still don't need to balance an hmg vs an ar....
isk is not and never has been a good balancing mechanic. I suppose not. This game was only connected to New Eden by name only anyway. No sense in giving it tangible loss similar to Eve Online.
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:37:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Isk value doesn't mean you still don't need to balance an hmg vs an ar....
isk is not and never has been a good balancing mechanic. I suppose not. This game was only connected to New Eden by name only anyway. No sense in giving it tangible loss similar to Eve Online. Onward to Modern Military Shooter mediocrity! Forward march!
Again, it's still connected to Eve Online in FW and PC. If those ties are cut, then we could do whatever we wanted to with Dust 514 and not have to worry about impacting the player economy in Eve Online.
Hell we might even be able to fully admit that Dust 514 is nothing more than a lobby shooter, the ISK doesn't matter, kill the standard/advanced BS and go straight to real balance at the Proto level with much less work and much more enjoyability on everyone's end. Advantages being given by longevity of play through skill levels rather than "I have more module slots and fitting capability so I automatically have an advantage."
But, yanno, that'll never happen because then who would kill the academy scrublets that keep getting **** out for us to rampantly slaughter?
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:46:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Hell we might even be able to fully admit that Dust 514 is nothing more than a lobby shooter, the ISK doesn't matter, kill the standard/advanced BS and go straight to real balance at the Proto level with much less work and much more enjoyability on everyone's end. Advantages being given by longevity of play through skill levels rather than "I have more module slots and fitting capability so I automatically have an advantage." Before this morning I probably would have argued with you on this point, but as of this proto BPO nonsense I say just make every module, dropsuit, and weapon proto and then balance from there. Their tiered approach has no payoff and ISK doesn't matter so why burden ourselves with it.
Aeon Amadi wrote:But, yanno, that'll never happen because then who would kill the academy scrublets that keep getting **** out for us to rampantly slaughter? CCP really hates new players. Like wow. It's borderline sadistic
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:47:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Hell we might even be able to fully admit that Dust 514 is nothing more than a lobby shooter, the ISK doesn't matter, kill the standard/advanced BS and go straight to real balance at the Proto level with much less work and much more enjoyability on everyone's end. Advantages being given by longevity of play through skill levels rather than "I have more module slots and fitting capability so I automatically have an advantage." Before this morning I probably would have argued with you on this point, but as of this proto BPO nonsense I say just make every module, dropsuit, and weapon proto and then balance from there. Their tiered approach has no payoff and ISK doesn't matter so why burden ourselves with it. Aeon Amadi wrote:But, yanno, that'll never happen because then who would kill the academy scrublets that keep getting **** out for us to rampantly slaughter? CCP really hates new players. Like wow. It's borderline sadistic
Lmfao, people are still going to argue that it's somehow okay despite there being nothing okay about it. It's a prototype BPO, it doesn't matter what the hell it's fit with it's a -Proto BPO-...
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:47:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:I don't know how balance is not needed simply because you can't affect someone's wallet with a BPO. ISK value plummets. The only real statistics that matter are K/Dr, not how efficiently you run fittings. Dust 514 took a step towards CoD or BF with this little update.
perfect that means were getting closer to legion and they are trying to keep us alive with it yay thanks rattati. |
NextDark Knight
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:53:00 -
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One step closer to the ****** legion system they announced at fanfest.
For all you haters of the Eve connection... We would get SO much more dev support if we had a proper eve connection. CCP forgot it's RTS element when moving forward with the game.
Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.11.11 13:58:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:One step closer to the ****** legion system they announced at fanfest.
For all you haters of the Eve connection... We would get SO much more dev support if we had a proper eve connection. CCP forgot it's RTS element when moving forward with the game.
Legion system made a hell of a lot more sense then Dust 514's did...
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.11 15:52:00 -
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lol if you think:
a) a meaningful connection to eve will ever exist
b) isk will somehow ~matter~
c) legion will be more than CoD ~in space~ |
Mobius Wyvern
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.11 16:09:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Protocake JR wrote:Not what I was saying...
But since you brought that up, hypothetically, if everyone ran prototype bpo's, the game would be more balanced. Well, yeah, we tried to convince CCP of that ages ago but - yanno - no-one listened or no-one cared.
That was the whole point of Tiericide.
You remove suit tiers and have the PRO stats be the only ones, and just have the suit skill effect your bonuses.
If you combine that with putting some bonuses on the Basic Frames, you almost eliminate the ludicrous power-creep we have right now.
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.11.11 16:23:00 -
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Sigberct Amni wrote:lol if you think:
a) a meaningful connection to eve will ever exist
b) isk will somehow ~matter~
c) legion will be more than CoD ~in space~
Mother ****er it's not even -in space-.
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