DUST Search - Scouts OP you say?

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Hakyou Brutor wrote:

Well, have you even tried to pull out a scanner?

90% of pub scouts will be scanned by a single person with a proto scanner... I can't be the only one who can see this..

Sure, a Prototype Scanner might get 90% (curious where this number comes from) but it will get 100% of those that are not Scouts.

Prototype Scanner numbers (Gallente Logi Bonus)
Active: 28 (21)
Quantum: 28 (21)
Focused: 20 (15)

Racial Scouts with max Dampening and Scout skill:
Caldari: 26.75. Only seen by Gallente Logi or a Focused Scanner
Amarr: 31.5. Seen by all Prototype Scanners.
Gallente: 26.75. See Caldari.
Minmatar: 31.5. See Amarr

A Caldari with a single Complex Dampener goes to 20.08. The only thing that will see them is a Focused Scanner. Two damps is 15.72, only seen by Gallente with focused. Gallente with 3 damps is invisible to anything at 13.48. Minmatar and Amarr using 2 Complex Dampeners will go to 18.49, only seen by Gallente with focused. Amarr with 4 Complex Dampeners is invisible to everything at 14.73. Minmatar might as well be happy with 2 damps as they can never get below 15.

Saying "Scouts aren't overpowered because some of them can be seen by Prototype Scanners" doesn't make sense. A Gallente Logi with any Scanner or a non-Gallente with a Focused will get every Medium suit wearing 4 Dampeners, and 5 Damps makes it to where a Focused by anyone will see you. Prototype Scanners can pick up almost anyone, with the exception being Scouts that prepare for it. How does this prove Scouts are or are not overpowered?

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Hakyou Brutor Capital Acquisitions LLC 1552	Posted - 2014.11.09 18:51:00 - [1] - Quote Well, have you even tried to pull out a scanner? 90% of pub scouts will be scanned by a single person with a proto scanner... I can't be the only one who can see this.. Knight Soiaire = my bae
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1258	Posted - 2014.11.09 18:52:00 - [2] - Quote Yup and if u don't scan them chances are they are fragile as glass Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1942	Posted - 2014.11.09 18:55:00 - [3] - Quote Sweet I scanned him! Now I'll position myself over here an- BOOM Redberry scout (remote explosive) Pvt_Numnutz Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1258	Posted - 2014.11.09 19:05:00 - [4] - Quote Also Situaltional Awareness+Listening > Scout Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 13536	Posted - 2014.11.09 20:04:00 - [5] - Quote Obligatory "lol anecdotal evidence" If you get scanned by anything other than a GalLogi you're a garbage scout. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14330	Posted - 2014.11.09 20:37:00 - [6] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Also Situaltional Awareness+Listening > Scout That's like saying with all the noises that could well be happening around you from 80GJ Blaster fire, Large Missile Fire, Squad Comms, Nanohive Pulsing, Small Arms fire. Sound out and identify for the most part a visually and scan cloaked enemy player moving at twice your running speed. Additionally identify tiny RE pads that can be placed against any surface and have a 5m AoE. More over once you do identify them attempt to using anything but a high rate of fire weapon put and end to their godawfully fast strafing as they pepper away at you with that high rate of fire or close range fire arm. All of this while being counter scanned, wall hacked by the scouts themselves, and in an urban environment. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 645	Posted - 2014.11.09 20:48:00 - [7] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Well, have you even tried to pull out a scanner? 90% of pub scouts will be scanned by a single person with a proto scanner... I can't be the only one who can see this.. You want to scout? 1. Get a respec 2. Caldari Scout 5 (or Gallente if you want to see damped scouts with passives, but you'll have to permafit a complex precision enhancer and maybe a complex range amp) 3. All scan skills to 5. (Now, at 27 profile, the only scans in the game that can detect you are Focused Scanners, which are getting nerfed, Gallogi proto scanners, Amarr Scout passives, and Gal Scout w/ CPE passives. 4. Fit a complex dampener. Now only Gallogi Focused scanners or Amarr scout with CPE can tag you. 5. ??? 6. Profit
Pushing Charlie Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 386	Posted - 2014.11.09 20:50:00 - [8] - Quote Scanners don't work, you need a Gaydar. Hehe Knight Soiaire I BELIEVE!
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3452	Posted - 2014.11.09 20:53:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Zindorak wrote: Also Situaltional Awareness+Listening > Scout That's like saying with all the noises that could well be happening around you from 80GJ Blaster fire, Large Missile Fire, Squad Comms, Nanohive Pulsing, Small Arms fire. Sound out and identify for the most part a visually and scan cloaked enemy player moving at twice your running speed. Additionally identify tiny RE pads that can be placed against any surface and have a 5m AoE. More over once you do identify them attempt to using anything but a high rate of fire weapon put and end to their godawfully fast strafing as they pepper away at you with that high rate of fire or close range fire arm. All of this while being counter scanned, wall hacked by the scouts themselves, and in an urban environment. Not to mention IWS has stated (Which doesn't necessarily mean its 100% true because lolIWS) that their are issue where footstep, de-cloaking, and other sounds do not register. With the number of glitches I don't doubt it. Fatal Absolution Director
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5734	Posted - 2014.11.09 20:55:00 - [10] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: True Adamance wrote: Zindorak wrote: Also Situaltional Awareness+Listening > Scout That's like saying with all the noises that could well be happening around you from 80GJ Blaster fire, Large Missile Fire, Squad Comms, Nanohive Pulsing, Small Arms fire. Sound out and identify for the most part a visually and scan cloaked enemy player moving at twice your running speed. Additionally identify tiny RE pads that can be placed against any surface and have a 5m AoE. More over once you do identify them attempt to using anything but a high rate of fire weapon put and end to their godawfully fast strafing as they pepper away at you with that high rate of fire or close range fire arm. All of this while being counter scanned, wall hacked by the scouts themselves, and in an urban environment. Not to mention IWS has stated (Which doesn't necessarily mean its 100% true because lolIWS) that their are issue where footstep, de-cloaking, and other sounds do not register. With the number of glitches I don't doubt it. I know for sure that occasionally when I decloak I keep the muffled sound of a cloak, so I am not surprised by this at all. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?

Lynn Beck Delta Vanguard 6 2200	Posted - 2014.11.09 20:56:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Zindorak wrote: Also Situaltional Awareness+Listening > Scout That's like saying with all the noises that could well be happening around you from 80GJ Blaster fire, Large Missile Fire, Squad Comms, Nanohive Pulsing, Small Arms fire. Sound out and identify for the most part a visually and scan cloaked enemy player moving at twice your running speed. Additionally identify tiny RE pads that can be placed against any surface and have a 5m AoE. More over once you do identify them attempt to using anything but a high rate of fire weapon put and end to their godawfully fast strafing as they pepper away at you with that high rate of fire or close range fire arm. All of this while being counter scanned, wall hacked by the scouts themselves, and in an urban environment. if they're strafing they're either a calscout or a minja who (idiot) decided to triple shield extender. REs make a VERY unique noise, I almost guarantee that anyone with 2 months of programming could make a Iphone app that makes your screen flash red whenever it played. footsteps, yeah i can understand not hearing those well my only complaint about the scouts themselves is their INSANE regen rate(shield), when Assaults are supposed to be highest in Regen(check armor repair values) If we swapped Assault/Scout shield regen and increased their shield delay, followed by whatever penalty swap Rattati had mentioned for Extenders/Plates, then tanky scouts will be worse assaults, and the only thing they'll have is scanning, which will also be nerfed via removal of radar arrows. Aside from that, i have a HUGE beef with the easymode Shotgun, it's a Nova Knife, but with a bigger fitting Optimization and more range. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2467	Posted - 2014.11.09 21:37:00 - [12] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Well, have you even tried to pull out a scanner? 90% of pub scouts will be scanned by a single person with a proto scanner... I can't be the only one who can see this.. Sure, a Prototype Scanner might get 90% (curious where this number comes from) but it will get 100% of those that are not Scouts. Prototype Scanner numbers (Gallente Logi Bonus) Active: 28 (21) Quantum: 28 (21) Focused: 20 (15) Racial Scouts with max Dampening and Scout skill: Caldari: 26.75. Only seen by Gallente Logi or a Focused Scanner Amarr: 31.5. Seen by all Prototype Scanners. Gallente: 26.75. See Caldari. Minmatar: 31.5. See Amarr A Caldari with a single Complex Dampener goes to 20.08. The only thing that will see them is a Focused Scanner. Two damps is 15.72, only seen by Gallente with focused. Gallente with 3 damps is invisible to anything at 13.48. Minmatar and Amarr using 2 Complex Dampeners will go to 18.49, only seen by Gallente with focused. Amarr with 4 Complex Dampeners is invisible to everything at 14.73. Minmatar might as well be happy with 2 damps as they can never get below 15. Saying "Scouts aren't overpowered because some of them can be seen by Prototype Scanners" doesn't make sense. A Gallente Logi with any Scanner or a non-Gallente with a Focused will get every Medium suit wearing 4 Dampeners, and 5 Damps makes it to where a Focused by anyone will see you. Prototype Scanners can pick up almost anyone, with the exception being Scouts that prepare for it. How does this prove Scouts are or are not overpowered? "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5736	Posted - 2014.11.09 21:41:00 - [13] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Well, have you even tried to pull out a scanner? 90% of pub scouts will be scanned by a single person with a proto scanner... I can't be the only one who can see this.. Sure, a Prototype Scanner might get 90% (curious where this number comes from) but it will get 100% of those that are not Scouts. Prototype Scanner numbers (Gallente Logi Bonus) Active: 28 (21) Quantum: 28 (21) Focused: 20 (15) Racial Scouts with max Dampening and Scout skill: Caldari: 26.75. Only seen by Gallente Logi or a Focused Scanner Amarr: 31.5. Seen by all Prototype Scanners. Gallente: 26.75. See Caldari. Minmatar: 31.5. See Amarr A Caldari with a single Complex Dampener goes to 20.08. The only thing that will see them is a Focused Scanner. Two damps is 15.72, only seen by Gallente with focused. Gallente with 3 damps is invisible to anything at 13.48. Minmatar and Amarr using 2 Complex Dampeners will go to 18.49, only seen by Gallente with focused. Amarr with 4 Complex Dampeners is invisible to everything at 14.73. Minmatar might as well be happy with 2 damps as they can never get below 15. Saying "Scouts aren't overpowered because some of them can be seen by Prototype Scanners" doesn't make sense. A Gallente Logi with any Scanner or a non-Gallente with a Focused will get every Medium suit wearing 4 Dampeners, and 5 Damps makes it to where a Focused by anyone will see you. Prototype Scanners can pick up almost anyone, with the exception being Scouts that prepare for it. How does this prove Scouts are or are not overpowered? What it proves is that the majority of the scouts out there are not held to account by lazy mercs who don't want to force them to dampen and give up their tank. In doing so, they would force the scouts to max dampen, and the play/counterplay would come into effect. The fact of the matter is that many people are simply to lazy to adapt, which goes for many of those scouts too. If they realized they were going to be scanned, and wanted to keep their tanky assault light play style, they would end up going assault, or die by being scanned. The majority of the problem scouts out there could care less to dampen. Force them to do it, or go to another suit. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1757	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:25:00 - [14] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Well, have you even tried to pull out a scanner? 90% of pub scouts will be scanned by a single person with a proto scanner... I can't be the only one who can see this.. actually you need the FOCUSED scanner to scan them if they dont have any sp into damps.. if they do then you need gal logi+focused scanner which i think gets to like 15db where as i believe full ear scouts can get to 14.x which is still under scanners.. now the problem is not the scouts who run full ewar and are likly to die when they stub their toes.. but the ones who are still under the normal tacnet and standard adv and most proto scanners with out any ewar moduals.. this allows them to tank like hell but also abuse their tiny hitboxes and do matrix bullet dodging.. more so for calscout and its bugged hitbox. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
DarthPlagueis TheWise 338	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:27:00 - [15] - Quote enjoy it while it lasts they're getting nerfed in the next hotfix Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1757	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:28:00 - [16] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Well, have you even tried to pull out a scanner? 90% of pub scouts will be scanned by a single person with a proto scanner... I can't be the only one who can see this.. Sure, a Prototype Scanner might get 90% (curious where this number comes from) but it will get 100% of those that are not Scouts. Prototype Scanner numbers (Gallente Logi Bonus) Active: 28 (21) Quantum: 28 (21) Focused: 20 (15) Racial Scouts with max Dampening and Scout skill: Caldari: 26.75. Only seen by Gallente Logi or a Focused Scanner Amarr: 31.5. Seen by all Prototype Scanners. Gallente: 26.75. See Caldari. Minmatar: 31.5. See Amarr A Caldari with a single Complex Dampener goes to 20.08. The only thing that will see them is a Focused Scanner. Two damps is 15.72, only seen by Gallente with focused. Gallente with 3 damps is invisible to anything at 13.48. Minmatar and Amarr using 2 Complex Dampeners will go to 18.49, only seen by Gallente with focused. Amarr with 4 Complex Dampeners is invisible to everything at 14.73. Minmatar might as well be happy with 2 damps as they can never get below 15. Saying "Scouts aren't overpowered because some of them can be seen by Prototype Scanners" doesn't make sense. A Gallente Logi with any Scanner or a non-Gallente with a Focused will get every Medium suit wearing 4 Dampeners, and 5 Damps makes it to where a Focused by anyone will see you. Prototype Scanners can pick up almost anyone, with the exception being Scouts that prepare for it. How does this prove Scouts are or are not overpowered? this is pure logic! and reinforces the fast that gal scout is fotm because theya re compleatly immune [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
PARKOUR PRACTIONER G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 2210	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:55:00 - [17] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Yup and if u don't scan them chances are they are fragile as glass A whisper will kill me. But im damped so WORTH IT! PSN Sil4ntChaozz *Define Min Scout-Ninja/Define Gal Scout-Predator* Scout Devotee Mk.0/Gk.0/'Sever'
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 882	Posted - 2014.11.10 00:27:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: Obligatory "lol anecdotal evidence" If you get scanned by anything other than a GalLogi you're a garbage scout. So you agree that the Cal needs a better bonus than scan radius? Its fairly pointless trying to run range amps when suddenly everyone on the battle field can see you because 1 person has a scanner. Everyone cried about scouts passive scans, but at least they only got squad shared.


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