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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:02:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:
Let's not forget the purpose of the scout (buried under a mountain of hate right now) is to recon and share passives with their squad. Lowering their PG and CPU restricts their ability to go beyond that role without removing it outright. And bonuses to fitting optimization
Dude no. This has never been (at least as long as I've played which is since open beta) the role of the scout, regardless of how anyone would seek to define that word.
Do you think anyone is gonna run scout if that's all it can do? I appreciate you and others trying to come up with ideas to resolve the issue, but don't mis-inform and attempt to put your own definition on what a role should be able to do whilst you're at it.
It's really not that long since scout was the under-performing role across the board in every conceivable way, and that state of affairs lasted for a **** ******* long time. You only need to go back to 1.6 I believe. 1.8 ****** scouts up in totally the opposite direction and made them totally OP. We've not been able to recover from that because of fanfest and no more development.
We're gradually getting there now (I think?) but exacerbating the issue is the fact that there was a dropsuit command respec for 1.8 and the FotM was the scout. Everyone still likely has one or two proto scout suits. If's a sorry state of affairs, but please don't fill the new player's heads with ideas of what a scout never was. Ta :)
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:09:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:the min scout can be get back lost cpu by reducing the CPU cost of Nova Knives per level of Minmatar Scout.
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a Min scout can get it's CPU back like the other scouts, fitting enhancers and dampeners.
Hope you can excuse the paraphrasing.
You said you run Min scout. Proto? I only run advanced min scout when I do. CPU is not the issue, PG is. I don't know if proto is different, but my min scout is not wanting more CPU, only PG
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:24:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Kaeru Nayiri wrote:
Let's not forget the purpose of the scout (buried under a mountain of hate right now) is to recon and share passives with their squad. Lowering their PG and CPU restricts their ability to go beyond that role without removing it outright. And bonuses to fitting optimization
complains about the suggestion that scouts aren't combat oriented Your post looked good but you never got to the part where you explained how to fix it. You can't just say "YOU'RE WRONG" and then leave without constructive criticism. I understand Scouts were bad before, I don't want them to go back to that. Our primary goal should be to eliminate the "light assault". It actually doesn't even matter what each others' opinions on the role is, the whole point of the sandbox is that you can define your own role. The issue for now, though, is that the scout does something better in every aspect compared to assault.
I never intended to - I just wanted to correct you and inform others that scouts have never been a non-combat role. There's been plenty of suggestions for fixes since 1.8 came out, many from far better analysts than me.
The light assault being better than an assault has been the topic of "how to fix" for months in the Scout Registry thread. It's not new, and I am in total agreement with you on fixing that ****. Without a command respec, measuring the effect of hotfixes A, B, C and D as well as 1.9 and numerous other stealth and quick fixes is pretty tough - how long does it take for those guys that went from AR-514 to Scout-514 to go back to AR-514, if that is indeed what they want to do?
Maybe before more fixes we should ask CCP if they can offer another command respec just to see how many of us ditch scout for something else. Not gonna happen methinks.
[edit] oh and hey, no hostility inferred, sorry if i came off as brash, what you said made my eyes bleed ;-)
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:46:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:
I realize this is just my perception, but I am certain that there are even MORE scouts now since 1.9 than before. The purchasable respec has seen take even more assaults away and added more scouts to the pile.
To be clear all things in Dust are for combat. I am not saying my view of the scout is a non-combat role. However I do believe that a scout's main role is to support his squad. Whether that is hacking wayward, undefended objectives, relaying enemy positions or taking out an enemy logi before an attack. Like I said though, my opinion on the matter doesn't mean ANYTHING because sandbox.
If that's the case, then it's still just as broke. Be good if CCP showed some numbers but likelihood is they will attempt to get feedback and / or fix it if that's happened.
I also solo most of the time, and nothing like ghosting an objective, and generally trying to help the team, whether that's getting an uplink down to change the flow or whatever, but shared scans is not something I offer up. That mechanic too is **** (IMHO) and was also stealthed in way back. Now they can't remove it LOL.
Anyway, pretty sure I'm killing more non-scouts than scouts atm. If I get killed by something I didn't see, I up the EWAR and attempt to not let it happen again.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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