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Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3427	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:23:00 - [1] - Quote The change in delay is so minute that what I gather from scouts who have played the role far more than me is hardly if at all a notice able change. The reduction to precision from what I have heard from scouts has reduced solo scouts effectiveness (Minus amarr) and that they must rely on squad members using their scanners. Fatal Absolution Director
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17586	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:24:00 - [2] - Quote The point is we can now change it; before we hit a limit without doing a client patch. Expect a follow up in the next balancing hotfix. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3427	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:27:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The point is we can now change it; before we hit a limit without doing a client patch. Expect a follow up in the next balancing hotfix. On the topic of balance hotfixes the most recent one so was overwritten by 1.9, RR's are back to what they once were and no native armor repair as well as all the other small tweaks. Fatal Absolution Director
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5445	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:31:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The point is we can now change it; before we hit a limit without doing a client patch. Expect a follow up in the next balancing hotfix. This makes lots of sense. I kind of wish that a similar statement had gone out with the patch notes, explaining this part of the process. 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 874	Posted - 2014.11.04 21:42:00 - [5] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The reduction to precision from what I have heard from scouts has reduced solo scouts effectiveness (Minus amarr) and that they must rely on squad members using their scanners. . Fairly sure it's range thats reduced... Obviously you're talking to some dumb scouts... probs the ones in your Corp.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3429	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:49:00 - [6] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The reduction to precision from what I have heard from scouts has reduced solo scouts effectiveness (Minus amarr) and that they must rely on squad members using their scanners. . Fairly sure it's range thats reduced... Obviously you're talking to some dumb scouts... probs the ones in your Corp. Quote: * An Active Cloak now also reduces the player's Passive Scan Radius by 85% in addition to Signature Profile You mean the scouts that could rek you 6 times over before you realized what hit you? And a range reduction is a reduction to precision because what good would 0 db precision be if it had a radius of 1 meter Fatal Absolution Director
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1581	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:50:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The point is we can now change it; before we hit a limit without doing a client patch. Expect a follow up in the next balancing hotfix. needs to be 1-2 seconds at least [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 124	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:56:00 - [8] - Quote Of course good scouts don't feel the difference as they attack from behind, I can decloak 3 seconds before attacking my enemy he will not see me. People will never understand that... Personally I like the change, now you have to be fully decloaked to attack so that frontal assault is much less viable (except against the numerous blind noobs of course), whereas using a cloak doesn't penalize you.
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 124	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:56:00 - [9] - Quote Double post sorry
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5449	Posted - 2014.11.04 22:59:00 - [10] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The reduction to precision from what I have heard from scouts has reduced solo scouts effectiveness (Minus amarr) and that they must rely on squad members using their scanners. . Fairly sure it's range thats reduced... Obviously you're talking to some dumb scouts... probs the ones in your Corp. The original suggestion by Haerr was for a change in precision, so its possible that is what he was hearing. In the end though, what does it really matter? Changing precision to 99 dB while cloaked is effectively the same as changing the range to 0 m (though the actually change is 5 m which isn't significantly better). 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?

Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 557	Posted - 2014.11.04 23:26:00 - [11] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The reduction to precision from what I have heard from scouts has reduced solo scouts effectiveness (Minus amarr) and that they must rely on squad members using their scanners. . Fairly sure it's range thats reduced... Obviously you're talking to some dumb scouts... probs the ones in your Corp. Quote: * An Active Cloak now also reduces the player's Passive Scan Radius by 85% in addition to Signature Profile You mean the scouts that could rek you 6 times over before you realized what hit you? And a range reduction is a reduction to precision because what good would 0 db precision be if it had a radius of 1 meter /facepalm Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 878	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:05:00 - [12] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The reduction to precision from what I have heard from scouts has reduced solo scouts effectiveness (Minus amarr) and that they must rely on squad members using their scanners. . Fairly sure it's range thats reduced... Obviously you're talking to some dumb scouts... probs the ones in your Corp. Quote: * An Active Cloak now also reduces the player's Passive Scan Radius by 85% in addition to Signature Profile You mean the scouts that could rek you 6 times over before you realized what hit you? And a range reduction is a reduction to precision because what good would 0 db precision be if it had a radius of 1 meter /facepalm IKR LOL
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 878	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:07:00 - [13] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The reduction to precision from what I have heard from scouts has reduced solo scouts effectiveness (Minus amarr) and that they must rely on squad members using their scanners. . Fairly sure it's range thats reduced... Obviously you're talking to some dumb scouts... probs the ones in your Corp. Quote: * An Active Cloak now also reduces the player's Passive Scan Radius by 85% in addition to Signature Profile You mean the scouts that could rek you 6 times over before you realized what hit you? And a range reduction is a reduction to precision because what good would 0 db precision be if it had a radius of 1 meter The cloak reduces the signature of the wearer eg. Proto cloak 10% moar dampening Activating the cloak only reduces scan radius.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3433	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:13:00 - [14] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The reduction to precision from what I have heard from scouts has reduced solo scouts effectiveness (Minus amarr) and that they must rely on squad members using their scanners. . Fairly sure it's range thats reduced... Obviously you're talking to some dumb scouts... probs the ones in your Corp. Quote: * An Active Cloak now also reduces the player's Passive Scan Radius by 85% in addition to Signature Profile You mean the scouts that could rek you 6 times over before you realized what hit you? And a range reduction is a reduction to precision because what good would 0 db precision be if it had a radius of 1 meter The cloak reduces the signature of the wearer eg. Proto cloak 10% moar dampening Activating the cloak only reduces scan radius. Yes I noticed my mistake, but it doesn't change the fact that it was nerfed. Fatal Absolution Director
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17598	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:14:00 - [15] - Quote Francois Sanchez wrote: Of course good scouts don't feel the difference as they attack from behind, I can decloak 3 seconds before attacking my enemy he will not see me. People will never understand that... Personally I like the change, now you have to be fully decloaked to attack so that frontal assault is much less viable (except against the numerous blind noobs of course), whereas using a cloak doesn't penalize you. This is true as a scout whenever I stab someone my cloak is ready to fire off and get me out of there. So not only did I decloak without you noticing me; but I had time before I pounced. Overall the change is more intent on not letting scouts do the jack in the box pop up surprise in front of their targets and still win. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 878	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:21:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The bigger issue that needs redressal is the 360 sound issues; things you dont see typically dont generate noise. Lol whut? Get the **** off the CPM!
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1081	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:23:00 - [17] - Quote Can you still abuse the cloak with macro functions? How to balance cloaks.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3434	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:35:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Francois Sanchez wrote: Of course good scouts don't feel the difference as they attack from behind, I can decloak 3 seconds before attacking my enemy he will not see me. People will never understand that... Personally I like the change, now you have to be fully decloaked to attack so that frontal assault is much less viable (except against the numerous blind noobs of course), whereas using a cloak doesn't penalize you. This is true as a scout whenever I stab someone my cloak is ready to fire off and get me out of there. So not only did I decloak without you noticing me; but I had time before I pounced. Overall the change is more intent on not letting scouts do the jack in the box pop up surprise in front of their targets and still win. The bigger issue that needs redressal is the 360 sound issues; things you dont see typically dont generate noise. So you want to make it so scouts can't be heard running behind you? Dafug I hear things that I don't see all the time like when someone in another room drops something. I would also like to point out Cloaking technically speaking is bending light around an object in such a manner that it blends in with the environment and can not be seen it can even be done IRL using multiple lenses of varying sizes spaced correctly and when you stand behind it you are essentially invisible if you were to jump you would still be heard though. Fatal Absolution Director
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17600	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:43:00 - [19] - Quote I am stating there is an issue with the game currently that needs to be revisited and possibly attempted a fix at when time allows. People misread so terribly. There are a few noises that gets super high priority such as RDVs, Strikes, and Equipment, things given lower priority are foot steps; some weapons fire, and cloaks even. The game can only play so many sounds at once so something less important will lose out. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
medomai grey WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1082	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:44:00 - [20] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Francois Sanchez wrote: Of course good scouts don't feel the difference as they attack from behind, I can decloak 3 seconds before attacking my enemy he will not see me. People will never understand that... Personally I like the change, now you have to be fully decloaked to attack so that frontal assault is much less viable (except against the numerous blind noobs of course), whereas using a cloak doesn't penalize you. This is true as a scout whenever I stab someone my cloak is ready to fire off and get me out of there. So not only did I decloak without you noticing me; but I had time before I pounced. Overall the change is more intent on not letting scouts do the jack in the box pop up surprise in front of their targets and still win. The bigger issue that needs redressal is the 360 sound issues; things you dont see typically dont generate noise. So you want to make it so scouts can't be heard running behind you? Dafug I hear things that I don't see all the time like when someone in another room drops something. I would also like to point out Cloaking technically speaking is bending light around an object in such a manner that it blends in with the environment and can not be seen it can even be done IRL using multiple lenses of varying sizes spaced correctly and when you stand behind it you are essentially invisible if you were to jump you would still be heard though. ~~Good catch Benjamin, Iron Wolf Saber's idea is horrible.~~ Never mind. Wolf just communicated an idea in a way that could easily be misinterpreted. How to balance cloaks.

Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3436	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:50:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I am stating there is an issue with the game currently that needs to be revisited and possibly attempted a fix at when time allows. People misread so terribly. There are a few noises that gets super high priority such as RDVs, Strikes, and Equipment, things given lower priority are foot steps; some weapons fire, and cloaks even. The game can only play so many sounds at once so something less important will lose out. You weren't exactly very specific and that was in poor context. Strikes being high priority is unnerving though because I can't tell you how many times an OB killed me and then I heard it drop and unless that was fixed in 1.9 which even if it has been shows its taking a while for a high priority sound fix to get fixed. Fatal Absolution Director
DDx77 Kinsho Swords Caldari State 19	Posted - 2014.11.05 00:55:00 - [22] - Quote On the topic of balance hotfixes the most recent one so was overwritten by 1.9, RR's are back to what they once were and no native armor repair as well as all the other small tweaks.[/quote] Can't you people please keep your filthy stupid dumb faces shut please? There is nothing to see here EVERYTHING IS WORKING AS INTENDED
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1220	Posted - 2014.11.05 01:34:00 - [23] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The point is we can now change it; before we hit a limit without doing a client patch. Expect a follow up in the next balancing hotfix. On the topic of balance hotfixes the most recent one so was overwritten by 1.9, RR's are back to what they once were and no native armor repair as well as all the other small tweaks. R u kidding me RR's back too what they were. Man people can't use anything else cuz it's not easy mode like the RR Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 755	Posted - 2014.11.05 01:37:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The point is we can now change it; before we hit a limit without doing a client patch. Expect a follow up in the next balancing hotfix. If you increase delay time decrease range penalties. DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries 705	Posted - 2014.11.05 01:45:00 - [25] - Quote I ran my Gallente shotgun scout this morning before I used a respec, and I noticed no difference really. Why am I still here yet?


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