DUST Search - CCP Rattati, possible issue with triple stacking FW booster

Pokey Dravon wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Breakin Stuff wrote:

maybe a more constructive thing to push on would be to make DUST FW less of a schizoid human random number generator and allow EVE pilots to direct mercs at needed support hotspots.

Just a thought.

That would have a more positive effect than any ranting about a 15% ISK agent.

Give EVE players the ability to spend their LP to forcefully start a battle at a specific location Blink

They shouldn't have to do that.

This sort of functionality needs to be in the hands of Dust players.

We need to be able to set up our own battles, during our time zones, where we choose....other wise we'd be limited by an artificial mechanics that is our of our control.....more over unfortunately unless you had and EVE player aligned to your corp/ whatever you'd never experience the full FW experience as X corp would specifically form a contract for Y Dust group and no one else.

Fair enough, though if I as a Dust player was going to put out LP in the attempt to trigger a battle, I wouldn't want it to be populated with randoms who could screw it up and make me lose out on my investment. Currently if you're highly leveled in EVE FacWar you get A LOT of LP for dropping an Orbital, so its more feasible to spend LP with the intent of making more. For Dust however our margins are much smaller....so we would need some other means to launch attacks.


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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14081	Posted - 2014.11.03 09:03:00 - [1] - Quote Fantastic if I can't earn my FW content and prove I'm a loyalist then **** it I'm just going to buy it. - Mantra of post 1.9 FW kiddies GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14081	Posted - 2014.11.03 10:33:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: The only way to have team deploy is to have an either or system Create 16 man squad (can only exist in FW) Join FW queue, q-sync if you want to try and fight another specific 16 man team If no other 16 man squad is queuing, then wait forever Is that something someone is interested in? Not in the slightest if it means organised players are forced to wait outside the Ques for another organised team that would be taking away another means of player organisation to affect what little we actually can from us. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14103	Posted - 2014.11.03 23:30:00 - [3] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Well yeah Aeon, the lack of a complete LP store is extremely problematic. I know its a big workload, but especially with 1.9, we need it more than ever. I would quote EVE (And forgive me if I"m totally off base here) but I seem to recall that doing Incursions earned you CONCORD LP, which can be then used to 'purchase' LP from any faction you want. So in this case you would sell your LP items for CONCORD (or whatever neutral party) LP which could then be use to 'purchase' from the faction of your choice. EDIT: Quote: EDIT: By the way did you know PC territories gives POS bonuses in Molden Heath? Just in case you weren't aware, I know a lot of Eve Players don't bother to take advantage of that what with Low Sec being in a perpetual bad state. True, but I think only one planet in Skarkon has a moon that is even worth anything in the entire region, and the owners aren't even using the proper SI to take advantage of it Q_Q Hell would you really want to live next to those pirates from Calamitous Intent? GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14105	Posted - 2014.11.03 23:50:00 - [4] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: maybe a more constructive thing to push on would be to make DUST FW less of a schizoid human random number generator and allow EVE pilots to direct mercs at needed support hotspots. Just a thought. That would have a more positive effect than any ranting about a 15% ISK agent. Actually being able to align with the Alliances Primary Plexing Targets and respond to enemy plexers by bumping up the VP they need to take a system? Why sir I might just have a bubbly fit! GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14105	Posted - 2014.11.03 23:54:00 - [5] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: maybe a more constructive thing to push on would be to make DUST FW less of a schizoid human random number generator and allow EVE pilots to direct mercs at needed support hotspots. Just a thought. That would have a more positive effect than any ranting about a 15% ISK agent. Give EVE players the ability to spend their LP to forcefully start a battle at a specific location They shouldn't have to do that. This sort of functionality needs to be in the hands of Dust players. We need to be able to set up our own battles, during our time zones, where we choose....other wise we'd be limited by an artificial mechanics that is our of our control.....more over unfortunately unless you had and EVE player aligned to your corp/ whatever you'd never experience the full FW experience as X corp would specifically form a contract for Y Dust group and no one else. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14106	Posted - 2014.11.04 00:23:00 - [6] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: True Adamance wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: maybe a more constructive thing to push on would be to make DUST FW less of a schizoid human random number generator and allow EVE pilots to direct mercs at needed support hotspots. Just a thought. That would have a more positive effect than any ranting about a 15% ISK agent. Give EVE players the ability to spend their LP to forcefully start a battle at a specific location They shouldn't have to do that. This sort of functionality needs to be in the hands of Dust players. We need to be able to set up our own battles, during our time zones, where we choose....other wise we'd be limited by an artificial mechanics that is our of our control.....more over unfortunately unless you had and EVE player aligned to your corp/ whatever you'd never experience the full FW experience as X corp would specifically form a contract for Y Dust group and no one else. Fair enough, though if I as a Dust player was going to put out LP in the attempt to trigger a battle, I wouldn't want it to be populated with randoms who could screw it up and make me lose out on my investment. Currently if you're highly leveled in EVE FacWar you get A LOT of LP for dropping an Orbital, so its more feasible to spend LP with the intent of making more. For Dust however our margins are much smaller....so we would need some other means to launch attacks. Why are we not able to simply initiate attacks on districts when and where we choose? Or respond to the attacks of our counter part militia's? As I see it why not allow players to either launch an attack on a specified district at which point generates a contract for a set amount of time 5-10 Mins that can be accepted by another team before being autofilled by match making. Meaning if players want to launch specific and targeted strikes they must do so at intervals and risk another organised team competing against them, other wise they are either match made against X randoms or deployed with no opposition (much like how plexes can be flipped with no enemy even bothering to defend them). Other wise players can que up to battles assigned to them by the AI/ Faction GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14106	Posted - 2014.11.04 00:50:00 - [7] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: My concern is that if attacks can be freely launched with zero cost, people will only attack. So if everyone is waiting for someone to accept their attack order, no one is in random matchmaking, so who fills the empty slots when that 5-10 minute waiting period happens? That's and issue I considered which is why I suggested the delay. Few non dedicated players are going to purposefully wait 10 minutes to attack a specific district, which is why any other form of Q-ing would result in players filling up those defensive contracts. Moreover as stated Defensive Contracts could be specifically waited for and chosen by organised groups to prevent loss of SOV in specific systems. However that's an imperfect model, something better could surely be iterated upon. Basically what I'm suggesting is to put more freedom and choice in the hands of players who want to be able to get seriously involved with FW, while keeping it simple for those who don't. Farmers can come and go, picking up contracts in bulk letting them get their SP which dedicated militia groups can be targeting specific systems for offence or defence. Only issue is with the incredibly transient and pointless nature of what we do in Dust 514 these mechanics are solely based on players taking the time to actually care. Owning a region in Dust is owning a smattering of random districts in random systems at a given time during the day...... it's not like we can actually flip systems/ planets for any meaningful length of time. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko