DUST Search - Stomping from the stomper's perspective..

Vesta Opalus wrote:

Vlad Rostok wrote:

Vesta Opalus wrote:

I'd like to see a Militia/STD only queue, and all the new players would be automatically shunted into it. You couldnt run anything better than STD in it regardless of your skill levels. New players need a real long term solution to keep them from having to work on basic skills while being stomped on by prototype squads.

Yes squads full of stompers can still queue and play STD league but at least it would be fair at a fundamental gear level, so the reason the newbies die will never be "that guy had literally 4 times my health even though we are both using assault suits".

It's more than gear, though. Skilled players, particularly those with a lot of skill points, will always vastly outperform newer, less able and less skill pointed players regardless of gear level.

Create an alt and go into an academy battle. You'll see a few players at the top of the leaderboard (on either side) by a wide margin. These are people who have already been playing Dust for a while, know the maps, know some tactics and are just "trolling noobs for the lulz" and they're doing it in MLT gear with low SP.

Yes, I understand that, and even addressed it in the post you replied to.

Simple fact is its easier to learn and figure out why you are getting wrecked if you have the same general level of gear as your competition vs. being completely reamed out every few seconds because your enemy has 3x more health and 25% more damage + whatever other advantages in scanning/dampening/logistics they can get.

The point would be to make it easier on new players to figure out how to play without having to deal with the overwhelming bullshit they are now subject to even in the academy (people who know what they are doing can put together solid advanced fits right out of the gate that will stomp the **** out of militia starter fits).

I think most people can agree that the Academy doesnt work even if it is a step in the right direction. Why not make the equivalent of high security space in Dust by making contracts that only allow Standard gear to be used?

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al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 179	Posted - 2014.11.10 11:35:00 - [1] - Quote For the first time I can remember - I was part of an extreme protostomp. Doing the stomping you understand. I'm sure I've been in stomps before but never quite so blatant. I've got to be honest I thought it would be fantastically funny and that I would feel like I'd earned the right to laugh maniacally due to the work I've put in to g even slightly g. But actually I felt a bit embarrassed and kind of bad for the victims. Didn't stop me blasting them to bits of course but you take my point.... GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 362	Posted - 2014.11.10 11:57:00 - [2] - Quote you get any hatemail from one of these type dudes -> Something like "protostomping in pubs ruins the games for new players and is a classless act."
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 179	Posted - 2014.11.10 12:03:00 - [3] - Quote hold that wrote: you get any hatemail from one of these type dudes -> Something like "protostomping in pubs ruins the games for new players and is a classless act." No hatemail as I was way down the list. But it did feel entirely classless. Also if you compare the simple entertainment value of stomping a team of newbs to actually fighting for the victory there is no contest. fighting an even battle = watching The Raid involved in a stomping = watching Speed 2 GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1328	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:38:00 - [4] - Quote An even match is much more fun imo. I've been on both sides as well and it sucks to be stomped, but can't really say I had lots of fun stomping either, was kinda uneventful tbh. /c DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1780	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:48:00 - [5] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: For the first time I can remember - I was part of an extreme protostomp. Doing the stomping you understand. I'm sure I've been in stomps before but never quite so blatant. I've got to be honest I thought it would be fantastically funny and that I would feel like I'd earned the right to laugh maniacally due to the work I've put in to g even slightly g. But actually I felt a bit embarrassed and kind of bad for the victims. Didn't stop me blasting them to bits of course but you take my point.... proto stomping just dosnt feel challenging.. that first day nov 4th when people were getting mad isk left and right and everyone was running proto.. the battles were amazing and intense! because people who couldnt normally afford to run proto were running proto to combat other proto players and the level of fun was at an all time high so was the amount of players and matches. but after ccp "fixed" the isk everything went to hell again.. more so for low ranked people (like me) who seem to be getting between 50k and 100k less isk then what i got back in 1.8 which just makes even running advanced quite a hard thing to do against proto stomper squads.. while the high rankers (p2w) get a huge buff to isk gains. as for proto and squads.. squads are pretty much synonymous with proto stomping as players feel safer running proto so they are more likely to run proto while in a squad. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1780	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:49:00 - [6] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: hold that wrote: you get any hatemail from one of these type dudes -> Something like "protostomping in pubs ruins the games for new players and is a classless act." No hatemail as I was way down the list. But it did feel entirely classless. Also if you compare the simple entertainment value of stomping a team of newbs to actually fighting for the victory there is no contest. fighting an even battle = watching The Raid involved in a stomping = watching Speed 2 naw id equate protostomping to watching judge dredd mowing down badguys in DREDD [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 179	Posted - 2014.11.10 13:53:00 - [7] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: as for proto and squads.. squads are pretty much synonymous with proto stomping as players feel safer running proto so they are more likely to run proto while in a squad. although I'm at proto level sp wise I literally never run proto suits - only ever advanced. proto is too expensive and I would go bust pretty quickly.. if there was no gain to the advanced dropsuit per level I would respect and not bother with prototype suits - just the weapons. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 471	Posted - 2014.11.10 14:03:00 - [8] - Quote For me I would MUCH rather lose a good battle than win by a total stomp, it's just boring as ****. Like the dom game yesterday, we cloned them out with something like 120 left in our pool. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 181	Posted - 2014.11.10 16:44:00 - [9] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: naw id equate protostomping to watching judge dredd mowing down badguys in DREDD I was literally just talking about Dredd to someone at work. Shameful as it is - I preferred the Stallone version... GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5015	Posted - 2014.11.10 16:49:00 - [10] - Quote Here's some great gameplay of what it's like to protostomp a whole bunch of redberries: http://youtu.be/3QD2vewUpkA 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4494	Posted - 2014.11.10 17:15:00 - [11] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: hold that wrote: you get any hatemail from one of these type dudes -> Something like "protostomping in pubs ruins the games for new players and is a classless act." No hatemail as I was way down the list. But it did feel entirely classless. Also if you compare the simple entertainment value of stomping a team of newbs to actually fighting for the victory there is no contest. fighting an even battle = watching The Raid involved in a stomping = watching Speed 2 In other words, both are a horrible experience?
DarthPlagueis TheWise 359	Posted - 2014.11.10 17:23:00 - [12] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Here's some great gameplay of what it's like to protostomp a whole bunch of redberries: http://youtu.be/3QD2vewUpkA what the hell is that some race of Humpty Dumpty egg headed people Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 167	Posted - 2014.11.10 17:30:00 - [13] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: For the first time I can remember - I was part of an extreme protostomp. Doing the stomping you understand. I'm sure I've been in stomps before but never quite so blatant. I've got to be honest I thought it would be fantastically funny and that I would feel like I'd earned the right to laugh maniacally due to the work I've put in to g even slightly g. But actually I felt a bit embarrassed and kind of bad for the victims. Didn't stop me blasting them to bits of course but you take my point.... And now you know the feeling Usain Bolt gets when he wins the Special Olympics. Except that there are rules against that because everyone in the real world knows its completely unfair, why is it still allowed in Dust?
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 834	Posted - 2014.11.10 17:35:00 - [14] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: For the first time I can remember - I was part of an extreme protostomp. Doing the stomping you understand. I'm sure I've been in stomps before but never quite so blatant. I've got to be honest I thought it would be fantastically funny and that I would feel like I'd earned the right to laugh maniacally due to the work I've put in to g even slightly g. But actually I felt a bit embarrassed and kind of bad for the victims. Didn't stop me blasting them to bits of course but you take my point.... And now you know the feeling Usain Bolt gets when he wins the Special Olympics. Except that there are rules against that because everyone in the real world knows its completely unfair, why is it still allowed in Dust? I think matchmaking should be priority number one right now myself. There's an amazing game here, but it's completely unplayable by non-vet-standards - and that's mostly down to matchmaking.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5018	Posted - 2014.11.10 17:41:00 - [15] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Here's some great gameplay of what it's like to protostomp a whole bunch of redberries: http://youtu.be/3QD2vewUpkA what the hell is that some race of Humpty Dumpty egg headed people You've never watched doctor who have you. oh well, just tell me it was at least a little bit funny :P 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 787	Posted - 2014.11.10 17:54:00 - [16] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: For me I would MUCH rather lose a good battle than win by a total stomp, it's just boring as ****. Like the dom game yesterday, we cloned them out with something like 120 left in our pool. I was involved in an epic stomp, I think we only lost 6 clones in a skirmish It was even worse that I was using the PLC... Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Bax Zanith Sinfonia1898 218	Posted - 2014.11.10 17:56:00 - [17] - Quote It's kind of funny. People are saying they want an evenly balanced game, but that can't possibly be what people truly want. otherwise protostomping wouldn't be a problem in the first place. They didn't die from the cold without They died from the cold within. - James Patrick Kinney
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 185	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:01:00 - [18] - Quote Joel II X wrote: fighting an even battle = watching The Raid involved in a stomping = watching Speed 2 In other words, both are a horrible experience? [/quote] haha - the raid is a masterpiece! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
DarthPlagueis TheWise 360	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:03:00 - [19] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Here's some great gameplay of what it's like to protostomp a whole bunch of redberries: http://youtu.be/3QD2vewUpkA what the hell is that some race of Humpty Dumpty egg headed people You've never watched doctor who have you. oh well, just tell me it was at least a little bit funny :P i know theres a huge cult following but i was never really interested Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
Kensai Dragon DUST University Ivy League 62	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:12:00 - [20] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: It's kind of funny. People are saying they want an evenly balanced game, but that can't possibly be what people truly want. otherwise protostomping wouldn't be a problem in the first place. 'People' want different things. So yes, people want even matches, and yes people want lopsided battles. The part that's funny is nobody wants to be on the losing side of the lopsided battle, lol.

Aramis Madrigal Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 309	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:12:00 - [21] - Quote I much prefer a good match to a stomp, which is why I run solo for the most part. If my side is getting stomped, but is still make a good faith effort to win (still pushing objectives, etc.), I don't mind burning through a bunch of proto suit to make the game a bit more competitive for my side. The only thing that ruins my enjoyment is when my side completely stops trying. As long as the blueberries are willing to die valiantly, I'm happy to do it along side them. -Aramis
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 185	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:18:00 - [22] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: You've never watched doctor who have you. oh well, just tell me it was at least a little bit funny :P i know theres a huge cult following but i was never really interested[/quote] Likewise for me - although I did enjoy Shayz video because it was surprisingly dust-like even down to the red hats! ps - I suppose if Darth Plagueis The Wise was involved in a game of Dust then "he could even stop the ones he cared about... from dying..." so no danger of a stomp there GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Ablerober Pretty Violence 186	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:24:00 - [23] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: For the first time I can remember - I was part of an extreme protostomp. Doing the stomping you understand. I'm sure I've been in stomps before but never quite so blatant. I've got to be honest I thought it would be fantastically funny and that I would feel like I'd earned the right to laugh maniacally due to the work I've put in to g even slightly g. But actually I felt a bit embarrassed and kind of bad for the victims. Didn't stop me blasting them to bits of course but you take my point.... In my first pub match of the day now. Lost by a huge margin - most of the other team were from Nyain San. Everyone knows these are guys are c***s right? I mean are they all related somehow?
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 275	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:45:00 - [24] - Quote As someone whos primary role is a logi, its only really fun when its balanced. Otherwise it goes like this: -If im getting stomped, its hell getting down uplinks in the right place or resupplying my team. My equipments get destroyed, my scanning fits found by 6 man proto squads, vehicles have a single digit minute lifespan. Its tough cause every success I manage to carve out at great ISK loss to myself gets wiped out in not long or becomes a camped out meat grinder. -If im on the team thats doing the stomp, theres not much I can do. These proto squads have their own logistics chain, and the frontline is at the enemies redline. Most of the enemy stays back to snipe/hide, and the few brave that try to get out get ripped apart by the squads. So I dont have much to do and not much of my equipment is making me WP. Now when its balanced....If I do something wrong I lose some ground, if I do it right I get my WP flow and the tide switches up a little. Its when I can do my best and it actually counts for something.
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 169	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:48:00 - [25] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: al nize mk2 wrote: For the first time I can remember - I was part of an extreme protostomp. Doing the stomping you understand. I'm sure I've been in stomps before but never quite so blatant. I've got to be honest I thought it would be fantastically funny and that I would feel like I'd earned the right to laugh maniacally due to the work I've put in to g even slightly g. But actually I felt a bit embarrassed and kind of bad for the victims. Didn't stop me blasting them to bits of course but you take my point.... And now you know the feeling Usain Bolt gets when he wins the Special Olympics. Except that there are rules against that because everyone in the real world knows its completely unfair, why is it still allowed in Dust? I think matchmaking should be priority number one right now myself. There's an amazing game here, but it's completely unplayable by non-vet-standards - and that's mostly down to matchmaking. I'd like to see a Militia/STD only queue, and all the new players would be automatically shunted into it. You couldnt run anything better than STD in it regardless of your skill levels. New players need a real long term solution to keep them from having to work on basic skills while being stomped on by prototype squads. Yes squads full of stompers can still queue and play STD league but at least it would be fair at a fundamental gear level, so the reason the newbies die will never be "that guy had literally 4 times my health even though we are both using assault suits".
Vlad Rostok SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 17	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:58:00 - [26] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: I'd like to see a Militia/STD only queue, and all the new players would be automatically shunted into it. You couldnt run anything better than STD in it regardless of your skill levels. New players need a real long term solution to keep them from having to work on basic skills while being stomped on by prototype squads. Yes squads full of stompers can still queue and play STD league but at least it would be fair at a fundamental gear level, so the reason the newbies die will never be "that guy had literally 4 times my health even though we are both using assault suits". It's more than gear, though. Skilled players, particularly those with a lot of skill points, will always vastly outperform newer, less able and less skill pointed players regardless of gear level. Create an alt and go into an academy battle. You'll see a few players at the top of the leaderboard (on either side) by a wide margin. These are people who have already been playing Dust for a while, know the maps, know some tactics and are just "trolling noobs for the lulz" and they're doing it in MLT gear with low SP.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 475	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:59:00 - [27] - Quote Aramis Madrigal wrote: I much prefer a good match to a stomp, which is why I run solo for the most part. If my side is getting stomped, but is still make a good faith effort to win (still pushing objectives, etc.), I don't mind burning through a bunch of proto suit to make the game a bit more competitive for my side. The only thing that ruins my enjoyment is when my side completely stops trying. As long as the blueberries are willing to die valiantly, I'm happy to do it along side them. -Aramis I'm with you on both accounts, sometimes the berries just need to see someone is still trying and that's enough to rally the troops. I remember one Dom match specifically getting stomped the whole time, managed to hack over the objective with 2 pts of armour left and and the whole team just dug in and thought "umm not this time bitches". Probably one of the only times I've really been proud of a win. That being said if it ends up I'm the only one not trying to snipe I really can't even be bothered to finish the match, I refuse to keep losing ISK if my team won't leave the redline. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 185	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:03:00 - [28] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: I'd like to see a Militia/STD only queue, and all the new players would be automatically shunted into it. You couldnt run anything better than STD in it regardless of your skill levels. New players need a real long term solution to keep them from having to work on basic skills while being stomped on by prototype squads. Yes squads full of stompers can still queue and play STD league but at least it would be fair at a fundamental gear level, so the reason the newbies die will never be "that guy had literally 4 times my health even though we are both using assault suits". I agree with your idea - I know it takes the hard edge off the world of eve a bit and I know that's something CCP are proud of - but I also know there are players who are good gamers in general but who leave Dust because of the crazy difficulty curve. From the other perspective I specifically got into Dust because it was unforgiving and made me work like a demon. But not everyone is like that. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 185	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:04:00 - [29] - Quote Ablerober wrote: In my first pub match of the day now. Lost by a huge margin - most of the other team were from Nyain San. Everyone knows these are guys are c**s right? I mean are they all related somehow? lol - yep they are one of the biggest and baddest corps around. On the plus side once you get good enough and start to take them on a bit - it feels really* good! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 185	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:08:00 - [30] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: I'm with you on both accounts, sometimes the berries just need to see someone is still trying and that's enough to rally the troops. I remember one Dom match specifically getting stomped the whole time, managed to hack over the objective with 2 pts of armour left and and the whole team just dug in and thought "umm not this time bitches". Probably one of the only times I've really been proud of a win. bravo and that's me as well. must be an underdog thing - but the truth is even a couple of determined blueberries can turn the tide of a semi-stomping if they perform heroically enough. GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥

Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 170	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:08:00 - [31] - Quote Vlad Rostok wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: I'd like to see a Militia/STD only queue, and all the new players would be automatically shunted into it. You couldnt run anything better than STD in it regardless of your skill levels. New players need a real long term solution to keep them from having to work on basic skills while being stomped on by prototype squads. Yes squads full of stompers can still queue and play STD league but at least it would be fair at a fundamental gear level, so the reason the newbies die will never be "that guy had literally 4 times my health even though we are both using assault suits". It's more than gear, though. Skilled players, particularly those with a lot of skill points, will always vastly outperform newer, less able and less skill pointed players regardless of gear level. Create an alt and go into an academy battle. You'll see a few players at the top of the leaderboard (on either side) by a wide margin. These are people who have already been playing Dust for a while, know the maps, know some tactics and are just "trolling noobs for the lulz" and they're doing it in MLT gear with low SP. Yes, I understand that, and even addressed it in the post you replied to. Simple fact is its easier to learn and figure out why you are getting wrecked if you have the same general level of gear as your competition vs. being completely reamed out every few seconds because your enemy has 3x more health and 25% more damage + whatever other advantages in scanning/dampening/logistics they can get. The point would be to make it easier on new players to figure out how to play without having to deal with the overwhelming bullshit they are now subject to even in the academy (people who know what they are doing can put together solid advanced fits right out of the gate that will stomp the **** out of militia starter fits). I think most people can agree that the Academy doesnt work even if it is a step in the right direction. Why not make the equivalent of high security space in Dust by making contracts that only allow Standard gear to be used?
Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 382	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:09:00 - [32] - Quote As a guy who has q sync'd full 16 man battles against the Gallente with the inclusion of a spy squad on their team. We've done some things I'm not proud of... but I feel nothing
Vlad Rostok SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 17	Posted - 2014.11.10 22:22:00 - [33] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Vlad Rostok wrote: Vesta Opalus wrote: I'd like to see a Militia/STD only queue, and all the new players would be automatically shunted into it. You couldnt run anything better than STD in it regardless of your skill levels. New players need a real long term solution to keep them from having to work on basic skills while being stomped on by prototype squads. Yes squads full of stompers can still queue and play STD league but at least it would be fair at a fundamental gear level, so the reason the newbies die will never be "that guy had literally 4 times my health even though we are both using assault suits". It's more than gear, though. Skilled players, particularly those with a lot of skill points, will always vastly outperform newer, less able and less skill pointed players regardless of gear level. Create an alt and go into an academy battle. You'll see a few players at the top of the leaderboard (on either side) by a wide margin. These are people who have already been playing Dust for a while, know the maps, know some tactics and are just "trolling noobs for the lulz" and they're doing it in MLT gear with low SP. Yes, I understand that, and even addressed it in the post you replied to. Simple fact is its easier to learn and figure out why you are getting wrecked if you have the same general level of gear as your competition vs. being completely reamed out every few seconds because your enemy has 3x more health and 25% more damage + whatever other advantages in scanning/dampening/logistics they can get. The point would be to make it easier on new players to figure out how to play without having to deal with the overwhelming bullshit they are now subject to even in the academy (people who know what they are doing can put together solid advanced fits right out of the gate that will stomp the **** out of militia starter fits). I think most people can agree that the Academy doesnt work even if it is a step in the right direction. Why not make the equivalent of high security space in Dust by making contracts that only allow Standard gear to be used? I guess your idea could work, provided that any backwardation of advantages provided by maxed out SP's was nullified. I think they do this in some of the pvp modes in Destiny?
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 935	Posted - 2014.11.10 22:40:00 - [34] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: naw id equate protostomping to watching judge dredd mowing down badguys in DREDD I was literally just talking about Dredd to someone at work. Shameful as it is - I preferred the Stallone version... shakes head Swag-suit4lyfe!
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 475	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:07:00 - [35] - Quote al nize mk2 wrote: bravo and that's me as well. must be an underdog thing - but the truth is even a couple of determined blueberries can turn the tide of a semi-stomping if they perform heroically enough. It's also those situations that it's fun to play "balls out insane" mode like diving off buildings shooting on the way down or full frontal assaults living just long enough to toss a flux and soften them up. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.


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