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Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:08:00 -
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Vlad Rostok wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:
I'd like to see a Militia/STD only queue, and all the new players would be automatically shunted into it. You couldnt run anything better than STD in it regardless of your skill levels. New players need a real long term solution to keep them from having to work on basic skills while being stomped on by prototype squads.
Yes squads full of stompers can still queue and play STD league but at least it would be fair at a fundamental gear level, so the reason the newbies die will never be "that guy had literally 4 times my health even though we are both using assault suits".
It's more than gear, though. Skilled players, particularly those with a lot of skill points, will always vastly outperform newer, less able and less skill pointed players regardless of gear level. Create an alt and go into an academy battle. You'll see a few players at the top of the leaderboard (on either side) by a wide margin. These are people who have already been playing Dust for a while, know the maps, know some tactics and are just "trolling noobs for the lulz" and they're doing it in MLT gear with low SP.
Yes, I understand that, and even addressed it in the post you replied to.
Simple fact is its easier to learn and figure out why you are getting wrecked if you have the same general level of gear as your competition vs. being completely reamed out every few seconds because your enemy has 3x more health and 25% more damage + whatever other advantages in scanning/dampening/logistics they can get.
The point would be to make it easier on new players to figure out how to play without having to deal with the overwhelming bullshit they are now subject to even in the academy (people who know what they are doing can put together solid advanced fits right out of the gate that will stomp the **** out of militia starter fits).
I think most people can agree that the Academy doesnt work even if it is a step in the right direction. Why not make the equivalent of high security space in Dust by making contracts that only allow Standard gear to be used? |
Mike Ox Bigger
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:09:00 -
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As a guy who has q sync'd full 16 man battles against the Gallente with the inclusion of a spy squad on their team. We've done some things I'm not proud of... but I feel nothing  |
Vlad Rostok
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.10 22:22:00 -
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Vesta Opalus wrote:Vlad Rostok wrote:Vesta Opalus wrote:
I'd like to see a Militia/STD only queue, and all the new players would be automatically shunted into it. You couldnt run anything better than STD in it regardless of your skill levels. New players need a real long term solution to keep them from having to work on basic skills while being stomped on by prototype squads.
Yes squads full of stompers can still queue and play STD league but at least it would be fair at a fundamental gear level, so the reason the newbies die will never be "that guy had literally 4 times my health even though we are both using assault suits".
It's more than gear, though. Skilled players, particularly those with a lot of skill points, will always vastly outperform newer, less able and less skill pointed players regardless of gear level. Create an alt and go into an academy battle. You'll see a few players at the top of the leaderboard (on either side) by a wide margin. These are people who have already been playing Dust for a while, know the maps, know some tactics and are just "trolling noobs for the lulz" and they're doing it in MLT gear with low SP. Yes, I understand that, and even addressed it in the post you replied to. Simple fact is its easier to learn and figure out why you are getting wrecked if you have the same general level of gear as your competition vs. being completely reamed out every few seconds because your enemy has 3x more health and 25% more damage + whatever other advantages in scanning/dampening/logistics they can get. The point would be to make it easier on new players to figure out how to play without having to deal with the overwhelming bullshit they are now subject to even in the academy (people who know what they are doing can put together solid advanced fits right out of the gate that will stomp the **** out of militia starter fits). I think most people can agree that the Academy doesnt work even if it is a step in the right direction. Why not make the equivalent of high security space in Dust by making contracts that only allow Standard gear to be used?
I guess your idea could work, provided that any backwardation of advantages provided by maxed out SP's was nullified. I think they do this in some of the pvp modes in Destiny?
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Fizzer XCIV
Heaven's Lost Property
935
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Posted - 2014.11.10 22:40:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
naw id equate protostomping to watching judge dredd mowing down badguys in DREDD
I was literally just talking about Dredd to someone at work. Shameful as it is - I preferred the Stallone version... 
*shakes head*
Swag-suit4lyfe!
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Cyzad4
Blackfish Corp.
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Posted - 2014.11.10 23:07:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:
bravo and that's me as well. must be an underdog thing - but the truth is even a couple of determined blueberries can turn the tide of a semi-stomping if they perform heroically enough.
It's also those situations that it's fun to play "balls out insane" mode like diving off buildings shooting on the way down or full frontal assaults living just long enough to toss a flux and soften them up.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
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