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Sev Alcatraz 649	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:00:00 - [1] - Quote Yesterday, I enjoyed dust, I could field decent tanks/suits with out the fear of going completely broke, I could compete with the PC ass holes, not today, today if I loose a tank I'm in the hole, loose 2 or 3 decent suits and I'm in the hole. I've played for 2 and a half years, and yesterday when we were getting awsome payouts I enjoyed the game, I was gaining something... Bring back big payouts
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6463	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:03:00 - [2] - Quote If you've been playing so long why are you broke? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2016	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:05:00 - [3] - Quote I'm sorry to say this, but if you've been playing for 2.5 years then the only person you have to blame for not having enough ISK is yourself. Run cheaper suits, that way when you need to pull out the expensive stuff, you can afford it. That said, I do tend to agree that the entire risk/reward system should more heavily favor players who try to kill others and take flags over redline snpers who go 1:0. As it is now, how much ISK you make has more to do with how much you don't lose than how much you actually accomplish...and we are rewarding too highly people who specialize in low-risk situations (like redline sniping, redling tanking, roof camping, heavies in LAVs, etc.) rather than the people who are putting their ISK on the line to take flags and kill the opposition in a way that leads towards engaging and exciting gameplay. So I say do NOT bring back the large payouts, but rather correct the underlying risk/reward system to more heavily reward players to make for exciting, action packed matches.
Sev Alcatraz 649	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:08:00 - [4] - Quote If field a 300k. Tank wipe all enemy vehicles off the field and then get blow up at the end of the match from a red line forge gun that is impossible to hit, I get 150k barely enough to pay for the turret
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7388	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:08:00 - [5] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Yesterday, I enjoyed dust, I could field decent tanks/suits with out the fear of going completely broke, I could compete with the PC ass holes, not today, today if I loose a tank I'm in the hole, loose 2 or 3 decent suits and I'm in the hole. I've played for 2 and a half years, and yesterday when we were getting awsome payouts I enjoyed the game, I was gaining something... Bring back big payouts How have you played for 2.5 years and not saved up a decent amount of money? (Or at least learned how to budget your suits?) Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Sev Alcatraz 651	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:09:00 - [6] - Quote Also, I'm broke because when dust launched and there was the PC landgrab I threw almost all my money at my corp ( tritan industries at the time) and never bounced back
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7388	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:11:00 - [7] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: If field a 300k. Tank wipe all enemy vehicles off the field and then get blow up at the end of the match from a red line forge gun that is impossible to hit, I get 150k barely enough to pay for the turret Risk v Reward Never play a suit you can't afford to lose. I can run proto almost 24/7 because I play lots of PC. I play a high risk game made that gives you ZERO ISK if you lose. I take the risk, and get huge rewards. I use those rewards to fund more PC's, and then I use the leftovers to run proto's in pubs. My wallet typically fluctuates between 100 and 120 Million ISK. It's been like this for forever (Ever since I stopped specifically trying to save ISK). This means that my Income is roughly equal to my outcome. Budgeting. Learn what you can afford to run and die in on a regular basis. If you tend to die a lot, you can't ever really afford to run good gear. You will go so ISK negative, you will never be able to pull a profit. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6464	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:13:00 - [8] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Also, I'm broke because when dust launched and there was the PC landgrab I threw almost all my money at my corp ( tritan industries at the time) and never bounced back tilts head Still shaky there, had to have spent several hundred mill on PC, and that's just money for the mode itself don't get me started on the wars, and I'm still banked. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sev Alcatraz 651	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:14:00 - [9] - Quote Your also from a corp who locked districts and got ridiculous payouts, you were able to beat back everyone who wasn't locking districts
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2017	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:19:00 - [10] - Quote So you know, and I speak only for myself, but I have never received even a single ISK payout from my corp, other than to cover PC losses, which is our policy. And you only get PC payouts if you win, and they average much less than the typical payout I got last night. But, please, carry on.

LT Dans Legs Evzones Public.Disorder. 496	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:20:00 - [11] - Quote Yup, game was actually fun with higher payout. To Live Is To Die
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6464	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:23:00 - [12] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Your also from a corp who locked districts and got ridiculous payouts, you were able to beat back everyone who wasn't locking districts Haha, suddenly hostile huh? I'm not going to say we didn't, everyone did towards the end, but I personally wasn't gaining from it-in fact fought in many battles where I made no income- so that argument is both presumed and invalid. Also needlessly aggressive. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4425	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:24:00 - [13] - Quote You could always play Fw (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Sev Alcatraz 651	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:26:00 - [14] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: Your also from a corp who locked districts and got ridiculous payouts, you were able to beat back everyone who wasn't locking districts Haha, suddenly hostile huh? I'm not going to say we didn't, everyone did towards the end, but I personally wasn't gaining from it-in fact fought in many battles where I made no income- so that argument is both presumed and invalid. Also needlessly aggressive. I was stateing a valid point, not being hostile or agresive, you are just as guilty for locking, it's fact
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6464	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:28:00 - [15] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: Your also from a corp who locked districts and got ridiculous payouts, you were able to beat back everyone who wasn't locking districts Haha, suddenly hostile huh? I'm not going to say we didn't, everyone did towards the end, but I personally wasn't gaining from it-in fact fought in many battles where I made no income- so that argument is both presumed and invalid. Also needlessly aggressive. I was stateing a valid point, not being hostile or agresive, you are just as guilty for locking, it's fact mmmm ok then. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1608	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:30:00 - [16] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: If you've been playing so long why are you broke? if you asked me that question id say "Because Logi main" [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 346	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:38:00 - [17] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: If you've been playing so long why are you broke? yeah man, i just don't understand ^and i am proto in all 4 logis
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5832	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:39:00 - [18] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: If you've been playing so long why are you broke? if you asked me that question id say "Because Logi main" Logi's get a sh*t ton of ISK last week i was using my Adv Min logi and got a 700k payout. NEG1 EVE 21 Day Trial Selling Templar BPO's
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4555	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:40:00 - [19] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Yesterday, I enjoyed dust, I could field decent tanks/suits with out the fear of going completely broke, I could compete with the PC ass holes, not today, today if I loose a tank I'm in the hole, loose 2 or 3 decent suits and I'm in the hole. I've played for 2 and a half years, and yesterday when we were getting awesome payouts I enjoyed the game, I was gaining something... You enjoyed Dust because you were able to play risk-free. Who cares if you lose 50 proto dropsuits if one match can pay for them all... as for your excuse "I threw my money into PC, that's why I'm broke!" That isn't CCP's problem. You voluntarily spent the ISK. You are broke because you made yourself broke. Get into starter or standard fittings like the rest of us. My advice to you, playa...
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 765	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:47:00 - [20] - Quote Yesterday was awesome and dust should be that way anyway, i mean what cheap ass warlord sends people somewhere to die over and over to keep or take land for them and only pay you 250000 and you gotta pay for your own crap that you lose?? Thats just stupid, after yesterday i finally realized how ripped off we've all been and everyone's all giving this guy a hard time, the mans right, you should be clearing a mill a match, this game wasnt ment to be played in frontline suits, increase payouts so everyone fights harder! DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS

Songs of Seraphim Murphys-Law 36	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:50:00 - [21] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Yesterday, I enjoyed dust, I could field decent tanks/suits with out the fear of going completely broke, I could compete with the PC ass holes, not today, today if I loose a tank I'm in the hole, loose 2 or 3 decent suits and I'm in the hole. I've played for 2 and a half years, and yesterday when we were getting awsome payouts I enjoyed the game, I was gaining something... Bring back big payouts Grind. That's all there is to it. If you have more fun running proto and tanks, then you have to work for it. I have only been playing actively for the past 7 months, I wasn't in the PC circle-jerk, ran standard and advanced suits solely. Now I have proto suits (logi, assault, & scout) stocked to at least 200 per VERSION. And I have a wallet floating around 100 million or so, depending if I don't go on drunken splurges. So if you're broke and you've been playing for 2.5 years. That's on you. Play smart. Use BPOs or militia gear. Hell, I used pure militia for a week and did incredibly well. You just have to put in the effort.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14224	Posted - 2014.11.05 21:54:00 - [22] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Yesterday, I enjoyed dust, I could field decent tanks/suits with out the fear of going completely broke, I could compete with the PC ass holes, not today, today if I loose a tank I'm in the hole, loose 2 or 3 decent suits and I'm in the hole. I've played for 2 and a half years, and yesterday when we were getting awsome payouts I enjoyed the game, I was gaining something... Bring back big payouts Don't field what you can't afford. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 374	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:00:00 - [23] - Quote I feel for the logis. They could run the best of the best gear knowing if they did their job and supported the troops despite the risk....they would be greatly compensated for their troubles. Yesterday a member in my corp got 7 million for his troubles from a single match. He brought the best gear and kept our squad with ammo, reps for the heavies, and wouldn't think twice about stabbing a teammate with his kaalakiota injector. He was doing his job, having fun doing it.....and was paid well....now logis are back to dirty needles, broken repair tools, and gives up on saving lives because of self-preservation. Back to the logi dark ages.......with only their memories left to dream of the golden age of logis. 8-Time New Eden Mass Driver Champion Min Commando Combat Rifle and Mass Driver = FUN and Tears OMG the Tears!! :)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14224	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:03:00 - [24] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Also, I'm broke because when dust launched and there was the PC landgrab I threw almost all my money at my corp ( tritan industries at the time) and never bounced back As did I. 100,000,000 ISK to Dead Six Initiative which was lost funding alliance matches. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
LT Dans Legs Evzones Public.Disorder. 497	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:07:00 - [25] - Quote Yay, now we get less than we used to. I guess everyone doesn't like making money. Now all the pc elites can rest easy knowing they wont have any challenging matches on their hands. It's ok y'all, you can still proto stomp the normal players that have to run cheap ass suits. Salute To Live Is To Die
Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 4103	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:08:00 - [26] - Quote Look, what my buddy is trying to say here is that the low payouts are just awful for everyone. Most vets(besides Sev) have saved up enough isk to now worry about running Proto but a lot of newberries have a tough go at it. Let them make some more isk, is it really hurting the economy? There is trillions of isk floating around because of PC anyway, let them eat cake! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Sinboto Simmons Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 6470	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:09:00 - [27] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Look, what my buddy is trying to say here is that the low payouts are just awful for everyone. Most vets(besides Sev) have saved up enough isk to now worry about running Proto but a lot of newberries have a tough go at it. Let them make some more isk, is it really hurting the economy? There is trillions of isk floating around because of PC anyway, let them eat cake! The cake is a lie! But yes new guys need cash. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Jathniel G I A N T 1230	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:39:00 - [28] - Quote I refuse to believe that a fundamental part of Dust, "Risk", is what was killing the game. We need to modify the isk payout to encourage players to play. Did a match today, and earned only 275k, although I suffered no losses, and did pretty well. The other team, ended up redline sniping, and afking in the MCC. I refuse to believe that some of our veterans are so fked up, that they think GOING BACK to imposing that poverty is good for the game. We need isk payouts to be around 500k-1.5m to get the game as fun and playable as it was yesterday, and still have the "Risk" element. I like the Proto-Centric gameplay. Noobs starting out with STD and ADV gear, shouldn't need to be so worried about their pocketbooks, all it does is perpetuate the redline sniping and afking. They get their passives, and get their proto, and should be jumping into the fight, like I saw yesterday. What was happening on November 4, is a fk-ton better than what we have regressed to. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Sev Alcatraz 656	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:44:00 - [29] - Quote Like LTdanslegs said, the PC locking scrub muffens don't want competition, it's ok for them to be rich, but if everyone else has cash it's blasphemy. Yesterday people were going full bore like never before, today there red line sniping and hiding
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14871	Posted - 2014.11.05 22:48:00 - [30] - Quote People just throw isk at me haha, its a disease Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+ Bitter Vet extraordinaire



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