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Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1731	Posted - 2014.11.09 12:55:00 - [1] - Quote Cloaks! Cloaks Everywhere! ok the idea is basically a kick in the balls for scouts essentially.. remove their 15% pg and cpu per level fitting for cloaks... BUT get this.. add that bonus... TO THE CLOAKING SKILL its self... boom! whining about cloaked scouts? becoem a cloaked commando! or cloaked logi! or cloaked assault!.. /flame on! disclamer, i reserve the right to feign sarcasm or honesty at any time in this thread. ps. i think it would be hillarious if assaults became Scout-LITE.. and very ironic :P [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Mex-0 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 132	Posted - 2014.11.09 13:44:00 - [2] - Quote The main problem is just cloaked scouts popping up out of nowhere and blapping you dead within seconds. I used the bolt pistol before it was (OP) cool.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1732	Posted - 2014.11.09 14:04:00 - [3] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: The main problem is just cloaked scouts popping up out of nowhere and blapping you dead within seconds. true i do hate that, it needs to be like 2 seconds before they can attack once decloak is triggered.. and flux nades should disrupt cloaks too [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Prinny Waters Immortal Guides 16	Posted - 2014.11.09 14:51:00 - [4] - Quote Frankly, the fact that it is a 15% reduction per level is the problem. Taking away 3/4 of the fitting cost cloaks for veterans only (if you claim that a 2 million sp investment isn't for veterans only you really need to practice more before you start telling lies in public) makes it difficult to balance as people whom haven't invested heavily into scout are forced to make tough decisions about what goes on advanced suit while proto users can fit a basic cloak on a basic suit and have all the advantages of invisibility without worrying too much about their fitting.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1736	Posted - 2014.11.09 15:51:00 - [5] - Quote Prinny Waters wrote: Frankly, the fact that it is a 15% reduction per level is the problem. Taking away 3/4 of the fitting cost cloaks for veterans only (if you claim that a 2 million sp investment isn't for veterans only you really need to practice more before you start telling lies in public) makes it difficult to balance as people whom haven't invested heavily into scout are forced to make tough decisions about what goes on advanced suit while proto users can fit a basic cloak on a basic suit and have all the advantages of invisibility without worrying too much about their fitting. this is my point.. its too hard for newbros to start out as a scout because of that problem where as if it was tied to cloakign skill and not scout skill it may be easier for them but also could create some interesting fits for non scout suits too [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 596	Posted - 2014.11.09 16:43:00 - [6] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cloaks! Cloaks Everywhere! ok the idea is basically a kick in the balls for scouts essentially.. remove their 15% pg and cpu per level fitting for cloaks... BUT get this.. add that bonus... TO THE CLOAKING SKILL its self... boom! whining about cloaked scouts? becoem a cloaked commando! or cloaked logi! or cloaked assault!.. /flame on! disclamer, i reserve the right to feign sarcasm or honesty at any time in this thread. ps. i think it would be hillarious if assaults became Scout-LITE.. and very ironic :P So... cloaked proto sentinels with a six kin burst??? Edit: I forgot sentinels don't have an equipment slot... Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18890	Posted - 2014.11.09 16:44:00 - [7] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cloaks! Cloaks Everywhere! ok the idea is basically a kick in the balls for scouts essentially.. remove their 15% pg and cpu per level fitting for cloaks... BUT get this.. add that bonus... TO THE CLOAKING SKILL its self... boom! whining about cloaked scouts? becoem a cloaked commando! or cloaked logi! or cloaked assault!.. /flame on! disclamer, i reserve the right to feign sarcasm or honesty at any time in this thread. ps. i think it would be hillarious if assaults became Scout-LITE.. and very ironic :P So... cloaked proto sentinels with a six kin burst??? Except they don't have an equipment slot. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 596	Posted - 2014.11.09 16:46:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cloaks! Cloaks Everywhere! ok the idea is basically a kick in the balls for scouts essentially.. remove their 15% pg and cpu per level fitting for cloaks... BUT get this.. add that bonus... TO THE CLOAKING SKILL its self... boom! whining about cloaked scouts? becoem a cloaked commando! or cloaked logi! or cloaked assault!.. /flame on! disclamer, i reserve the right to feign sarcasm or honesty at any time in this thread. ps. i think it would be hillarious if assaults became Scout-LITE.. and very ironic :P So... cloaked proto sentinels with a six kin burst??? Except they don't have an equipment slot. lol i was wondering whether I'd get called out before I could fix it... Trust you! Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7526	Posted - 2014.11.09 16:54:00 - [9] - Quote People would just put a cloak on an Assault, damp it, and give it a shotgun. The scouts now have more health. Congratulations. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5726	Posted - 2014.11.09 17:06:00 - [10] - Quote You do know that cloaked heavies and assaults without enough dampening to avoid passive scans will not only still show up on tacnet, but have a red chevron above their cloaked head right? Not to mention having whatever passive scans they did have negated by the cloak as well. This would actually be a buff to scouts as fools who would think that the cloak would help would waste an otherwise used EQ slot and fitting costs. It is not a good idea at all, but it woudln't bother me if it went through. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5726	Posted - 2014.11.09 17:07:00 - [11] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: People would just put a cloak on an Assault, damp it, and give it a shotgun. The scouts now have more health. Congratulations. But I could now see them coming by throwing on some precision and seeing them on tacnet. See my note above. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1747	Posted - 2014.11.09 17:47:00 - [12] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cloaks! Cloaks Everywhere! ok the idea is basically a kick in the balls for scouts essentially.. remove their 15% pg and cpu per level fitting for cloaks... BUT get this.. add that bonus... TO THE CLOAKING SKILL its self... boom! whining about cloaked scouts? becoem a cloaked commando! or cloaked logi! or cloaked assault!.. /flame on! disclamer, i reserve the right to feign sarcasm or honesty at any time in this thread. ps. i think it would be hillarious if assaults became Scout-LITE.. and very ironic :P So... cloaked proto sentinels with a six kin burst??? Edit: I forgot sentinels don't have an equipment slot... DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP! [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1748	Posted - 2014.11.09 17:49:00 - [13] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: You do know that cloaked heavies and assaults without enough dampening to avoid passive scans will not only still show up on tacnet, but have a red chevron above their cloaked head right? Not to mention having whatever passive scans they did have negated by the cloak as well. This would actually be a buff to scouts as fools who would think that the cloak would help would waste an otherwise used EQ slot and fitting costs. It is not a good idea at all, but it woudln't bother me if it went through. scouts ewar values would obviously need to be changed to effect the moduals and not the suit too [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 775	Posted - 2014.11.09 17:49:00 - [14] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: People would just put a cloak on an Assault, damp it, and give it a shotgun. The scouts now have more health. Congratulations. Mentality flawed. Scouts don't need to fit camps, they have nowhere near as much ewar, and can't be as fast as a scout without making special effort. If you were to fit all that on an assault just to have the base stats of a scout, you wouldn't have that much more HP. Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1083	Posted - 2014.11.09 18:40:00 - [15] - Quote The proposed solution would make things more balanced by making the broken, poorly designed, OP equipment more accessible to everyone. But I'd rather they balance cloaks or out right remove it if they keep failing to fix it. How to balance cloaks.
Hakyou Brutor Capital Acquisitions LLC 1551	Posted - 2014.11.09 18:49:00 - [16] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: People would just put a cloak on an Assault, damp it, and give it a shotgun. The scouts now have more health. Congratulations. Yeah, I'm not sure how this would help anything, most good scouts already have clack skill to 5 anyway. Knight Soiaire = my bae
Cordera Ray Galactic Warrior Corporation 59	Posted - 2014.11.09 18:52:00 - [17] - Quote I dont think there nothing wrong with it. But it can be ignoring sometime to get kill out of no where.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2795	Posted - 2014.11.09 18:59:00 - [18] - Quote Sure. And then give us back our 5% dampening per level role bonus. Id be 100% fine with this change if that occurred. In fact, I would LOL as cloaked assaults and commandos with a little reticle over their heads thought they were invisible, as I shotgun them in the back. Or the fact that they think the cloak makes them invisible at all. I would be 100% ok with this if scouts got back the eWAR that we lost. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2795	Posted - 2014.11.09 19:00:00 - [19] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: People would just put a cloak on an Assault, damp it, and give it a shotgun. The scouts now have more health. Congratulations. But then we wouldn't have to listen to the "SCOUNT OPPEE NURF NAOW BECUZ I IZ BAD PLAYUR" GD sheep whining. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2795	Posted - 2014.11.09 19:02:00 - [20] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: The main problem is just cloaked scouts popping up out of nowhere and blapping you dead within seconds. Versus an assault killing you from 40 meters away after popping around a corner within seconds? "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7531	Posted - 2014.11.09 21:37:00 - [21] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: People would just put a cloak on an Assault, damp it, and give it a shotgun. The scouts now have more health. Congratulations. Mentality flawed. Scouts don't need to fit camps, they have nowhere near as much ewar, and can't be as fast as a scout without making special effort. If you were to fit all that on an assault just to have the base stats of a scout, you wouldn't have that much more HP. Go undamped in PC and tell me how that works. As for eWAR, you forget that rattati is going to be buffing eWAR on med frames. By the way: My Minmatar Assault can run at 8.77, be damped enough to dodge proto scans, have 408 shields and run 2x Damage mods for his Shotgun. Bring on some med frame ewar bonuses and I'll be golden. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14335	Posted - 2014.11.09 21:40:00 - [22] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cloaks! Cloaks Everywhere! ok the idea is basically a kick in the balls for scouts essentially.. remove their 15% pg and cpu per level fitting for cloaks... BUT get this.. add that bonus... TO THE CLOAKING SKILL its self... boom! whining about cloaked scouts? becoem a cloaked commando! or cloaked logi! or cloaked assault!.. /flame on! disclamer, i reserve the right to feign sarcasm or honesty at any time in this thread. ps. i think it would be hillarious if assaults became Scout-LITE.. and very ironic :P Booooo thats just buffing scouts by giving them another role bonus and encouraging everyone to use cloaks. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
PARKOUR PRACTIONER G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 2210	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:53:00 - [23] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Mex-0 wrote: The main problem is just cloaked scouts popping up out of nowhere and blapping you dead within seconds. true i do hate that, it needs to be like 2 seconds before they can attack once decloak is triggered.. and flux nades should disrupt cloaks too I thought at least when they first came out fluxes automatically disabled cloak? That i agree with. Fluxes are baaaad for ninja baaaad. But that would make sense, cloak electronic fluxes disabled electronic frequencies so this should be no problem. PSN Sil4ntChaozz *Define Min Scout-Ninja/Define Gal Scout-Predator* Scout Devotee Mk.0/Gk.0/'Sever'
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 196	Posted - 2014.11.09 22:55:00 - [24] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cloaks! Cloaks Everywhere! ok the idea is basically a kick in the balls for scouts essentially.. remove their 15% pg and cpu per level fitting for cloaks... BUT get this.. add that bonus... TO THE CLOAKING SKILL its self... boom! whining about cloaked scouts? becoem a cloaked commando! or cloaked logi! or cloaked assault!.. /flame on! disclamer, i reserve the right to feign sarcasm or honesty at any time in this thread. ps. i think it would be hillarious if assaults became Scout-LITE.. and very ironic :P Not going to help. Main issue is the scouts themselves The cloak just makes them even more overpowered. We need to give a direct kick to the balls to the scouts.... And afterwards we get anti-scout gamer ****** to throw them all in clone biomass vat acid.


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