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Jacques Cayton II Cold Winds Uakan 998	Posted - 2014.11.03 06:29:00 - [1] - Quote I just looked and why does it do more damage than a rail rifle? With alot less recoil. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1812	Posted - 2014.11.03 06:33:00 - [2] - Quote Range Delt for CPM2 CPM1 MISSION : FAILED Moss-delt on skype
Son-Of A-Gun Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1403	Posted - 2014.11.03 06:36:00 - [3] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Range /thread {:)}{3GÇó>
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.11.03 06:38:00 - [4] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Range Effective range to be precise. 78 meters is **** poor compared to 102. Points to Delt for beating me to the punch. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Salvation...through Annihilation
JIMvc2 The Wanga Empire Strikes Back 352	Posted - 2014.11.03 06:52:00 - [5] - Quote Simple Gallente >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caldari MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1956	Posted - 2014.11.03 07:51:00 - [6] - Quote Hop on, the FoTM train has plenty of room! Toot! Toot!
LT Shanx OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 123	Posted - 2014.11.03 10:02:00 - [7] - Quote I dare you guys to bring a Breach AR to Manus Peak Domination. Let me know how you do.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1545	Posted - 2014.11.03 10:33:00 - [8] - Quote my bet is AR will be king of "caldari production facility" [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 440	Posted - 2014.11.03 10:38:00 - [9] - Quote ar has worst range of all rifles. makes sense to have the most damage. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12937	Posted - 2014.11.03 10:41:00 - [10] - Quote Savage Mangler wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Range Effective range to be precise. 78 meters is **** poor compared to 102. Points to Delt for beating me to the punch. 74m Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++

Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.11.03 11:26:00 - [11] - Quote It did receive a 14% damage buff when it was already a good weapon. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569 It can out DPS a rail rifle outside of it's optimal range. But the breach AR has always been easy to handle and easy to apply most of it's DPS which is why it was good before the buff. It seems like rattati buffed it based on its low usage, probably because RR & CR were better choices at the time.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1428	Posted - 2014.11.03 11:40:00 - [12] - Quote It's OP as hell... yes it lacks some range, but we fight for objectives that are mostly CQC so that's hardly the greatest downside that it can't shoot 100m, it doesn't need to because inside of range it's a beast We've seen the RR's solution to too much DMG, why should the Breach AR be left in this state??? Hopefully we are not waiting a long time for a fix, but the BAR is in need of some changes DMG D1CTATOR Official Scrub : hate(fan)mail coordinator. Give a merc lemons and they'l squeeze the juice in your eyes
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1214	Posted - 2014.11.03 12:20:00 - [13] - Quote Range. AR should do the most damage in CQC out of the racial rifles imo. Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Gk0 Scout yay :)
Nirwanda Vaughns 883	Posted - 2014.11.03 13:39:00 - [14] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: I just looked and why does it do more damage than a rail rifle? With alot less recoil. because its supposed to. gallente are short range high damage, the breach should perhaps have range brought down by about 10m to balance it a bit more but a militia rail rifle will still out range a creo breach by 20-30m. the thing has been underpowered pretty much since the games birth so cut it and those of us who have been using it a bit of slack, boo-hoo summat does more damage than the godly rail rifle huh? ffs a bolt pistol will still outrange it. i ran my quafe assault with a GB-9 breach and 194 shield and bout 590 armour and a bolt pistol still 2 shotted me from 50m away Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
Jack McReady Dust University Ivy League 1559	Posted - 2014.11.03 14:04:00 - [15] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: the thing has been underpowered pretty much since the games birth actually it was the best rifle and everyone used it, but that was long time ago
Mejt0 Puff n Puffers 475	Posted - 2014.11.03 14:41:00 - [16] - Quote Brach have same dmg as normal AR. And RR still destroys at long distances (especialy on Calmando and calassault) But yeah. Ar is cool now. Not as OP as before and not as bad after nerf cycles. Also. Caldari tech > gallente tech. PS. Caldari have everything now i think. All kinds of guns,suits,vehicles. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp . 1348	Posted - 2014.11.03 14:58:00 - [17] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: PS. Caldari have everything now i think. All kinds of guns,suits,vehicles. And is still worthless if your not using a scout or commando . They may have " everything " but they dam sure need it because for the most part .. Caldari suck and are ineffective . They can't even win at FW unless they all got together and q-sync every match and then you don't see all Caldari , you see mostly Gal players helping . Thank you Rattati , the DEV crew and the CPM for getting the job of 1.9 done .
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1620	Posted - 2014.11.03 16:26:00 - [18] - Quote LT Shanx wrote: I dare you guys to bring a Breach AR to Manus Peak Domination. Let me know how you do. I do quite well on a dom MP with the BAR. In fact it's my go to weapon on MP and works quite well if you're the uphill team; not as good if you're on the downhill team but if you can get up on the objective you can use it and the little hills by it as cover to hold it. Unless the enemy swarm you, then you might have trouble holding it depending on how good the enemy is. Of course map configuration and team "balance" will impact performance. We don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1309	Posted - 2014.11.03 16:29:00 - [19] - Quote omg the breach has been thru hell and back already can we please leave it alone.. there's better things to witch hunt for AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Jathniel G I A N T 1212	Posted - 2014.11.03 16:39:00 - [20] - Quote Gallente weapons are supposed to out-dps you upclose... Come on, OP. This is why I proudly use the TacAR. Loads of dps in short brief volleys. You can do a lot with that 18 round clip, provided you don't miss or get overwhelmed, and you get half decent range. So if you're using a Gallente AR, especially a BAR, up close, congratulations, you're doing it right. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.

Jacques Cayton II Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 997	Posted - 2014.11.03 16:43:00 - [21] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Gallente weapons are supposed to out-dps you upclose... Come on, OP. This is why I proudly use the TacAR. Loads of dps in short brief volleys. You can do a lot with that 18 round clip, provided you don't miss or get overwhelmed, and you get half decent range. Protip: Assault Rifles ALWAYS return to the original aiming point when you stop firing. Even the TAR, no matter how much recoil, or how much fire. I tested it earlier the ar has no recoil it is a joke give it more kick and I'd be fine. Same with the cr. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Son-Of A-Gun Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1409	Posted - 2014.11.03 17:09:00 - [22] - Quote Ahhhh! The AR can actually kill something now. And my RR got nerfed in CQC. I'm made that the RR was nerfed! I didn't have any problem at all with the breach AR until my RR got nerfed. Now the AR must die. Nerf it to uselessness again. Whanh! = what this thread boils down to. {:)}{3GÇó>
Nirwanda Vaughns 886	Posted - 2014.11.03 17:26:00 - [23] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ahhhh! The AR can actually kill something now. And my RR got nerfed in CQC. I'm made that the RR was nerfed! I didn't have any problem at all with the breach AR until my RR got nerfed. Now the AR must die. Nerf it to uselessness again. Whanh! = what this thread boils down to. i chuckle too. best thing is, everyone moans about the RR nerf.. if only CCP put in an alternate RR that was designed for CQC better than the RR, it could have a tighter hip fire than the basic one, perhaps lower the damage but increase the rof, hell in CQC they could even take the scope off it too and just have iron sights... i just wonder what they could call it? Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience proud C-II bpo owner
CommanderBolt KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 2267	Posted - 2014.11.03 17:34:00 - [24] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ahhhh! The AR can actually kill something now. And my RR got nerfed in CQC. I'm made that the RR was nerfed! I didn't have any problem at all with the breach AR until my RR got nerfed. Now the AR must die. Nerf it to uselessness again. Whanh! = what this thread boils down to. i chuckle too. best thing is, everyone moans about the RR nerf.. if only CCP put in an alternate RR that was designed for CQC better than the RR, it could have a tighter hip fire than the basic one, perhaps lower the damage but increase the rof, hell in CQC they could even take the scope off it too and just have iron sights... i just wonder what they could call it? Derp derpy assault derpin "Also I think knives are a good idea, big f**k-off shiny ones" "Guns for show, Knives for a pro" MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8221	Posted - 2014.11.03 17:36:00 - [25] - Quote This is a display of the pitifulness of the Caldari. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Boot Booter Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1018	Posted - 2014.11.03 17:46:00 - [26] - Quote Well to be fair the BAR > AR. Same dps but higher alpha, damage per clip, and more easily applied due to less dispersion. Don't know if I'd say it's OP though. It seems pretty balanced as far as I can tell. My only issue is, it should have more range and less dps than the regular AR... Breach was supposed to be the Caldari tech variant for rifles.
Jacques Cayton II Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 997	Posted - 2014.11.03 17:51:00 - [27] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ahhhh! The AR can actually kill something now. And my RR got nerfed in CQC. I'm made that the RR was nerfed! I didn't have any problem at all with the breach AR until my RR got nerfed. Now the AR must die. Nerf it to uselessness again. Whanh! = what this thread boils down to. I use hmgs <_< was making fits when i noticed then tried it out just got back into dust bdog We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Jacques Cayton II Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 997	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:07:00 - [28] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: This is a display of the pitifulness of the Caldari. Im fine with the changes just the breach ar has to low of a kick for a "long range" weapon We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
CharacterNameWasTaken G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 181	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:11:00 - [29] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: my bet is AR will be king of "caldari production facility" nope itll be sg just like on gal lag production facility.
Riruodo Templar Investigative Commission 389	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:12:00 - [30] - Quote so the BAR is or isn't OP? I loved that gun because I thought I found my niche weapon but it could have been that I didn't notice how good it was because few people used it. But lately I've been seeing a lot more people use the BAR and I'm beginning to wonder if it's not so much I found "my" weapon, but I'm using a crutch (like back when RR was awesome). Is there a graph (I know CCP loves graph) that shows a list of the most underperforming/ bought guns in the market place? Maybe I'll start trying those out to find my new gun. Utena Tenjou is my prince in shining armor.

Son-Of A-Gun Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1412	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:14:00 - [31] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: This is a display of the pitifulness of the Caldari. Im fine with the changes just the breach ar has to low of a kick for a "long range" weapon Breach AR is not a long range weapon. AT BEST it is medium range. {:)}{3GÇó>
CharacterNameWasTaken G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 181	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:16:00 - [32] - Quote Riruodo wrote: so the BAR is or isn't OP? I loved that gun because I thought I found my niche weapon but it could have been that I didn't notice how good it was because few people used it. But lately I've been seeing a lot more people use the BAR and I'm beginning to wonder if it's not so much I found "my" weapon, but I'm using a crutch (like back when RR was awesome). Is there a graph (I know CCP loves graph) that shows a list of the most underperforming/ bought guns in the market place? Maybe I'll start trying those out to find my new gun. i want a link if you do find that graph.
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 144	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:18:00 - [33] - Quote Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: It did receive a 14% damage buff when it was already a good weapon. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569 It can out DPS a rail rifle outside of it's optimal range. But the breach AR has always been easy to handle and easy to apply most of it's DPS which is why it was good before the buff. It seems like rattati buffed it based on its low usage, probably because RR & CR were better choices at the time. Thats why almost no one used it, because it was a good weapon. Right?
Son-Of A-Gun Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1412	Posted - 2014.11.03 18:36:00 - [34] - Quote CharacterNameWasTaken wrote: Riruodo wrote: so the BAR is or isn't OP? I loved that gun because I thought I found my niche weapon but it could have been that I didn't notice how good it was because few people used it. But lately I've been seeing a lot more people use the BAR and I'm beginning to wonder if it's not so much I found "my" weapon, but I'm using a crutch (like back when RR was awesome). Is there a graph (I know CCP loves graph) that shows a list of the most underperforming/ bought guns in the market place? Maybe I'll start trying those out to find my new gun. i want a link if you do find that graph. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=178946 First chart. The closer the te straight white line a weapon is the more balanced it is. Here you can see the "BRAR" and its dark blue line leveling off just barely above the straight white line. This chart was made just before the recent RR nerf. {:)}{3GÇó>
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 59	Posted - 2014.11.03 19:53:00 - [35] - Quote Vesta Opalus wrote: Mexxx Dust-Slayer wrote: It did receive a 14% damage buff when it was already a good weapon. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174569 It can out DPS a rail rifle outside of it's optimal range. But the breach AR has always been easy to handle and easy to apply most of it's DPS which is why it was good before the buff. It seems like rattati buffed it based on its low usage, probably because RR & CR were better choices at the time. Thats why almost no one used it, because it was a good weapon. Right? I'm just saying Kubo was right, and yes it was a good weapon but there were better choices at the time. It is extremely easy to apply its full dps potential compare to other rifles.
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 458	Posted - 2014.11.04 05:15:00 - [36] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ahhhh! The AR can actually kill something now. And my RR got nerfed in CQC. I'm mad that the RR was nerfed! I didn't have any problem at all with the breach AR until my RR got nerfed. Now the AR must die. Nerf it to uselessness again. Whanh! = what this thread boils down to. PREACH IT BROTHER MAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AKA - StarVenger
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 159	Posted - 2014.11.04 06:59:00 - [37] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: I just looked and why does it do more damage than a rail rifle? With alot less recoil. Because someone doesn't know how to make balanced weapons. On small vacation surfing on Caldari Tanks.


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