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Fibo Gjenn
UNIVERSAL BANDAGE
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:12:00 -
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Can't do anything than echo Echo, I'm doing way to good with the BA, for it to be anything but OP. it will be a sad day when they nerf it.
Although it feels like people may be shifting somewhat to armor tanking after the RR nerf, so it's brutal efficiency might be setting.
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Bax Zanith
Sinfonia1898
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:16:00 -
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I was using the breach AR before it was cool...
They didn't die from the cold without
They died from the cold within.
- James Patrick Kinney
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
481
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:23:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:So yeah, this gun needs toning down. Its doing far too much damage ATM. No. It is doing the exact same damage it has been doing since 3 hotfixes ago. No one complained back then, why the sudden tears now?
AKA - StarVenger
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
481
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:26:00 -
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KingBabar wrote: There is a reason for so many people using it right now, and it aint nostalgia... And that is because of the RR cqc nerf. If they didn't tweak the RR we wouldn't be having tis conversation.
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Commander Noctus
Gallente Loyalist
103
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:52:00 -
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Let's stop for a second and think for a second of the Gallente line of rifles in general.
The Assault/Plasma Rifle line of weapons are meant for what range?
-Short to Mid (aka, "CQC")
Outside of their range, are the Assault/Plasma Rifle specialized variants as effect as their other racial counterparts?
-No (aside from Assault variants) the racial variants far outdo the Gallente iterations (Combat dominates our Burst AR)
Now, with that in mind, let's ask ourselves a few questions regarding the Breach variant.
What is it this gun is meant to do?
-Deal the most damage at CQC per bullet
Does this CQC oriented weapon destroy at farther ranges that make it comparable to the Rail Rifle, it's closest competitor?
-No, it does not. The Rail Rifle is clearly superior in that aspect, from Mid and beyond.
Moving on to one final topic, regarding why people suddenly think it's apparently so OP.
Why do I want this gun nerfed?
-If your answer is "Because I'm totally wrecking with it, so it must be OP!", then ask yourself the next question.
----At what range are you "totally wrecking with it"?
---------If the answer to THAT is "Close to mid range", then your argument is invalid, as THAT'S THE RANGE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD AT.
---------If the answer to that is Mid to Far, please attempt using the Rail Rifle at the same range and notice how much MORE you wreck with that gun instead.
Granted, I find it odd that the Breach has a higher DPS than the Assault, I don't believe it is in need of a nerf. At all. Especially considering many posting here I've personally seen using ranged weapons to keep Gallente users far, far away from them, rendering them comparatively ineffective.
Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
351
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:00:00 -
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Her Chosen wrote:I don't feel its that's bad. Its not so over the top of any other gun. The RR hits just as hard, and can do it from 100m.
Is as bad as the RR pre-nerf? Is it as bad as the flaylock was? The laser? The bolt? Not even close. Its a viable option for a weapon, but its has counters and balance compared to other weapons. I'd say less than 50% of my deaths are from ein Breach AR.
Basic HMGs that can level any suit in the game within 45m is worse. SGs on undetectable scouts are worse. People camping on a roof top 80m away with RRs are worse. REs are worse.
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CUSE WarLord
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
55
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:04:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Deus Ops wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:So yeah, this gun needs toning down. Its doing far too much damage ATM. omg here it is, another cry baby. if you week everything will be op for you. buf nerf buf nerf buf nerf just be a man Echo is a very competent player so STFU. I'd be very surprised if you do better than him on average. And also, he is a 100% right. There is a reason for so many people using it right now, and it aint nostalgia... compared to all the other OP weapons in dust the BAR is average right now. so a nerf post is a bit of crying no matter who the player is.
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Boot Booter
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
1035
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:11:00 -
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OK as I pointed out to Rattati before it got buffed, it will perform slightly better than the basic AR due to higher alpha, less dispersion, higher damage per clip, and less recoil. Dps wise they are about the same. I don't think either are OP but I'd like the breach to be different rather than a slightly better basic AR. My suggestion was to give it lower dps and higher range than the basic AR to match the Caldari (breach) style variation in rifles.
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Vesta Opalus
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
165
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:49:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:So yeah, this gun needs toning down. Its doing far too much damage ATM.
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Thumb Green
Raymond James Corp
1676
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:03:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:OK as I pointed out to Rattati before it got buffed, it will perform slightly better than the basic AR due to higher alpha, less dispersion, higher damage per clip, and less recoil. Dps wise they are about the same. I don't think either are OP but I'd like the breach to be different rather than a slightly better basic AR. My suggestion was to give it lower dps and higher range than the basic AR to match the Caldari (breach) style variation in rifles.
Perhaps give the regular AR more range cause with breach in the name it implies the BAR is meant purely for CQC. Of course I have no clue if there might be some lore explaining that breach weapons are longer ranged.
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