DUST Search - Old vehicles reintroduction confimred!

CommanderBolt wrote:

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Large grain of salt. Very large. Mountains, not grains.

"We have plans to reintroduce them once we have current roles for Standard HAV's down. Once we know what vehicles are meant to do and what the variants are meant to do, we will be more than willing to add more."

That is a whole hell of a lot different than "reintroduction confimred!" That is a "when we finally have a role for vehicles and the non-standard ones are different enough from the standard ones, we are willing to add more (not that we WILL add more)."

At the moment, it is in the same exact state as "Player investment will transfer over to Legion." How? "We don't know but we want to."

Agreed, however "Yes, most certainly" and "we are more than willing to add more" is very promising stuff to be honest. They dont usually go out and say this sort of thing if they are not at least thinking about it.

It would also add a lot of bang for the 'buck' so to speak.

@ Adamance. We know you and many others including myself would love Amarr and Minmatar vehicles, all I am saying is these assets have already been made and are buried in the game. This is something a lot more attainable than creating new assets and models from scratch.

To be honest I am just as interested in LOGI vehicles as I am marauders / black ops tanks etc.... possibly more so!

"HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."

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CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2357	Posted - 2014.11.07 22:03:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.psu.com/feature/25135/DUST-514--Exclusive-interview-with-developers-CCP-Rouge-and-CCP-Rattati/?page=2 As stated here in this PSU interview with CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge. [Question.] In past updates, certain vehicles and vehicle modules were added and then removed due to balancing issues, for example, the Logi Varient of the LAV and dropship, Black Ops HAVs and remote repair modules. Are there still plans on their reintroduction? CCP Rattati: Yes, most certainly. Players who have been involved in the hotfix dialogue will be very aware of the spirited and often heated Anti-Vehicle vs Vehicle and Vehicle vs Vehicle debates. We are closer to balancing these primary roles than we have ever been. When we are relatively happy with that balance and data is showing that they all have a relevant role in the battlegrounds, we are more than willing to add more. Adding more into an imbalance is not an option. That's some pretty awesome news to hear! I would love to see the return of logistics vehicles and even some of our old favourite tanks. This is something I am sure the community would love =D "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2406	Posted - 2014.11.07 22:10:00 - [2] - Quote Large grain of salt. Very large. Mountains, not grains. "We have plans to reintroduce them once we have current roles for Standard HAV's down. Once we know what vehicles are meant to do and what the variants are meant to do, we will be more than willing to add more." That is a whole hell of a lot different than "reintroduction confimred!" That is a "when we finally have a role for vehicles and the non-standard ones are different enough from the standard ones, we are willing to add more (not that we WILL add more)." At the moment, it is in the same exact state as "Player investment will transfer over to Legion." How? "We don't know but we want to." "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14282	Posted - 2014.11.07 22:14:00 - [3] - Quote Whats the point of brining back marauders and enforcers if half the tanks are missing from the game anyway? "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2357	Posted - 2014.11.07 22:18:00 - [4] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Large grain of salt. Very large. Mountains, not grains. "We have plans to reintroduce them once we have current roles for Standard HAV's down. Once we know what vehicles are meant to do and what the variants are meant to do, we will be more than willing to add more." That is a whole hell of a lot different than "reintroduction confimred!" That is a "when we finally have a role for vehicles and the non-standard ones are different enough from the standard ones, we are willing to add more (not that we WILL add more)." At the moment, it is in the same exact state as "Player investment will transfer over to Legion." How? "We don't know but we want to." Agreed, however "Yes, most certainly" and "we are more than willing to add more" is very promising stuff to be honest. They dont usually go out and say this sort of thing if they are not at least thinking about it. It would also add a lot of bang for the 'buck' so to speak. @ Adamance. We know you and many others including myself would love Amarr and Minmatar vehicles, all I am saying is these assets have already been made and are buried in the game. This is something a lot more attainable than creating new assets and models from scratch. To be honest I am just as interested in LOGI vehicles as I am marauders / black ops tanks etc.... possibly more so! "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1675	Posted - 2014.11.07 22:25:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Whats the point of brining back marauders and enforcers if half the tanks are missing from the game anyway? reintroduce the old vehicles, balance them.. when all seems fair and right in the world.. make racial(amarr/minmatar) versions of the balanced tanks. saves on overall workload/time [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 376	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:15:00 - [6] - Quote Hopefully after reintroducing the old vehicles, I want Ratatti to surprise us for the Minmatar and Amarr variants. I'm looking forward to Logi dropships :D MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14290	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:15:00 - [7] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Large grain of salt. Very large. Mountains, not grains. "We have plans to reintroduce them once we have current roles for Standard HAV's down. Once we know what vehicles are meant to do and what the variants are meant to do, we will be more than willing to add more." That is a whole hell of a lot different than "reintroduction confimred!" That is a "when we finally have a role for vehicles and the non-standard ones are different enough from the standard ones, we are willing to add more (not that we WILL add more)." At the moment, it is in the same exact state as "Player investment will transfer over to Legion." How? "We don't know but we want to." Agreed, however "Yes, most certainly" and "we are more than willing to add more" is very promising stuff to be honest. They dont usually go out and say this sort of thing if they are not at least thinking about it. It would also add a lot of bang for the 'buck' so to speak. @ Adamance. We know you and many others including myself would love Amarr and Minmatar vehicles, all I am saying is these assets have already been made and are buried in the game. This is something a lot more attainable than creating new assets and models from scratch. To be honest I am just as interested in LOGI vehicles as I am marauders / black ops tanks etc.... possibly more so! If by this point they have not created the models from the rest of the racial groups that is a poor show. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
Denchlad 7 The Rainbow Effect 1062	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:30:00 - [8] - Quote Good. I want my Vayu. :( The Connoisseur of Weapons. 19/19 L5 P2. Snarcasm > Sarcasm Excessively British.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8267	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:32:00 - [9] - Quote Still waiting on my small Blaster to be useful CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14294	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:12:00 - [10] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: True Adamance wrote: Whats the point of brining back marauders and enforcers if half the tanks are missing from the game anyway? reintroduce the old vehicles, balance them.. when all seems fair and right in the world.. make racial(amarr/minmatar) versions of the balanced tanks. saves on overall workload/time ps. was goign to say INB4 True Adamance amarr HAV boner... but saw you already posted Needs to be the other way around. Bring in all Standard Racial Vehicles. Determine and rebalance roles. Then bring in Specialist HAV. "HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGÇª. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this." -Kador Ouryon
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2365	Posted - 2014.11.08 05:57:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: True Adamance wrote: Whats the point of brining back marauders and enforcers if half the tanks are missing from the game anyway? reintroduce the old vehicles, balance them.. when all seems fair and right in the world.. make racial(amarr/minmatar) versions of the balanced tanks. saves on overall workload/time ps. was goign to say INB4 True Adamance amarr HAV boner... but saw you already posted Needs to be the other way around. Bring in all Standard Racial Vehicles. Determine and rebalance roles. Then bring in Specialist HAV. I would love this honestly. If CCP need help financially to get this type of thing made a reality they could consider a sort of crowdsourcing event for the community? Persuade people to buy aurum, spend aurum, donate etc.... There are those that would. And those that would feel like it would be a worthy cause. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 342	Posted - 2014.11.08 06:30:00 - [12] - Quote Alot of the problems with the variant vehicles was that they were designed like the variant dropsuits. Works great for dropsuits, but with the vastly higher survivability of the vehicles it made for some broken fits. Especially the LAVs. Logistics LAVs were like small super-sport HAVs, hard as hell to kill and even harder to avoid when they were really going. Oddly, the logistics dropship wasn't any harder to kill than a normal dropship, though their ability to run away and regen back up made them just as survivable. Scout variants were rarely used because there was little reason to when you could spend the same SP and drive the much superior logistics variants.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14954	Posted - 2014.11.08 08:17:00 - [13] - Quote Hard to have balance when you introduce bonus damage, yet have nearly a 90/10 split Where the hell is anti shield AV? Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+ Bitter Vet extraordinaire
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2366	Posted - 2014.11.08 09:38:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Hard to have balance when you introduce bonus damage, yet have nearly a 90/10 split Where the hell is anti shield AV? In terms of infantry? - The plasma cannon is the anti shield AV. It molests shield tanks when you have good skills with the PLC. If you are using an Allotek PLC with a high level in the reloading skill, you can drop a shot in the back of a shield tank and be ready to fire again while the tank driver is wondering what hit him. "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 323	Posted - 2014.11.08 09:50:00 - [15] - Quote +és long as the data used to balance comes from PC, and the dev in charge is explicitly uninterested in understanding how what he wants to balance works, then no, we wont have either balance nor new vehicles. The "debate" is mostly rattati, soraya, atiim and a few others ground pounders against virtually the entire ADS community, Judge Rhadamanthus especially being given a rough time. Its never been "here's the data to show how unstoppable the ADS is lets talk about it" just "you're OP you shoot down RDVs!" I" will nerf without feedback" and 'your feedback is irellevant with numbers (which we don't have acess to)...I'm hardly paraphrasing, this came from rattati himself. Oddly enough when the isk payouts were so big in 1.9 it was alot more fun and i was willing to risk far more in my Drpopsip because i could afford to lose one per match, instead of playing it as safe as possible, which leads to the standard "no matter what don't lose 1 ADS every 4 games because low isk payout" which in turn leads to the B.S. claims that "you ran away you're OP" and "ermagerd a postive K/S ratio must nerf". Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2369	Posted - 2014.11.08 09:57:00 - [16] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: +és long as the data used to balance comes from PC, and the dev in charge is explicitly uninterested in understanding how what he wants to balance works, then no, we wont have either balance nor new vehicles. The "debate" is mostly rattati, soraya, atiim and a few others ground pounders against virtually the entire ADS community, Judge Rhadamanthus especially being given a rough time. Its never been "here's the data to show how unstoppable the ADS is lets talk about it" just "you're OP you shoot down RDVs!" I" will nerf without feedback" and 'your feedback is irellevant with numbers (which we don't have acess to)...I'm hardly paraphrasing, this came from rattati himself. Oddly enough when the isk payouts were so big in 1.9 it was alot more fun and i was willing to risk far more in my Drpopsip because i could afford to lose one per match, instead of playing it as safe as possible, which leads to the standard "no matter what don't lose 1 ADS every 4 games because low isk payout" which in turn leads to the B.S. claims that "you ran away you're OP" and "ermagerd a postive K/S ratio must nerf". Agreed, the higher payouts made for better battles, that is unquestionable. I don't want to get wound up in an ADS vs AV debate again but I do find it odd that when an ADS pilot goes 10/0 maybe 20/0 on a good day, people scream bloody mary. Yet REGULARLY I see proto sentinels, proto scouts, hell even the odd assaults go 30/0 44/0, 46/1 etc...... "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 650	Posted - 2014.11.08 10:07:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Where the hell is anti shield AV? Flux Nades and Plasma Cannons. Mostly Plasma Cannons :) Yep
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 118	Posted - 2014.11.08 13:34:00 - [18] - Quote 1. Dont believe it until i actually see it 2. Dont believe it when they are still nerfing vehicles and buffing AV 3. Dont believe it when the SL the easiest weapon to use in any game is still getting buffed and not fixing the broken mechanics of it ie broken lock on, broken tracking, broken missiles - Even the Wumpa Launcher from Crash Bandicoot 3 requires more aim than that piece of ****
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 75	Posted - 2014.11.08 15:36:00 - [19] - Quote I wonder if they even have names picked out for the Amarr and Minmatar HAVs.... oh, and getting Marauders, Enforcers, and BlOps back would be pretty cool too...same with the dreaded invincible taxis...just but it'll probably wait until after they fix all the issues with vehicles vs AV... oh, and as for moar anti-shield AV...give the LR bonus damage against vehicles... Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7487	Posted - 2014.11.08 15:48:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Whats the point of brining back marauders and enforcers if half the tanks are missing from the game anyway? I really wanna see you and Benjamin Ciskco go at eachother with Minmatar and Amarr tanks. I'll be watching from the sidelines in my MK.0 Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7487	Posted - 2014.11.08 15:49:00 - [21] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Still waiting on my small Blaster to be useful I actually got killed by one yesterday Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14957	Posted - 2014.11.08 16:19:00 - [22] - Quote Flint Beastgood III wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Where the hell is anti shield AV? Flux Nades and Plasma Cannons. Mostly Plasma Cannons :) And that handles Pythons...how exactly? Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+ Bitter Vet extraordinaire
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2345	Posted - 2014.11.09 15:10:00 - [23] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: oh, and as for moar anti-shield AV...give the LR bonus damage against vehicles... Why should a rifle damage a vehicle? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2203	Posted - 2014.11.09 15:33:00 - [24] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Hopefully after reintroducing the old vehicles, I want Ratatti to surprise us for the Minmatar and Amarr variants. I'm looking forward to Logi dropships :D No, hopefully they push through the Minmatar/Amarr vehicles and then reintroduce the old vehicles. Gò¡Gê¬Gò«(Gùú_Gùó)Gò¡Gê¬Gò«
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5881	Posted - 2014.11.09 16:48:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Whats the point of brining back marauders and enforcers if half the tanks are missing from the game anyway? It's easier than creating new models. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.

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