DUST Search - Dust on the Ps4 eventually petition

IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:

Cross Atu wrote:

While I would support seeing Legion on both PS4 and PC, I would support even more seeing Dust and our current player base on PC and PS4, a true migration rather than a translation.

Some may think I am off base for this, but I want our game to continue and thrive even past the PS3 and I am not ready to consign the future of Dust to simply being the predecessor to legion

The reasons why CCP would port Dust to both platforms boils down to "there's enough support to warrant it", if the numbers show there is an active community and Dust 514 is a profitable game I see no reason why it should not continue past the PS3.

Hey Cross

You were around for the fallout from FF this year right? To wonder if there is support makes me think you know most of that disappeared after this. To know if there *could* be that support? Again, look at the madness after FF. You know there could be.

I know recently since 1.9 Lightning xVx has asked CCP about a PS4 version. There are gonna be many many other ex-dusters that would be back. Whether those vitriol-spouting, all-caps raging ones are part of the problem you (CCP) don't want I don't know, but that sort of mentality will almost *always* exist in any game, with a very few exceptions.

If 1.10 is on the cards in the next few months (don't call it 2.0 unless it deserves major version change status), and there is talk of a 1.11 after that (again in terms of months) then you might just find out the answer to your question. People already came back for a bit of 1.9.

BUT THAT'S JUST ME!

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THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE Xer Cloud Consortium 65	Posted - 2014.11.07 11:15:00 - [1] - Quote May as well. It seems that if we show that we clearly want and will support something enough, it will happen right?. The changes in 1.9 have eliminated the grind and so player retention should improve. I play all the next gen stuff and dust still offers something unique. We want it on the Ps4 eventually or SOONtm or SOOOOOOOOOOOOONtm Please sign and state how much you love the game. With a ps4 port, dust could develop as slow as it wants as the ps4 is good for a long while. REMEMBER TO PROPERLY TERMINATE THEM CLONES!.
A SoulLesS Zealot Welp DreAds 0	Posted - 2014.11.07 12:50:00 - [2] - Quote To be honest i used to play dust ...then I got a ps4 and now i cant..
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3064	Posted - 2014.11.07 13:12:00 - [3] - Quote Nope. #PCMasterRace EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
VikingKong iBUN T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 172	Posted - 2014.11.07 13:21:00 - [4] - Quote A SoulLesS Zealot wrote: To be honest i used to play dust ...then I got a ps4 and now i cant.. Then why don't you just get a ps3 so you can play Dust, Mr iHazPS4?
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4582	Posted - 2014.11.07 13:25:00 - [5] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Nope. #PCMasterRace Pretty much... If Legion ever goes to the PS4 it should be well after a successful launch on PC... even then, I'm not sure why CCP would choose to port it over. My advice to you, playa...
Banjo Robertson Evzones Public.Disorder. 301	Posted - 2014.11.07 13:28:00 - [6] - Quote I would like to see dust on PS4, if only so that my buddies who all grabbed PS4's for destiny will have another way to play Dust again.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4454	Posted - 2014.11.07 15:49:00 - [7] - Quote This will have exactly zero effect on CCP's internal discussions, but sounds good to me. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Jacques Cayton II Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1010	Posted - 2014.11.07 15:54:00 - [8] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Nope. #PCMasterRace Pretty much... If Legion ever goes to the PS4 it should be well after a successful launch on PC... even then, I'm not sure why CCP would choose to port it over. I hate kbm i still play pc games with controllers unless its civilization We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
TooMany Names AlreadyTaken Going for the gold 262	Posted - 2014.11.07 19:02:00 - [9] - Quote DUST 514 is the best game I've ever played, I discovered it by accident over a year ago searching for free games on the Playstation Store, it got me from the first battle. <3 Playing it on the PS4... dream, dream, become true! That moment when you mow down a proto Caldari assault suit with a militia laser rifle. Words can't describe it.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3781	Posted - 2014.11.13 19:47:00 - [10] - Quote I support Dust 514 making its way to the PS4 and PC. Choosing one over the other is, to me, somewhat lackluster as I know members of the community already who are continuing their gaming 'post PS3' on one but not the other platform. Less than both locks out members of the community. Having said that I am interested in the level of community support for seeing Dust 514 make its way to next gen console and PC? This is something that I ran on as CPM (continued access to the game via both platforms) as there was a lot of support for it at the time, is this still something the player base feels strongly about? See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)

el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 458	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:06:00 - [11] - Quote Signed, +1. I've been using the dev sticky for Legion to state this, so no prob stating it here too. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 601	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:08:00 - [12] - Quote Sorry, Dust is a console game.. Legion is a gimmick to get CCP Dev support. Eveside should top down control us Pawns.. You need to ask yourself what has to happen to get Dust on both XBone and PS4? Stop the hate today and more players for us all. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 64	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:19:00 - [13] - Quote I hope dust never makes it to ps4 Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 955	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:19:00 - [14] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: I support Dust 514 making its way to the PS4 and PC. Agreed. The issue is when CCP chooses one: it should be the direct successor of the first platform if only one is allowed. I don't mind if Dust is on PC; I jut want to be able to play on the PS4. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3785	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:22:00 - [15] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Sorry, Dust is a console game.. Legion is a gimmick to get CCP Dev support. Eveside should top down control us Pawns.. You need to ask yourself what has to happen to get Dust on both XBone and PS4? Stop the hate today and more players for us all. We don't need to ask about the requirements for xBox, because one of them is Microsoft taking control of the game servers which CCP has flatly stated they are unwilling to consider (not that I blame them, I'm not a fan of MS taking control of my computers either I'm looking at you and your painful UI Windows 8 ). What would need to happen for Dust 514 to arrive on PS4? Community support for Dust and for such a migration. To be specific when I say support I mean all of the following. Player activity in game Player activity in the feedback cycle via constructive posts (i.e. non hyperbolic rage fests in caps) Talking about the game in a positive way on/off line (of course we're not talking about being dishonest here of obfuscating the truth as both of those are a waste of time, but simply presenting what you like about the game for what it is, no more, no less) Profitability. A company, gaming or otherwise, will rarely if ever abandon a profitable product. For the same reasons that a company will rarely if ever invest more money into a product/project which is running a sustained loss. Beyond community support Dust 514 on PS4 would likely call for a migration from UE3 to UE4 and that investment would take a hefty amount of Dev time, underscoring the value of and need for community support. As to Dust 514 on PC it is already developed there (that's how games are developed) and the game already supports various interface devices so no hitch there, the major short fall might be fully using the hardware a PC can offer which brings us back to a migration from UE3 to UE4. In short, much of the cost of migration for Dust from PS3 to PS4 or PC would be overlapping and much of the required means (i.e. community support) would be overlapping as well. To me the natural choice is, if the community support is there, eventually bring Dust 514 to both platforms thus increasing the possible player base and not leaving folks behind based on their preference for hardware upgrade (PS4 or PC). See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3785	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:27:00 - [16] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Cross Atu wrote: I support Dust 514 making its way to the PS4 and PC. Agreed. The issue is when CCP chooses one: it should be the direct successor of the first platform if only one is allowed. I don't mind if Dust is on PC; I jut want to be able to play on the PS4. If it comes to a choice of only one, it is - to be blunt - most likely to be the PC simply because it is a lower recourse investment to deploy on the same hardware type as you develop. This is, in part, why I am so opposed to the notion of our community focusing on a debate of "which one to choose". I believe we can most effectively make either happen by supporting the current game and by advocating that both happen. Others may disagree with me, but I would rather fight with the whole community for the whole community than divide the community against itself to fight about "which one" rather than devoting our energy to making a migration happen in the first place. 0.02 ISK Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 956	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:31:00 - [17] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: If it comes to a choice of only one, it is - to be blunt - most likely to be the PC simply because it is a lower recourse investment to deploy on the same hardware type as you develop. This is, in part, why I am so opposed to the notion of our community focusing on a debate of "which one to choose". I agree, I just feel that without the console involvement the game would be of substantially less value in the FPS market. Edit: As I said, I agree that both is by far the better outcome, I just can't abide the idea that if migration is on the cards that CCP should just up and abandon a large portion of the player base that has stuck with the game and CCP, even through some of the terrible decisions and phases. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3788	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:33:00 - [18] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Nope. #PCMasterRace Pretty much... If Legion ever goes to the PS4 it should be well after a successful launch on PC... even then, I'm not sure why CCP would choose to port it over. Quick note here; While I would support seeing Legion on both PS4 and PC, I would support even more seeing Dust and our current player base on PC and PS4, a true migration rather than a translation. Some may think I am off base for this, but I want our game to continue and thrive even past the PS3 and I am not ready to consign the future of Dust to simply being the predecessor to legion The reasons why CCP would port Dust to both platforms boils down to "there's enough support to warrant it", if the numbers show there is an active community and Dust 514 is a profitable game I see no reason why it should not continue past the PS3. Some will say, I am sure, that I'm tilting at windmills here but regardless this is something I support and want to see happen. 0.02 ISK Cross EDIT: Clone, I like my hashtag better #DustIsDustsFuture See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3788	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:34:00 - [19] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Cross Atu wrote: If it comes to a choice of only one, it is - to be blunt - most likely to be the PC simply because it is a lower recourse investment to deploy on the same hardware type as you develop. This is, in part, why I am so opposed to the notion of our community focusing on a debate of "which one to choose". I agree, I just feel that without the console involvement the game would be of substantially less value in the FPS market. Yep, both platforms bring some real value to the table, now we just need to show that via the community support so that CCP sees it too. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5846	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:39:00 - [20] - Quote Assuming a Legion green light, wouldn't it technically be easier to port that to the PS4? Or are we just using Dust/Legion interchangeably? Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3493	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:40:00 - [21] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Cross Atu wrote: If it comes to a choice of only one, it is - to be blunt - most likely to be the PC simply because it is a lower recourse investment to deploy on the same hardware type as you develop. This is, in part, why I am so opposed to the notion of our community focusing on a debate of "which one to choose". I agree, I just feel that without the console involvement the game would be of substantially less value in the FPS market. Yep, both platforms bring some real value to the table, now we just need to show that via the community support so that CCP sees it too. Hmmmmmm what an idea. And with Fanfest what.....exactly 4 months from now? Gosh that would be interesting wouldn't it? Hotfix Delta Sentinel eHP Calcs
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 984	Posted - 2014.11.13 20:59:00 - [22] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: While I would support seeing Legion on both PS4 and PC, I would support even more seeing Dust and our current player base on PC and PS4, a true migration rather than a translation. Some may think I am off base for this, but I want our game to continue and thrive even past the PS3 and I am not ready to consign the future of Dust to simply being the predecessor to legion The reasons why CCP would port Dust to both platforms boils down to "there's enough support to warrant it", if the numbers show there is an active community and Dust 514 is a profitable game I see no reason why it should not continue past the PS3. Hey Cross You were around for the fallout from FF this year right? To wonder if there is support makes me think you know most of that disappeared after this. To know if there could be that support? Again, look at the madness after FF. You know there could be. I know recently since 1.9 Lightning xVx has asked CCP about a PS4 version. There are gonna be many many other ex-dusters that would be back. Whether those vitriol-spouting, all-caps raging ones are part of the problem you (CCP) don't want I don't know, but that sort of mentality will almost always exist in any game, with a very few exceptions. If 1.10 is on the cards in the next few months (don't call it 2.0 unless it deserves major version change status), and there is talk of a 1.11 after that (again in terms of months) then you might just find out the answer to your question. People already came back for a bit of 1.9. BUT THAT'S JUST ME! You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3788	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:05:00 - [23] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Assuming a Legion green light, wouldn't it technically be easier to port that to the PS4? I'm not sure that's the case, porting an active game to a new platform isn't more resource intensive than building an entirely new game. But my tech savvy only goes so far so maybe I'm mistaken. Quote: Or are we just using Dust/Legion interchangeably? Won't speak for anyone else but I at least am not using them interchangeably. I will not claim never to have done so in the past, but I am unlikely to be doing so in the future. Cheers, Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3789	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:12:00 - [24] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Cross Atu wrote: While I would support seeing Legion on both PS4 and PC, I would support even more seeing Dust and our current player base on PC and PS4, a true migration rather than a translation. Some may think I am off base for this, but I want our game to continue and thrive even past the PS3 and I am not ready to consign the future of Dust to simply being the predecessor to legion The reasons why CCP would port Dust to both platforms boils down to "there's enough support to warrant it", if the numbers show there is an active community and Dust 514 is a profitable game I see no reason why it should not continue past the PS3. Hey Cross You were around for the fallout from FF this year right? To wonder if there is support makes me think you know most of that disappeared after this. To know if there could be that support? Again, look at the madness after FF. You know there could be. I know recently since 1.9 Lightning xVx has asked CCP about a PS4 version. There are gonna be many many other ex-dusters that would be back. Whether those vitriol-spouting, all-caps raging ones are part of the problem you (CCP) don't want I don't know, but that sort of mentality will almost always exist in any game, with a very few exceptions. If 1.10 is on the cards in the next few months (don't call it 2.0 unless it deserves major version change status), and there is talk of a 1.11 after that (again in terms of months) then you might just find out the answer to your question. People already came back for a bit of 1.9. BUT THAT'S JUST ME! Yeah I've been around since closed beta so I was here for the debacle at Fanfest. And you are right I personally already feel that the answer to my question "is there enough support" is a resounding yes. However persuading someone, let alone a company which also has to look at the opportunity cost, that it is the right move takes more than my say so it takes community posts, people buying AUR, people queing into matches, et al I'm not saying I expect gamers not to rage, that's a thing nine times out of ten, but what I am saying is that the rage doesn't contribute in any meaningfully positive way to the goal of proving support for Dust beyond the PS3, savvy? I find my thoughts to be very much in line with yours regarding the possibilities and effects of things like a 1.10 patch, but the more posts from folks who think/feel the same the more I am able to show/underscore that support. In essence what I am saying here is while actions speak louder than words there is no reason why we shouldn't use both Thanks for the reply Cheers, Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 603	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:18:00 - [25] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: We don't need to ask about the requirements for xBox, because one of them is Microsoft taking control of the game servers which CCP has flatly stated they are unwilling to consider (not that I blame them, I'm not a fan of MS taking control of my computers either I'm looking at you and your painful UI Windows 8 ). Just because XBox in the past would not allow games to connect to outside server. Nothing is stopping some kind of Middleware feature for XBox development in the future. Tranquility should never run on a Microsoft server and being with the shift in how games are operating I'm sure there will be a time Microsoft will relax some of them requirements to allow for a true cross platform experience. Cross Atu wrote: Beyond community support Dust 514 on PS4 would likely call for a migration from UE3 to UE4 and that investment would take a hefty amount of Dev time, underscoring the value of and need for community support. A few games have already did lots of the leg work to get U3 on the PS4. CCP would just have to consider if contracting or having a outside consulting to do this work. Then will this be profitable for having paid for that kind of extension of the Dust 514 codebase . Cross Atu wrote: To me the natural choice is, if the community support is there, eventually bring Dust 514 to both platforms thus increasing the possible player base and not leaving folks behind based on their preference for hardware upgrade (PS4 or PC). I have my reservations about Dust as a PC port. Managing hacking in a competitive environment is my biggest concern. Some of the GPU memory hacks for overlaying and displaying information . I just think the resources required to prevent this on PC can be put to much better use when focused just on console development. Over 60+ Million SP and full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/Xbox.
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3789	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:38:00 - [26] - Quote @Next I am sure that people can come up with various concerns regarding either platform but regardless of the validity there of making it a zero sum choice is in my view a profoundly losing proposition as it turns the community in on itself directly energy away from making a migration a reality. Better to focus on having a transition happen than on playing internal tug-of-war about "which one" when we have yet to lock down if there will be one at all, making it a zero sum game when it doesn't have to be seems very likely to result in a hobbled effort that is less likely to see fruition. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4790	Posted - 2014.11.13 21:45:00 - [27] - Quote THE MILLIONCLONE CHALLENGE wrote: I play all the next gen stuff and dust still offers something unique. We want it on the Ps4 eventually or SOONtm or SOOOOOOOOOOOOONtm Please sign and state how much you love the game. With a ps4 port, dust could develop as slow as it wants as the ps4 is good for a long while. I enjoy playing Dust 514. "Love" is a bit strong, but as many people have said, it has its moments. I very much want it to live on in Legion too. All that being said, I don't want Legion/Dust 514 on a console ^__^ PC please. My advice to you, playa...
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 986	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:03:00 - [28] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: [...] it takes community posts, people buying AUR, people queing into matches, et al Hopefully not to derail the thread....I've seen a few threads recently talking about the probs with FW queueing...taking forever, not happening (Aeon or Aero (I always mix those two up) said 19 minutes at one point or something) shaman oga started one of these threads in an attempt to make FW more accessible: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2456207#post2456207 If there is scope for a simple do-able quick fix for this then that will help with more game modes being used. You never know, that may translate to less stomping in pubs and a better NPE, which may in turn...yada yada yada you know what I mean cough DUST PS4 cough Anyway there's a couple suggestions that may or may not help with this littered around. I suggested adding some sort of players waiting in queue count to a screen somewhere if ppl are leaving when the timer says 0:00 in a self-perpetuating no-show. Or combining the FW queue with the pubs queue, and favouring FW. Select one or more of Ambush / Skirmish / Domination / Min FW / Amarr FW / Cal FW / Gal FW I've seen it happen in software I work on - the simplest idea, that takes five minutes to implement and test, can make a massive difference to ppl in ways you didn't realise....anyway you never know. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 461	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:09:00 - [29] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: I have my reservations about Dust as a PC port. Managing hacking in a competitive environment is my biggest concern. Some of the GPU memory hacks for overlaying and displaying information . I just think the resources required to prevent this on PC can be put to much better use when focused just on console development. I just wanted to add is I think CCP biggest problem with Dust on PS4 is UE4 not supporting the PS3.. So they are kinda suck in a really ****** place with the engine cause they can't upgrade both at the same time. I share this sentimemt with regards to PC gamer hacking and the win/loss risk/reward system in place in DUST. Truth is, if hackers hack a BF4 battle on PC, it sucks for the players, but outside of performance stats doesn't really matter. With the economic structure we have here, you grind to earn to play, losses under those circumstances would be catastrophic, especially for new players who'll be subjected to not just character XP and equipment gaps BUT to outside hacking as well. It would be just as devastating for vets also, PC would be a bottomless spiral of ddos attacks, lag spam, actual wallhacking, MAO and whatever the HOTM the script kids learned on you tube that week. The SONY network, while not flawless by any measure does at least provide a helpful level of stability and security against this sort of thing, which in turn creates a more reliable and secure gaming experience. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 291	Posted - 2014.11.13 22:14:00 - [30] - Quote Cross, I support any forward momentum of dust/legion to pc or ps4. If we make a communal petition thread for those in sorry abd we rally the player base to sign only in thread that it would make a difference to ccp? D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...



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