DUST Search - 1.9 cloak field

CeeJ Mantis wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

Moving across open areas.

While actually scouting, flagging targets with your cursor to mark targets you want your squad to focus on instead of randomly attacking every red dot you happen to share.

Hiding from groups who move into your area.

Hiding from that burst HMG sentinel who is LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU and isn't firing because you're holding still and he doesn't see you.

Because sometimes you want to sneak past all eight of the red dots in front of you to kill the logi supporting the inevitable sentinel spammers.

Uplink clearing. Someone's gotta do it.

The vehicle scanner might spot you, but the gunner won't.

Dropship can't accurately drop missiles on you while you stand in the open giving him the finger between PLC shots trying to bounce him off buildings.

Decloaking only when you're ready to use your sniper rifle.

Because you can.

And a proto cloak yields little advantage over a basic in most of those circumstances. they either rely on one or more people not seeing the shimmering in an extremely dangerous situations. Not saying people aren't blind, but any strategy that relies on you enemy to be unobservant/stupid it is risky, and one that relies on it for 40 seconds while you are blind and deaf probably needs reevaluation, or requires a mic which isn't fair to people without means, or who speak other languages.

If you could tag a target, or put markers on locations without having to be squad leader, then it would be very different.(Looking at an enemy directly doesn't make them light up for your squad anymore, just you)

EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.


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Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4367	Posted - 2014.11.03 15:09:00 - [1] - Quote It means you have to plan your attacks and drop cloak more often to verify target positions more often. In short, if you intend to run with the assassination scout meta you must do more planning and utilize more caution than you currently do. Stupid scouts will now get butchered. Smart scouts will simply slow down the pace of murder with the same near-impunity that they enjoy now. If you cannot think and plan on the fly, then there is always playing assault. We can always use more expendable cannon fodder in the field. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4367	Posted - 2014.11.03 15:19:00 - [2] - Quote Both statements are valid Ripley. Confirming I am a semi-AFK murder-gorilla. Except I use basic. Wasting protofits on the bads running pubs is stupid. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4367	Posted - 2014.11.03 15:33:00 - [3] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Quote: so is the only reason to use a good cloak to cover distances of 200 meters over open ground? Yes, try using the scout as a scout. It's just makes too much sense. Didn't you realize that in real life "scout" actually means "guy who kills the enemy army silently by himself?" Clearly the rest of us need to git gud and roll scout. Disclaimer: GoingtorunapostnerfcalscoutblameCrosshegoadedme! EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4369	Posted - 2014.11.03 15:53:00 - [4] - Quote Playing a sniper anywhere other than in the redline. Oh look, a reason to proto up the cloak. It took me less than a second to cook up. Shall we go down the list I can cook up between now and getting home from work? EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4376	Posted - 2014.11.03 17:01:00 - [5] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Nerfing scan radius while cloaked won't really fix anything. They should have increased the time to recloak. 0.33 isn't going to fix anything. Radius nerf won't make a difference, if a brief decloak is all that's necessary to grab a scan, because a scout with even a single dampener will be well hidden from medium and heavy suit scans. This won't do a damn thing to Cal Scout scan radius. Recloak delay of 3-5 seconds should have been the price to pay. But we'll see what changes tomorrow. Excuse me sir, you cannot get a sentinel's precision low enough to see an undamped scout. You can barely get it below an undamped assault with level 5 sensor dampening skill. Barely. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4377	Posted - 2014.11.03 17:34:00 - [6] - Quote Moving across open areas. While actually scouting, flagging targets with your cursor to mark targets you want your squad to focus on instead of randomly attacking every red dot you happen to share. Hiding from groups who move into your area. Hiding from that burst HMG sentinel who is LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU and isn't firing because you're holding still and he doesn't see you. Because sometimes you want to sneak past all eight of the red dots in front of you to kill the logi supporting the inevitable sentinel spammers. Uplink clearing. Someone's gotta do it. The vehicle scanner might spot you, but the gunner won't. Dropship can't accurately drop missiles on you while you stand in the open giving him the finger between PLC shots trying to bounce him off buildings. Because you can. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4389	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:33:00 - [7] - Quote CeeJ Mantis wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Moving across open areas. While actually scouting, flagging targets with your cursor to mark targets you want your squad to focus on instead of randomly attacking every red dot you happen to share. Hiding from groups who move into your area. Hiding from that burst HMG sentinel who is LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU and isn't firing because you're holding still and he doesn't see you. Because sometimes you want to sneak past all eight of the red dots in front of you to kill the logi supporting the inevitable sentinel spammers. Uplink clearing. Someone's gotta do it. The vehicle scanner might spot you, but the gunner won't. Dropship can't accurately drop missiles on you while you stand in the open giving him the finger between PLC shots trying to bounce him off buildings. Decloaking only when you're ready to use your sniper rifle. Because you can. And a proto cloak yields little advantage over a basic in most of those circumstances. they either rely on one or more people not seeing the shimmering in an extremely dangerous situations. Not saying people aren't blind, but any strategy that relies on you enemy to be unobservant/stupid it is risky, and one that relies on it for 40 seconds while you are blind and deaf probably needs reevaluation, or requires a mic which isn't fair to people without means, or who speak other languages. If you could tag a target, or put markers on locations without having to be squad leader, then it would be very different.(Looking at an enemy directly doesn't make them light up for your squad anymore, just you) Any strategy that requires on the scout to be stupid/make an error is risky and STUPID. The changes make it so you don't have to be reliant on the scout to be a pants-on-head dumbass to find and kill him. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4391	Posted - 2014.11.03 19:17:00 - [8] - Quote funny, once you get all the EWAR skills to 5, and cloak skill to 5 I can't think of a reason NOT to cloak and run nothing but EWAR mods. Nor can I think of a reason to run anything better than a C-1, G-1 or A-1. Cheap, effective and you can shotgun people in the back because unless they have a hand scanner, they will never find you unless they're a scout and if they do, I spent less on my fit than you spent on your gun, most likely. Oh, I forgot, being maxed out in cores pretty much lets me do that with sentinels too. And Assaults. And Logi... Screw it. I'm never running expensive fits again. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4417	Posted - 2014.11.03 21:47:00 - [9] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: The cloak nerf is barely an issue and they'll still be useable, just you can't be a jackass anymore with how you run around the maps. Not if the Active Scanners are a significant presence. the likelihood of this happening without an accidental return of the scannerinas is pretty low. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.