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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:52:00 -
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Quasar Storm wrote:True Adamance wrote:
You make a very valid point.
I've been doing a little brain storming myself for a proposal about introducing Racial Marauder and Enforcer Tanks and aiming on each on of these HAV from roughly around the 10000 EHP, all modules activated in rapid succession. Current low tier AV and HAV would honestly have no capacity to deal with them directly though.
Admittedly no one is going to blow all four main tanking modules within 1-2 second period of time.....but I have to consider this before I submit it.
That sounds reasonable, But I do want AV to have the chance at taking a Marauder down. Back then, That just never happened.
*ahem*
Hi, I was an AVID sagaris farmer with forge guns.
That being said I agree with the OP's assessment. The re-introduction of Enforcer and Marauders without a SEVERE rethink on how they operate would result in nothing but tanks being UTTERLY unstoppable.
AV wouldn't be able to make a dent. Large turrets no longer have the power to break them.
Plus enforcers never lived up to the high-Damage, low-HP setup that they were supposed to. Most enforcers were as hard, or harder to kill than a surya or sagaris. they wound up being marauder 2.0 only more effective.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:58:00 -
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Quasar Storm wrote:CharacterNameWasTaken wrote:i heard there were also more turrets back then too. Is that true? Don't know, But 1.9 marks a revival in Dust. We pilots just can't give in. My mistake was always being quiet.
Driver mistakes wasn't being silent.
It was being silent while the most idiotic amongst you refused to SHUT THE HELL UP.
It's kinda resulted in negative backlash against vehicles in all cases and from all non-vehicle players.
If more reasonable and logical pilots and drivers would speak up, we might be able to roll back some of the more onerous and lame nerfs to vehicles.
Which might in turn provide me more fun per hour murdering you and your toys. 
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.03 22:15:00 -
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Quasar Storm wrote:
Actually it wasn't until a few months ago that I realized how many players cry over things.
Read the Destiny forum some time. Those people take "whiny b*tch" to an entirely new and exciting level.
But as far as things go I think AV and V should be reverted to Chromosome.
Yes this means I think LAVS that are FREE and UNTANKED should be suicide sleds.
But the only place where marauders were well-balanced was chrome. They were hard, but they could be killed, especially if you were like me, and neurotic enough to figure out how to torch them.
However...
Due to the fact that militia tanks would basically be dogchow in the face of proto AV were vehicles and the toys that kill them to revert to chrome, I think Sica and Soma BPOs, as well as militia module BPOs for vehicles should be a thing, along with militia dropships and militia jeeps.
Vehicles and Av need a sharp shakeup, and there's enough players with AV and the SP changes will make it possible to skill AV RAPIDLY. Some survivability/killing improvements may be in order.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.03 22:21:00 -
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You're just never gonna get me to agree that vehicles shouldn't be soloable by AV.
One player must ALWAYS be counterable by one player.
Doesn't have to be EASY though. Just has to be doable with a reasonable application of skill, tactics and positioning.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.03 22:35:00 -
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I love Jihad Jeeps.
Of course I only pop them out when I know the tankers on the other team will make rageposts about them.
Enemy team rosters are AWESOME!!!
But the problem is that currently ALL vehicles are balanced vs. proto AV
STD/MLT AV won't kill MLT tanks. ADV won't kill ADS or even STD dropships (after the HP buff).
It's all assumed to be under constant PRO fire, and has been since what, 1.4? Earlier?
AV/V balance got shoved in a toilet the instant they decided to balance vehicles at ALL tiers against ONE tier of AV.
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Posted - 2014.11.03 22:41:00 -
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Quasar Storm wrote:
I can agree. We will just have to keep giving CCP feedback. I got the feeling like they'll just dump the tanks back in & expect everything to be cool.
I think Rattati's actually smarter than that.
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:41:00 -
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Lupus Wolf wrote:If the higher level tanks were brought back, that would require re-balancing... INCLUDING AV.
This is actually one of the core points of the discussion. In fact I would say it is THE core point.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.11.04 09:00:00 -
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I keep saying that large turrets should be cannons and not big machineguns/oversized bolt pistols.
But people are SO ENTRENCHED in current meta that suggesting a role or method change is anathema regardless of how much sense it makes.
Example: my assertion that sentinels should not be CQC dominant. They should be ranged fire support dominance.
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