DUST Search - Almost to game balance?

Lloyd Orfay wrote:

Age old problems still exist( Snipers, forgegun AV, Specialised tanks, Tank vs Tank battles, Improper weapon physics, improper player physics, The Redline, scout having literally no role and follow sandbox based gameplay in a game with team based roots, Sentinels still being a combination of archaic and imperfect roles, pure defense and pure offense being overpowered and being relatively uncounterable, a wide majority of suits having no functions for a solid teambased role besides the logistics suit and possibly the sentinel, rooftop camping et cetera)

Multiple systems still push imbalancement and make divided hierarchial systems that limit the least paying/newly playing gamers here( Ewar, basic/adv/proto items, etc)

The hotfixes(coldbreaks if you realise they aren't fixing much.) have been actually pushing the game to be more imbalanced with some positive, yet unimportant updates in them. The game is more messed up now than it was in june where it was purely imbalanced, but problems like scouts and rooftop camping were on a leash to some extent.

If you really think this game is closed to being balanced you have not played enough FPS games, or system based MMO's.

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Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 421	Posted - 2014.11.09 23:02:00 - [1] - Quote Hasn't anyone noticed that the game just needs a few more tweaks in order for it to be really balanced? Reducing Scout effectiveness and finding a way to fight heavy spam and boom! The game will be in a very balanced stage! Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
DarthPlagueis TheWise 339	Posted - 2014.11.09 23:03:00 - [2] - Quote Unfortunately PC will never be balanced. Ever. Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 143	Posted - 2014.11.09 23:11:00 - [3] - Quote Then we can add more stuff and balance that! :D Like that Amarr LAV it's never really going to happen... "That's what I like to see, 0 kills and still #1!" MPT Vet. 514 lottery tickets half off!
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 198	Posted - 2014.11.09 23:50:00 - [4] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Hasn't anyone noticed that the game just needs a few more tweaks in order for it to be really balanced? Reducing Scout effectiveness and finding a way to fight heavy spam and boom! The game will be in a very balanced stage! The results have came in. It seems like you have been diagnosed with a serious disease... You have category five delusion. You'll live, but it's still annoying. Seriously.... This game is still as far from balance as possible. Multiplpe minor features are being broken/turned overpowered/are given useless functions on request to the community, with no basic idea on what needs to change/how to make things balanced/ what would prevent abuse of this. (Nanite injectors, AV, ADS, Cloaks, et cetera) Age old problems still exist( Snipers, forgegun AV, Specialised tanks, Tank vs Tank battles, Improper weapon physics, improper player physics, The Redline, scout having literally no role and follow sandbox based gameplay in a game with team based roots, Sentinels still being a combination of archaic and imperfect roles, pure defense and pure offense being overpowered and being relatively uncounterable, a wide majority of suits having no functions for a solid teambased role besides the logistics suit and possibly the sentinel, rooftop camping et cetera) Multiple systems still push imbalancement and make divided hierarchial systems that limit the least paying/newly playing gamers here( Ewar, basic/adv/proto items, etc) The hotfixes(coldbreaks if you realise they aren't fixing much.) have been actually pushing the game to be more imbalanced with some positive, yet unimportant updates in them. The game is more messed up now than it was in june where it was purely imbalanced, but problems like scouts and rooftop camping were on a leash to some extent. If you really think this game is closed to being balanced you have not played enough FPS games, or system based MMO's.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5883	Posted - 2014.11.09 23:58:00 - [5] - Quote MELEE! Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1763	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:00:00 - [6] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Then we can add more stuff and balance that! :D Like that Amarr LAV it's never really going to happen... actually it is.. after they reintroduce the old vehicle variants and meta levels [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14340	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:04:00 - [7] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: Then we can add more stuff and balance that! :D Like that Amarr LAV it's never really going to happen... actually it is.. after they reintroduce the old vehicle variants and meta levels It literally does not make sense to re-release the vehicle variants before parity is achieved. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4641	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:05:00 - [8] - Quote OP, you are right that balance is in a better place now than it has been in the past, but any MMO vet will tell you that balance is a constant struggle. Players will find fittings that are overpowered, while other fitting varieties become useless in the face of new content. This all sounds very depressing, but have some hope. Constant evaluation of data and making adjustments seems to be Rattati's intention. That's a good strategy. Rattati, if you find yourself in this thread: ignore any dickcheese Duke of Scrubberton who tries to tell you that shouldn't use "spreadsheet data" to balance. Numbers are objective, they don't have agendas. Keep doing what you are doing. My advice to you, playa...
Commander Noctus Gallente Loyalist 108	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:24:00 - [9] - Quote Echoing what's already been said, we are far from balance. Melee, EWAR (a touchy subject, but one that's still in need of attention), AV vs V (specifically, parity), Logistics, Commandos (need a touch up), a bit of scouts, a bit of sentinels, and shield tanking are still in need of balance, among other things I'm sure. Weapons are probably the closest things that are balanced. Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 10960	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:38:00 - [10] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Rattati, if you find yourself in this thread: ignore any dickcheese Duke of Scrubberton who tries to tell you that shouldn't use "spreadsheet data" to balance. Numbers are objective, they don't have agendas. Keep doing what you are doing. Mr. Scientist "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 421	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:44:00 - [11] - Quote AV vs V seems pretty balanced to me with the current vehicles we have. A well fitted tank can sponge damage, but if they are too reckless they'll get blown up ADS are glasscannons now. As they should be. Only skilled pilots are rewarded now rather than the pilots that just hit the AB after getting hit. How will AV vs V will work when (if ever) the missing vehicles are added? Well only when they are added we will tell if the FULL AV vs V is balanced or not. But as of now it seems pretty balanced. Been here since Mordus Private Trials Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
Isa Lucifer Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 78	Posted - 2014.11.10 02:23:00 - [12] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: AV vs V seems pretty balanced to me with the current vehicles we have. A well fitted tank can sponge damage, but if they are too reckless they'll get blown up ADS are glasscannons now. As they should be. Only skilled pilots are rewarded now rather than the pilots that just hit the AB after getting hit. How will AV vs V will work when (if ever) the missing vehicles are added? Well only when they are added we will tell if the FULL AV vs V is balanced or not. But as of now it seems pretty balanced. This. Amarr Victor
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1677	Posted - 2014.11.10 02:52:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Rattati, if you find yourself in this thread: ignore any dickcheese Duke of Scrubberton who tries to tell you that shouldn't use "spreadsheet data" to balance. Numbers are objective, they don't have agendas. Keep doing what you are doing. Mr. Scientist Oh Rattati, you win this thread. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4645	Posted - 2014.11.10 03:36:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Rattati, if you find yourself in this thread: ignore any dickcheese Duke of Scrubberton who tries to tell you that shouldn't use "spreadsheet data" to balance. Numbers are objective, they don't have agendas. Keep doing what you are doing. Mr. Scientist Science all day, e'rry day. My advice to you, playa...
xavier zor G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.11.10 04:00:00 - [15] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: Age old problems still exist( Snipers, forgegun AV, Specialised tanks, Tank vs Tank battles, Improper weapon physics, improper player physics, The Redline, scout having literally no role and follow sandbox based gameplay in a game with team based roots, Sentinels still being a combination of archaic and imperfect roles, pure defense and pure offense being overpowered and being relatively uncounterable, a wide majority of suits having no functions for a solid teambased role besides the logistics suit and possibly the sentinel, rooftop camping et cetera) Multiple systems still push imbalancement and make divided hierarchial systems that limit the least paying/newly playing gamers here( Ewar, basic/adv/proto items, etc) The hotfixes(coldbreaks if you realise they aren't fixing much.) have been actually pushing the game to be more imbalanced with some positive, yet unimportant updates in them. The game is more messed up now than it was in june where it was purely imbalanced, but problems like scouts and rooftop camping were on a leash to some extent. If you really think this game is closed to being balanced you have not played enough FPS games, or system based MMO's. None of these are problems, and are all fixed you haven't mentioned ADS ships are underpowered, matchmaking is still broken and PC matches are often heavy/logi spam in cities with a RE scout, and scout/tank combos holding homepoint Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7124	Posted - 2014.11.10 04:01:00 - [16] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Rattati, if you find yourself in this thread: ignore any dickcheese Duke of Scrubberton who tries to tell you that shouldn't use "spreadsheet data" to balance. Numbers are objective, they don't have agendas. Keep doing what you are doing. Mr. Scientist Nerd. Legion Transparency Long-Term Roadmap
xavier zor G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 188	Posted - 2014.11.10 04:05:00 - [17] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Rattati, if you find yourself in this thread: ignore any dickcheese Duke of Scrubberton who tries to tell you that shouldn't use "spreadsheet data" to balance. Numbers are objective, they don't have agendas. Keep doing what you are doing. Mr. Scientist Nerd. lol +1 Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres


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