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Lloyd Orfay wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Lloyd Orfay wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Lloyd Orfay wrote:

Oh, same thing has to happen to AV and gunnlogi/madrugar tanks too.

I feel these suggestions are uncalled for and unfounded.

Because observable in-game information such as anything not being those suggested tanks or very skilled ADS pilots gets completely destroyed by always prepared AVers is useless and unfounded.

I just genuinely cannot see why you feel Anti Vehicle weapons are worth of being nerfed as for the most part they function in their intended role of being high damage area denial and or vehicle destroying weapons.

More over I never thought I'd hear calls of "Nerf the Madrugar again" considering of the two hulls its significantly less efficiency and weak to 9 of the 11 anti vehicle options I can name off the top of my head while neither having the required PG to sustain and fit an array of high tier modules and turret like its counter part the Gunlogi which in its own right has issue relating to the distribution of utility modules and no barrel depression.

Nearly every time anything advanced and up, ranging from forgeguns to swarms make it so that people can just barely survive at all if they aren't using any specialised vehicles.

Nearly any slight amount of team work erases vehicles from the match, and that happens all the time.

Regardless of the armour tanks being subjected to most of the vehicle counters it still can tank a lot of health, and it still can get good enough armour regen, which is always regenerating on vehicles.

Their intended role is Anti Vehicle, but vehicles are intended to be used and not destroyed prior to nearly any action they do. Vehicle users are not wp banks for you convience, yet the point still stands that only specialised vehicles survive long. Not fair to everyone else.

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Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 812	Posted - 2014.11.06 02:22:00 - [1] - Quote How much evidence do you need? Scouts need to be hit by the hammer, not just the cloaks. They are still the best slayer suits. Something that they should not be. This honor should be that of Assaults and Commandos. Same problem we had with the Logistics for the longest time. Why are you drawing the FotM out so long when its a simple fix? Swag-suit4lyfe!
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 243	Posted - 2014.11.06 02:33:00 - [2] - Quote I don't pay much attention to details but whats the fix? I agree completely that scouts need to be beaten badly with a hammer Theres always money in the banana stand.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 732	Posted - 2014.11.06 02:35:00 - [3] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: How much evidence do you need? Scouts need to be hit by the hammer, not just the cloaks. They are still the best slayer suits. Something that they should not be. This honor should be that of Assaults and Commandos. Same problem we had with the Logistics for the longest time. Why are you drawing the FotM out so long when its a simple fix? Actually, Sentinels with a heavy machine gun are the best slayers, according to the data provided by Rattati in this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2436325#post2436325 So to answer your question, I guess it will be after they address the heavy/HMG combo first. Then we can hand the honor to Assaults and Commandos per your very arbitrary logic. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4534	Posted - 2014.11.06 02:41:00 - [4] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: How much evidence do you need? Scouts need to be hit by the hammer, not just the cloaks. They are still the best slayer suits. Something that they should not be. This honor should be that of Assaults and Commandos. Same problem we had with the Logistics for the longest time. Why are you drawing the FotM out so long when its a simple fix? Actually, Sentinels with a heavy machine gun are the best slayers, according to the data provided by Rattati in this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2436325#post2436325 So to answer your question, I guess it will be after they address the heavy/HMG combo first. Then we can hand the honor to Assaults and Commandos per your very arbitrary logic. those numbers are from PC, not from the majority of the game. We KNEW PC was screwed up before, Rattati simply confirmed it EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 733	Posted - 2014.11.06 02:46:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: How much evidence do you need? Scouts need to be hit by the hammer, not just the cloaks. They are still the best slayer suits. Something that they should not be. This honor should be that of Assaults and Commandos. Same problem we had with the Logistics for the longest time. Why are you drawing the FotM out so long when its a simple fix? Actually, Sentinels with a heavy machine gun are the best slayers, according to the data provided by Rattati in this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2436325#post2436325 So to answer your question, I guess it will be after they address the heavy/HMG combo first. Then we can hand the honor to Assaults and Commandos per your very arbitrary logic. those numbers are from PC, not from the majority of the game. We KNEW PC was screwed up before, Rattati simply confirmed it Nice try. PC has always been touted as the zenith of competitive game play in DUST 514, in which everyone uses their best, most effective gear. PC is regarded as the truest measure of competition in DUST, players playing at the highest level. Rattati's data is quite appropriate for the point I made. The facts are undeniable. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 112	Posted - 2014.11.06 02:51:00 - [6] - Quote Wait, are we going to beat scouts with hammers or not? I also would like to say, the 1.9 patch scared away a bunch of scouts and now the rest are easy to kill if you have a shotgun or a Kaal RR, not so much if you don't have those. My solution? Get rid of the cloak, I know it's harsh but it's the only way to eliminate cloaked scouts IMO "We have a Phoenix,a Rat, and a Frame. So far the Rat has taken our cheese and replaced it with a diamond called Dust."
Fizzer XCIV Heaven's Lost Property 813	Posted - 2014.11.06 02:53:00 - [7] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: I don't pay much attention to details but whats the fix? I agree completely that scouts need to be beaten badly with a hammer First you have to look at the issue. Q:What makes scouts better slayers than anything else? A:Unparalleled Ewar that allows them to cherry pick engagements and a Hitbox/HP/Speed ratio that makes them just as good (if not better) at 1v1 encounters as designated slayer suits. Fix: Reduce Ewar (specifically scanning, because omnesience at 80m it a bit rediculous) and increase hitbox size of scouts. Swag-suit4lyfe!
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 244	Posted - 2014.11.06 02:57:00 - [8] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: I don't pay much attention to details but whats the fix? I agree completely that scouts need to be beaten badly with a hammer First you have to look at the issue. Q:What makes scouts better slayers than anything else? A:Unparalleled Ewar that allows them to cherry pick engagements and a Hitbox/HP/Speed ratio that makes them just as good (if not better) at 1v1 encounters as designated slayer suits. Fix: Reduce Ewar (specifically scanning) and increase hitbox size of scouts. Sounds good to me. The ewars what kills me half the time anyways and the cowardly RE spam. Thought they were supposed to fix the RE anyways? Theres always money in the banana stand.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5805	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:00:00 - [9] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: How much evidence do you need? Scouts need to be hit by the hammer, not just the cloaks. They are still the best slayer suits. Something that they should not be. This honor should be that of Assaults and Commandos. Same problem we had with the Logistics for the longest time. Why are you drawing the FotM out so long when its a simple fix? I read. Q.Q I gt owned by 300HP player. LOL man...LOL... ''They are still the best slayer suits. Something that they should not be. This honor should be that of Assaults and Commandos. Same problem we had with the Logistics for the longest time.'' This honor should be reserved for the SKILLED player. Not to the one that just USES a specific suit. Also, take into consideration that MANY scouts are old school players. Its funny that some people think that because they have 15-20 million and an assault suit they should be able to win 1 vs 1 ,100% of the time against people like me in a scout suit....with 40+million sp and a shiton of experience... PS: People saying Ewar is the issue? I dont even have to Ewar anymore considering the amount of active scanners used XD Speed tanking is useless now. So i have 2 types of scouts left. Dampened or tanked. Thanks CCP The best Damage mod* is a HEADSHOT....
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2753	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:01:00 - [10] - Quote If the cloak over nerf wasn't enough for you, I don't know what will be. Maybe a full-auto Orbital Launcher? Also, it requires me triple complex damps and a proto cloak active to not be perma scanned anymore. On a suit with three low slots. Your complaining is ridiculous. Reducing eWAR could be the most ridiculous suggestion Ive ever heard. We are scouts. We are not assaults or heavies. We don't have the HP of assaults or heavies. We don't have 8 slots and super weapon bonuses, nor do we have HMG's. We have eWAR. Taking that away from us is like taking away the Sentinels Heavy weapon slot, or the Assaults slots and weapon bonuses. "Minja" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ I piss Remote Explosives and shit Shotgun shells.

Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 176	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:02:00 - [11] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: How much evidence do you need? Scouts need to be hit by the hammer, not just the cloaks. They are still the best slayer suits. Something that they should not be. This honor should be that of Assaults and Commandos. Same problem we had with the Logistics for the longest time. Why are you drawing the FotM out so long when its a simple fix? Pfftf commandos? Assaults? They don't have solid roles either. But yes scouts need to be hit by the hammer. Not just any hammer Not a sledgehammer Not Thor's hammer A hammer made by multiple white dwarfs fusing together, making the ultimate galaxy sized diamond hammer to smash wrath down upon scouts. Oh, same thing has to happen to AV and gunnlogi/madrugar tanks too. If snipers and scouts were removed for a day: This would be a one-day Dust version Pax Romana.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14227	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:04:00 - [12] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: Oh, same thing has to happen to AV and gunnlogi/madrugar tanks too. I feel these suggestions are uncalled for and unfounded. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 176	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:06:00 - [13] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Fizzer XCIV wrote: How much evidence do you need? Scouts need to be hit by the hammer, not just the cloaks. They are still the best slayer suits. Something that they should not be. This honor should be that of Assaults and Commandos. Same problem we had with the Logistics for the longest time. Why are you drawing the FotM out so long when its a simple fix? I read. Q.Q I gt owned by 300HP player. LOL man...LOL... ''They are still the best slayer suits. Something that they should not be. This honor should be that of Assaults and Commandos. Same problem we had with the Logistics for the longest time.'' This honor should be reserved for the SKILLED player. Not to the one that just USES a specific suit. Also, take into consideration that MANY scouts are old school players. Its funny that some people think that because they have 15-20 million and an assault suit they should be able to win 1 vs 1 ,100% of the time against people like me in a scout suit....with 40+million sp and a shi*ton of experience... PS: People saying Ewar is the issue? I dont even have to Ewar anymore considering the amount of active scanners used XD Speed tanking is useless now. So i have 2 types of scouts left. Dampened or tanked. Thanks CCP The higher the core skills/ gear level(basic/adv/proto), the less skill you need. If anything skilled players are anyone that can get more than 500+ wp with under level 3 in core skills. I kid you not that this game probably wouln't allow that, not enough at least. If snipers and scouts were removed for a day: This would be a one-day Dust version Pax Romana.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5533	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:08:00 - [14] - Quote You can't complain about Cloaked scouts AND EWAR anymore. Why? Because cloaked scouts can't use their passive scans anymore. Its a moot point. You got your nerf, and you still die. We are coming for you, and there is no nerf that will stop us. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y 235	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:11:00 - [15] - Quote Hey, if they made the shotguns or remotes a sensible weapon, then dust wouldn't have an "easy mode". G.L.O.R.Y solider, Master of the Heavy (Amarr & Gallente)
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 177	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:11:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: Oh, same thing has to happen to AV and gunnlogi/madrugar tanks too. I feel these suggestions are uncalled for and unfounded. Because observable in-game information such as anything not being those suggested tanks or very skilled ADS pilots gets completely destroyed by always prepared AVers is useless and unfounded. If snipers and scouts were removed for a day: This would be a one-day Dust version Pax Romana.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14227	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:16:00 - [17] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: True Adamance wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: Oh, same thing has to happen to AV and gunnlogi/madrugar tanks too. I feel these suggestions are uncalled for and unfounded. Because observable in-game information such as anything not being those suggested tanks or very skilled ADS pilots gets completely destroyed by always prepared AVers is useless and unfounded. I just genuinely cannot see why you feel Anti Vehicle weapons are worth of being nerfed as for the most part they function in their intended role of being high damage area denial and or vehicle destroying weapons. More over I never thought I'd hear calls of "Nerf the Madrugar again" considering of the two hulls its significantly less efficiency and weak to 9 of the 11 anti vehicle options I can name off the top of my head while neither having the required PG to sustain and fit an array of high tier modules and turret like its counter part the Gunlogi which in its own right has issue relating to the distribution of utility modules and no barrel depression. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
Pope Chester Ametat Security Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:20:00 - [18] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: I don't pay much attention to details but whats the fix? I agree completely that scouts need to be beaten badly with a hammer make the drop suit scan only see dots rather than the arrows that point out enemy direction. it slows down scouts from running a muck cause they can see everyones eyes
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4347	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:25:00 - [19] - Quote Increase Fire delay in cloak. That is all. I can still get a shotgun shot in while cloaked.
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 177	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:26:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: True Adamance wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: Oh, same thing has to happen to AV and gunnlogi/madrugar tanks too. I feel these suggestions are uncalled for and unfounded. Because observable in-game information such as anything not being those suggested tanks or very skilled ADS pilots gets completely destroyed by always prepared AVers is useless and unfounded. I just genuinely cannot see why you feel Anti Vehicle weapons are worth of being nerfed as for the most part they function in their intended role of being high damage area denial and or vehicle destroying weapons. More over I never thought I'd hear calls of "Nerf the Madrugar again" considering of the two hulls its significantly less efficiency and weak to 9 of the 11 anti vehicle options I can name off the top of my head while neither having the required PG to sustain and fit an array of high tier modules and turret like its counter part the Gunlogi which in its own right has issue relating to the distribution of utility modules and no barrel depression. Nearly every time anything advanced and up, ranging from forgeguns to swarms make it so that people can just barely survive at all if they aren't using any specialised vehicles. Nearly any slight amount of team work erases vehicles from the match, and that happens all the time. Regardless of the armour tanks being subjected to most of the vehicle counters it still can tank a lot of health, and it still can get good enough armour regen, which is always regenerating on vehicles. Their intended role is Anti Vehicle, but vehicles are intended to be used and not destroyed prior to nearly any action they do. Vehicle users are not wp banks for you convience, yet the point still stands that only specialised vehicles survive long. Not fair to everyone else. If snipers and scouts were removed for a day: This would be a one-day Dust version Pax Romana.

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5536	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:26:00 - [21] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Increase Fire delay in cloak. That is all. I can still get a shotgun shot in while cloaked. I think a 1 second delay is reasonable. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6483	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:26:00 - [22] - Quote So much stupid in here... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14227	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:30:00 - [23] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: True Adamance wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: True Adamance wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: Oh, same thing has to happen to AV and gunnlogi/madrugar tanks too. I feel these suggestions are uncalled for and unfounded. Because observable in-game information such as anything not being those suggested tanks or very skilled ADS pilots gets completely destroyed by always prepared AVers is useless and unfounded. I just genuinely cannot see why you feel Anti Vehicle weapons are worth of being nerfed as for the most part they function in their intended role of being high damage area denial and or vehicle destroying weapons. More over I never thought I'd hear calls of "Nerf the Madrugar again" considering of the two hulls its significantly less efficiency and weak to 9 of the 11 anti vehicle options I can name off the top of my head while neither having the required PG to sustain and fit an array of high tier modules and turret like its counter part the Gunlogi which in its own right has issue relating to the distribution of utility modules and no barrel depression. Nearly every time anything advanced and up, ranging from forgeguns to swarms make it so that people can just barely survive at all if they aren't using any specialised vehicles. Nearly any slight amount of team work erases vehicles from the match, and that happens all the time. Regardless of the armour tanks being subjected to most of the vehicle counters it still can tank a lot of health, and it still can get good enough armour regen, which is always regenerating on vehicles. Their intended role is Anti Vehicle, but vehicles are intended to be used and not destroyed prior to nearly any action they do. Vehicle users are not wp banks for you convience, yet the point still stands that only specialised vehicles survive long. Not fair to everyone else. As vehicle users we simply just have to do better, its what we do, its what we did pre-1.7. We HTFU and devise a better way to not lose our vehicle. It's the same for HAV and Dropships. We all have AV options and poor mechanics to watch out for, none of them are over powered enough to warrant a nerf however. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 255	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:34:00 - [24] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: How much evidence do you need? Scouts need to be hit by the hammer, not just the cloaks. They are still the best slayer suits. Something that they should not be. This honor should be that of Assaults and Commandos. Same problem we had with the Logistics for the longest time. Why are you drawing the FotM out so long when its a simple fix? This is Scouts 514 brah... the cloaking system is obviously the office favorite and a feature that they apparently want to use for marketing. Hell this patch saw our login avatars changed to SCOUTS ffs... Otherwise they would have pulled it back out after seeing how it totally wrecked the playing field of classes. I just hope they wake the hell up, Zipper did the same crap with Socom 4 and rode that fail ship right to the bottom. They put their OMGWTFBBQ glasses on and added all kinds of features that broke the gameplay and the community shouted at them to the point of mass bans on the forums, and yet they carried on... that studio was shut down. CCP is independent but they had better use this VALUABLE beta testing they are getting from the Ps3 community to balance these classes, otherwise Legion will fall flat on it's face. As the PC community will rip them to shreds in reviews and walk thru's in a way we hardly see here on Dust 514. CCP watched Zipper's MAG game very closely and even poached some talent from Zipper's team, so they should be VERY WELL AWARE OF ZIPPER'S MISTAKES. 2 of the 5 top weapons used in Planetary Conquest are shotguns bro... RE's will quickly jump into the top 5 soon as guys are getting 30+ kills vs elite players with them. CCP needs to wake the f up and balance the scout before the class shreds the remainder of the playerbase they are depending on for Legion Beta Testing. Just my 2 isk...
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5538	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:39:00 - [25] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: So much stupid in here... Yeah... This is a common issue on the forums lately. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 736	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:45:00 - [26] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: So much stupid in here... Have you ever noticed that most people that post Scout QQ sound noticeably uneducated? I don't mean DUST 514 uneducated, I mean "didn't do well in school" uneducated. And by uneducated I mean stoopid. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4350	Posted - 2014.11.06 03:45:00 - [27] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: So much stupid in here... Sorry. Not sorry.
Stevez Wingyip Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:06:00 - [28] - Quote Fizzer XCIV wrote: How much evidence do you need? Scouts need to be hit by the hammer, not just the cloaks. They are still the best slayer suits. Something that they should not be. This honor should be that of Assaults and Commandos. Same problem we had with the Logistics for the longest time. Why are you drawing the FotM out so long when its a simple fix? They are waiting till everyone respecs to them. Then they get nerfed so people buy respecs and the cycle continues.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1363	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:07:00 - [29] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Wait, are we going to beat scouts with hammers or not? I also would like to say, the 1.9 patch scared away a bunch of scouts and now the rest are easy to kill if you have a shotgun or a Kaal RR, not so much if you don't have those. My solution? Get rid of the cloak, I know it's harsh but it's the only way to eliminate cloaked scouts IMO I don't know what matches that you've been playing , all I see are scouts and that's no joke , I'm not for ruining their role but when you have so many people using the same suits and for slaying and it has advantages that no other suit has , which is prob the reason so many use it , something needs to be done . That and how people can just shoot at anything , it doesn't matter what weapon and your dead if your in range . It just seems like anyone can put on that suit with minimum e-war skills and wreak . The only thing that I could think of is change the profile of the suit like some have mentioned , it makes no sense that you can just put that suit on and be somewhat invisible with minimum e-war skills . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Yelhsa Jin-Mao Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 356	Posted - 2014.11.06 04:12:00 - [30] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: I don't pay much attention to details but whats the fix? I agree completely that scouts need to be beaten badly with a hammer Limit them to sidearms ONLY. Problem solved. And no, you CANT have my ISK!!!



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