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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:42:00 -
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I said this before nerf. The problem wasn't damage with swarms. It was the Dropships ability to evade.
ALL THEY NEEDED TO DO WAS NERF THE COOLDOWN ON AFTERBURNERS.
But no. Now you get killed for getting within 150m of any swarmer. You enter range and get locked. By the time you see the swarms, second volley is away. As you move away, first has hit, second has been launched and third is away.
A proto Minmando swarmer can deal almost 1700 raw damage a swarm. 3 is enough to wreck any incubus fit, since you have to run an afterburner if you even want to be able to survive any engagement.
Right now, the only way to make a DS work is like this:
1.) Afterburn and skybox the MOMENT you hear a swarm.
2.) Wait for shield to regen and afterburner to CD. Go back into the area, and wait for him to release swarms again. Afterburn; Skybox but look at the swarm trails to find him.
3.) Wait for shield regen and afterburner CD. All in the single swarmer in an attempt to kill him before he kills you. Once you get in Missile turret range, you can't bail, since he will just send swarms at you to kill you while you run. All in the dude and hope for the best.
4.) Rinse and repeat until there are more swarmers than you can possibly deal with.
^^^^^^
THIS IS NOT BALANCE
Not even transport Derps are viable. They are so slow, they are simply one-stop taxi's, even with hardeners. You can't escape the swarms, you will only be able to tank damage long enough for your precious cargo to get off.
Which begs the question: Why the HELL are you using an uber expensive taxi?? It's literally cheaper to get a MLT fit, go to skybox and drop everyone from up there. There is no reason to skill into an actual dropship skill, since the racial skills give you insignificant bonuses.
Hell, I don't even dropship as a main. I just picked this thing up cause I was bored. I can't imagine what some guys would feel like if they actually dropped SP into this thing. I'd feel jipped. I'd want a respec.
IT'S THAT BAD.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7304
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Posted - 2014.11.04 06:58:00 -
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It's not. If you honestly believe that swarms and ADS are balanced, I openly question your ability to evaluate without bias.
AV completely has the upper hand. It's not even funny. I'm not gonna lie, ADS was OP as HELL before this, but once again, this was too far. All I ever want in this game is balance.
The problem with the old ADS was that it could escape easily and frequently. Swarms drove them off because the damage is still the same. 3 Minmando Swarms are almost always death. However, they escaped too easily, and could do this FREQUENTLY.
Escape wasn't too bad, since you denied them kills and removed them from the battle. Yeah, you didn't get the kill but SO WHAT. You get points for dealing damage, which rewards you for fending him off. If they were to just nerf the afterburner, he would be forced to decide what targets were worth the afterburner. If he knew that infantry were bunching up on a point, he would go in, try and get a few kills or remove uplinks, and then bail and skybox until AB recharged. ADS had a role, which was infantry support via removal of troops in vantage points. With little cover, the ADS tore into them.
You can easily launch 2 swarms at him before he gets in range. Quick reload after 2 swarms so that you have 3 in the clip when he tries to run. Fire 2 more times and he's done. Game over.
This is not balance. Unless AV makes a mistake, the ADS is gone. That means the advantage is solely in the hand of the AV. Just like before, when it was the other way around. ADS's used to only get destroyed if the ADS made a mistake.
This is not balance.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.04 07:00:00 -
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SagaB wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Micheal Jordan23, idk what f*cking fit he uses but he can tank my entire clip of swarms from my cal mando with triple stacked comp light damage mods. You can kill swarms because i've been killed many times by ads.
It's harder then before but i still get killed a lot by ADS's when im swarming.
Change up your fits because it is possible to tank swarms. Please share with the class because every Incubus fit I use goes down to exactly three proto swarm hits without exception. And they travel faster than me at full speed with AB on when I run before the first hit. if I coukd still record I would just to document the stupidity. Immortal turrets and every AV under the sun doing bonus damage to armor doesnt help much. Ask Derrith. I don't know how he does it, but he always escapes my swarms  He recently wrote an ADS guide.
I talked to him recently.
What I wrote above (Those 4 steps) were his advice to me on how to deal with swarms.
It's really the only effective way. And it takes tons of time and effort to do so.
In all honesty, I've had more success winning matches by making ADS's AV magnets. Have one show up, all the sudden everyone pulls out swarms and our infantry just starts killing swarmers as they try to kill the ADS in blind rage.
I wish I was kidding.
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