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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.02 19:50:00 -
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Solution is simple: Bring back dumbfire swarms.
Problem solved amiright?
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Slave of MORTE
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2014.11.02 19:52:00 -
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Go ahead do it
I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU
Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
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CoochMaster Flex
Contract Hunters
27
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Posted - 2014.11.02 19:53:00 -
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Or maybe a dumbfire variant. But then it has a down side to it.
CONHU still lives on.
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doc lowroar
THE 300 SPARTANS
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Posted - 2014.11.02 20:11:00 -
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What's dumb fire mean? Can I fire at heavies then , if so awesome! I vote bring em on.
"Wherever you go, there you are" -BB
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13400
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Posted - 2014.11.02 20:19:00 -
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The 1st Matari Commando
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
5304
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Posted - 2014.11.02 20:24:00 -
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No splash damage on a dumbfire variant?
I would be cool with that.
1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7234
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Posted - 2014.11.02 20:26:00 -
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So many people are actually considering this.
I know a few people who have PTSD from those things 
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CoochMaster Flex
Contract Hunters
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Posted - 2014.11.02 20:31:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:So many people are actually considering this. I know a few people who have PTSD from those things
It's understa why people will be against it too. Cuz their will always be that one ass wipe running around like its a plasma cannon
CONHU still lives on.
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
882
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Posted - 2014.11.02 20:33:00 -
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It only has 5 splash damage, it'll be fine 
Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
12921
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Posted - 2014.11.02 20:45:00 -
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Would be worse than the Plasma Cannon.
Fairly slow projectiles that have acceleration?
Ain't nobody got time fo dat.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4215
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:05:00 -
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CoochMaster Flex wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:So many people are actually considering this. I know a few people who have PTSD from those things It's understa why people will be against it too. Cuz their will always be that one ass wipe running around like its a plasma cannon
Except it has three shots, with a slightly faster reload speed.
It would be better than the Plasma Cannon as Anti-Infantry. |
Syeven Reed
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
902
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:08:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Swarms are no skill weapons right?
Right, the skill lay's with surviving whilst using one.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5772
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:11:00 -
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This has General John Rippers Taco seal of approval.
Put your flags up in the sky.
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MrShooter01
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
967
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:11:00 -
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How to fix the assault swarm launcher:
Dumbfire only, effectively increased dps from no lock time |
Lupus Wolf
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:14:00 -
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Didn't they add lock-on in the first place because people were using them against infantry?
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5772
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:16:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Would be worse than the Plasma Cannon.
Fairly slow projectiles that have acceleration?
Ain't nobody got time fo dat.
Make it rapid fire 
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Nirwanda Vaughns
881
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:19:00 -
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oh yeah cos y'know when you're locking onto that tank or dropship to blow it up you don't have them or infantry shooting back at you. and as nice as dumb fire coming back would be vs tanks ect we'd just go back to heavies with swarms nuking the f**k out of reddots again.
Never argue with an idiot. they bring you down to their level and beat you through experience
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MrShooter01
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
967
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:25:00 -
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Lupus Wolf wrote:Didn't they add lock-on in the first place because people were using them against infantry?
It also had pretty high splash radius and damage though, 3-ish meters with 330 damage per missile
Now their splash damage is a joke (19 hp, 1m) that might as well be removed completely for the sake of making the info page easier to read, like the railguns
Killing infantry with dumbfire swarms now would probably be not much different than getting killed by a plasma cannon or forge gun |
Mobius Wyvern
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
5369
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:33:00 -
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Why not have one that doesn't fire them all at once?
It'd be like a rocket pod on a helicopter and fire a stream of high-speed rockets. Since they were dumbfire you could make it 8 in a magazine so that if you have the skill to lead your targets you can do a shitload of damage if you hit with all 8.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7240
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:58:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:oh yeah cos y'know when you're locking onto that tank or dropship to blow it up you don't have them or infantry shooting back at you. and as nice as dumb fire coming back would be vs tanks ect we'd just go back to heavies with swarms nuking the f**k out of reddots again.
That's the joke
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manboar thunder fist
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
197
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Posted - 2014.11.02 22:31:00 -
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Personally I think;
Locked variant: 4*250 dmg missiles at proto. 3 volleys per clip. 400m range.
(Lower skill so lower reward, still pose a dangerous threat to vehicles as 3000 dmg per clip (no armour/shield disparity included) you can fire three volleys in the same time as two proto forge shots so roughly equal damage to ishukone assault forge. But different style and strength of usage. High sustained dps as faster firing than forge and doesn't miss. Penetration weapons so caldari commando gets bonus.
Free fire variant: 4*320 dmg missiles at proto. 2 volleys per clip. 200m range.
2480 damage per clip however faster reload and firing speed results in higher alpha. More skill intensive weapon do makes sense. Can act as a powerful deterrent when coupled with av grenades and remotes for alpha damage strikes at close range. Also can be used against infantry but only 55% to drop suits, meaning clip damage is roughly equal to a combat rifle. Explosive weapons so minmatar commando gets bonus.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
5773
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Posted - 2014.11.02 23:28:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Why not have one that doesn't fire them all at once?
It'd be like a rocket pod on a helicopter and fire a stream of high-speed rockets. Since they were dumbfire you could make it 8 in a magazine so that if you have the skill to lead your targets you can do a shitload of damage if you hit with all 8.
Precisely what I thought.
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
604
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Posted - 2014.11.03 01:15:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Solution is simple: Bring back dumbfire swarms. Problem solved amiright?
Yep.
Boycott Black Thursday!
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
604
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Posted - 2014.11.03 01:18:00 -
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Lupus Wolf wrote:Didn't they add lock-on in the first place because people were using them against infantry?
It could be just like the large missile launcher. You can't easily hit infantry due to spread. Make it have a one shot then long reload and bam!
Boycott Black Thursday!
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Mobius Wyvern
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
5384
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Posted - 2014.11.03 13:15:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Why not have one that doesn't fire them all at once?
It'd be like a rocket pod on a helicopter and fire a stream of high-speed rockets. Since they were dumbfire you could make it 8 in a magazine so that if you have the skill to lead your targets you can do a shitload of damage if you hit with all 8. Precisely what I thought.
As an ADS pilot, that sounds like a fun weapon to try and fight back against. I also just got this great mental image of a few Assault suits in a high position raining down a fusillade of rockets on an enemy tank.
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Mregomies
Beer For Evil Mercs
298
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Posted - 2014.11.03 13:18:00 -
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... QQ ... "Evil merc shoots me with swarms"
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1545
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:36:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Solution is simple: Bring back dumbfire swarms. Problem solved amiright?
no , only an idiot would claim swarms are noskill weapons when you need experance and sp to know how/when to sue them insted of wasting missiles.. but one could say useing a PLC is a noskill weapon especially on a scout , the plc splash and direct damage can kill multiple foes easly
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1545
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:37:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Why not have one that doesn't fire them all at once?
It'd be like a rocket pod on a helicopter and fire a stream of high-speed rockets. Since they were dumbfire you could make it 8 in a magazine so that if you have the skill to lead your targets you can do a shitload of damage if you hit with all 8. Precisely what I thought. As an ADS pilot, that sounds like a fun weapon to try and fight back against. I also just got this great mental image of a few Assault suits in a high position raining down a fusillade of rockets on an enemy tank.
dumb fire swarms == PLC
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Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
4365
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:57:00 -
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Sentinels would be the only people who could survive this.
Basically dumb fire swarms would be a mass driver that fires four shots in a horizontal line in your dirextion of fire.
Minmatar commandos and calassault/calmando take the top slots as FOTM and the only suits that will be viable are shield tanks and sentinels.
Instant flavor of the month meta if you make swarms dumbfire.
Stupid idea is stupid.
Hold the lock is the only change that should be made to swarms. Making them follow a laser is even worse because of fine control.
In half life I was able to make missles slam down on targets behind cover across the map.
If you make them "hold the laser" I will happily demonstrate how to "boomerang" shots between buildings, pull a 180 and hit people behind the buildings. Swarms are insanely maneuverable.
Dumbfire is incredibly stupid. Follow the laser even worse. The only way to adjust them can be holding the lock until impact. But then the damage would have to go up sharply to adjust for a massive loss in rate of fire.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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XSoldierSaintX
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:07:00 -
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*rubs swarm gently* don't worry they wont turn you into to a piece of trash dumbfire weapon. you will always be what you are no matter how much the tryhards hate you. |
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