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Louis Domi Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 711	Posted - 2014.11.02 00:15:00 - [1] - Quote Well just wondering. I know I'm waiting for it, most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it. Give it. At least back before you guys took away my cal's precision, I was at least taking care of alot of them. It's like in the food chain where one animal makes sure another animal's population is kept low(or at least at a comfortable rate) you take away animal #1 and then animal #2 starts re populating like crazy, wielding shotguns and kill everything. Anyway can anyone confirm if there will be a scout Nerf?
sir RAVEN WING Mors Effera 64	Posted - 2014.11.02 00:27:00 - [2] - Quote I would like to see CCP backpedal a bit on the scouts (To when they were not overpowered and overused) Sadly I doubt it will ever happen... CCP seems to love having scouts overpopulate the Dust battlegrounds. Little unrelated, but I'm going to put up a 'thing' Heavies were kept under control by scouts, scouts by assault, assault by heavies, logibros by logibros (Or as others call them Logistics) Creative with guns
Louis Domi Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 711	Posted - 2014.11.02 00:30:00 - [3] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: I would like to see CCP backpedal a bit on the scouts (To when they were not overpowered and overused) Sadly I doubt it will ever happen... CCP seems to love having scouts overpopulate the Dust battlegrounds. Little unrelated, but I'm going to put up a 'thing' Heavies were kept under control by scouts, scouts by assault, assault by heavies, logibros by logibros (Or as others call them Logistics) But now scouts keep everything under lockdown.
sir RAVEN WING Mors Effera 66	Posted - 2014.11.02 00:44:00 - [4] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I would like to see CCP backpedal a bit on the scouts (To when they were not overpowered and overused) Sadly I doubt it will ever happen... CCP seems to love having scouts overpopulate the Dust battlegrounds. Little unrelated, but I'm going to put up a 'thing' Heavies were kept under control by scouts, scouts by assault, assault by heavies, logibros by logibros (Or as others call them Logistics) But now scouts keep everything under lockdown. Right you are, scouts and the all mighty, undefeatable, annoying, spawn camping incubus Creative with guns
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 670	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:36:00 - [5] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Well just wondering. I know I'm waiting for it, most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it. Give it. At least back before you guys took away my cal's precision, I was at least taking care of alot of them. It's like in the food chain where one animal makes sure another animal's population is kept low(or at least at a comfortable rate) you take away animal #1 and then animal #2 starts re populating like crazy, wielding shotguns and kill everything. Anyway can anyone confirm if there will be a scout Nerf? Hmmmm. Upon inspection methinks I smell the stink of hypocrisy. You claim "most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it." But I often hear that "everyone runs scout", that they are "everywhere in matches". If most players run scout, why would most people be waiting for a scout nerf? I don't do bull shiit. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
ImIvan 38	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:39:00 - [6] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Well just wondering. I know I'm waiting for it, most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it. Give it. At least back before you guys took away my cal's precision, I was at least taking care of alot of them. It's like in the food chain where one animal makes sure another animal's population is kept low(or at least at a comfortable rate) you take away animal #1 and then animal #2 starts re populating like crazy, wielding shotguns and kill everything. Anyway can anyone confirm if there will be a scout Nerf? Hmmmm. Upon inspection methinks I smell the stink of hypocrisy. You claim "most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it." But I often hear that "everyone runs scout", that they are "everywhere in matches". If most players run scout, why would most people be waiting for a scout nerf? I don't do bull shiit. I occasionally run scout and I would be fine with a nerf, scout is like easy mode. Why must you use prototypes?
Eruditus 920 Nemo Malus Felix 670	Posted - 2014.11.02 01:41:00 - [7] - Quote ImIvan wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Well just wondering. I know I'm waiting for it, most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it. Give it. At least back before you guys took away my cal's precision, I was at least taking care of alot of them. It's like in the food chain where one animal makes sure another animal's population is kept low(or at least at a comfortable rate) you take away animal #1 and then animal #2 starts re populating like crazy, wielding shotguns and kill everything. Anyway can anyone confirm if there will be a scout Nerf? Hmmmm. Upon inspection methinks I smell the stink of hypocrisy. You claim "most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it." But I often hear that "everyone runs scout", that they are "everywhere in matches". If most players run scout, why would most people be waiting for a scout nerf? I don't do bull shiit. I occasionally run scout and I would be fine with a nerf, scout is like easy mode. And I occasionally hit a nail with a hammer but that doesn't make me a carpenter. "Stay gold, Ponyboy..."
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5281	Posted - 2014.11.02 02:37:00 - [8] - Quote Did you bother to read the dev blog? 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 13384	Posted - 2014.11.02 04:37:00 - [9] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Hmmmm. Upon inspection methinks I smell the stink of hypocrisy. You claim "most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it." But I often hear that "everyone runs scout", that they are "everywhere in matches". If most players run scout, why would most people be waiting for a scout nerf? I don't do bull shiit. Because despite using something people are capable of admitting that it's OP? Not that it would matter, as wanting something and waiting for something are entirely different things. One of the peps in my old corp named Vesta Opolus runs Scouts all the time, yet at the same time swears up and down that the current iteration of Scouts are the one of the most broken suits in the history of DUST. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
DEZKA DIABLO THE FOOTCLAN 742	Posted - 2014.11.02 08:11:00 - [10] - Quote ASSAULT is broken, if a scout is unscanable with no mods equipped then the assault is broken, a level five assault should have the base precision of a scout s base precision then its fitting wars. DONT EVER COMPLAIN, USE CAPS LOCK OR POINT OUT WHAT BROKEN WITH OUR GAME OR WE WILL DEFINITELY BAN YOUR ASS FOR 6 MONTHS

Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 311	Posted - 2014.11.02 09:13:00 - [11] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Did you bother to read the dev blog?
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 153	Posted - 2014.11.02 09:23:00 - [12] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Well just wondering. I know I'm waiting for it, most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it. Give it. At least back before you guys took away my cal's precision, I was at least taking care of alot of them. It's like in the food chain where one animal makes sure another animal's population is kept low(or at least at a comfortable rate) you take away animal #1 and then animal #2 starts re populating like crazy, wielding shotguns and kill everything. Anyway can anyone confirm if there will be a scout Nerf? My sig is all about hotfix **** y- I mean hotfix charlie. Click on it. But yeah no useful scout nerfs will happen, not for a long time. When someone is rude to me I don't say f*ck you, I say HOTFIX CHARLIE YOU TOO
DarthPlagueis TheWise 233	Posted - 2014.11.02 10:01:00 - [13] - Quote the radius nerf when cloaked is already going to be crippling. not sure about the 0.33 second delay in firing after decloak though caldari isnt even going to be able to use range amps anymore. everything that's not dampened is going to be punished by Gal Logis with scans that show up for the whole team Bolas deploys tank in strategic location
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18642	Posted - 2014.11.02 10:57:00 - [14] - Quote The 1.9 changes are being perceived in one of two ways by people. By people who aren't scout supremacists, they're being seen as moderate at best and negligible at worst. By people who are scout supremacists, oh no! The class is dying! They're all going to be permascanned by evil Gallogis (nevermind that barely anyone uses those) and how can they possibly fight if they can't see everything whilst cloaked? It's going to be a disaster! You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Varoth Drac Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 311	Posted - 2014.11.02 11:07:00 - [15] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The 1.9 changes are being perceived in one of two ways by people. By people who aren't scout supremacists, they're being seen as moderate at best and negligible at worst. By people who are scout supremacists, oh no! The class is dying! They're all going to be permascanned by evil Gallogis (nevermind that barely anyone uses those) and how can they possibly fight if they can't see everything whilst cloaked? It's going to be a disaster! Well, personally I see it as a nerf. But not a massive one. Scouts will still be fine but will lose a sizeable element of their power, passive scan whilst cloaked. I think more of a nerf would make them underpowered. I also think this nerf won't affect the tanked up assault scouts (think saxonmish), since they mostly don't even use cloaks. If you think these are OP then you would need a different nerf, probably to tanking ability. However I would be very surprised if you could nerf stealthy scouts more than 1.9 without making them underpowered. We shall see how it goes.
Chrome HD WarRavens Capital Punishment. 38	Posted - 2014.11.02 11:08:00 - [16] - Quote The nerf is just gonna make more scouts use flanking tactics and SG you in the back which your gonna hate even more LOL... oh well ill still be running my scout come then and ill be here when the QQ starts up about scouts again. Just watch your back after 1.9 you'll see. Edit: and besides team scans in 1.9 pfft who needs range amps.
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 423	Posted - 2014.11.02 11:50:00 - [17] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: I would like to see CCP backpedal a bit on the scouts (To when they were not overpowered and overused) Sadly I doubt it will ever happen... CCP seems to love having scouts overpopulate the Dust battlegrounds. Little unrelated, but I'm going to put up a 'thing' Heavies were kept under control by scouts, scouts by assault, assault by heavies, logibros by logibros (Or as others call them Logistics) what are you insane no one controls logis, or **** would never get done. Do not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. being contradictory is not the same as being offensive.
sir RAVEN WING Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate 78	Posted - 2014.11.02 11:58:00 - [18] - Quote X7 lion wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I would like to see CCP backpedal a bit on the scouts (To when they were not overpowered and overused) Sadly I doubt it will ever happen... CCP seems to love having scouts overpopulate the Dust battlegrounds. Little unrelated, but I'm going to put up a 'thing' Heavies were kept under control by scouts, scouts by assault, assault by heavies, logibros by logibros (Or as others call them Logistics) what are you insane no one controls logis, or **** would never get done. Exactly what I said... Try reading that again. Creative with guns
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1955	Posted - 2014.11.02 16:57:00 - [19] - Quote With the way things are now, with 1.9 and the predicted increase in active scanner usage, I suspect all that will happen is scouts will be forced to dampen up, effectively increasing the advantage that the Gal Scout has in that it can run the most HP and evade all scans.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4399	Posted - 2014.11.02 17:31:00 - [20] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Did you bother to read the dev blog? 1.9 devblog just mentioned two minor cloaking nerfs. Nothing is being done about assault-circle strafing scouts. My advice to you, playa...

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7226	Posted - 2014.11.02 17:36:00 - [21] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Well just wondering. I know I'm waiting for it, most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it. Give it. At least back before you guys took away my cal's precision, I was at least taking care of alot of them. It's like in the food chain where one animal makes sure another animal's population is kept low(or at least at a comfortable rate) you take away animal #1 and then animal #2 starts re populating like crazy, wielding shotguns and kill everything. Anyway can anyone confirm if there will be a scout Nerf? Hmmmm. Upon inspection methinks I smell the stink of hypocrisy. You claim "most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it." But I often hear that "everyone runs scout", that they are "everywhere in matches". If most players run scout, why would most people be waiting for a scout nerf? I don't do bull shiit. Most of the scouts who were scouts BEFORE the big buff want it. I've been a min scout since 1.1, back when the suit was a suicide mission. Bring on the nerfs. I've dealt with nerfs. I just want to see some more freaking suit diversity. Get those light assaults back into their proper suits. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 5291	Posted - 2014.11.02 17:57:00 - [22] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Well just wondering. I know I'm waiting for it, most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it. Give it. At least back before you guys took away my cal's precision, I was at least taking care of alot of them. It's like in the food chain where one animal makes sure another animal's population is kept low(or at least at a comfortable rate) you take away animal #1 and then animal #2 starts re populating like crazy, wielding shotguns and kill everything. Anyway can anyone confirm if there will be a scout Nerf? Hmmmm. Upon inspection methinks I smell the stink of hypocrisy. You claim "most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it." But I often hear that "everyone runs scout", that they are "everywhere in matches". If most players run scout, why would most people be waiting for a scout nerf? I don't do bull shiit. Most of the scouts who were scouts BEFORE the big buff want it. I've been a min scout since 1.1, back when the suit was a suicide mission. Bring on the nerfs. I've dealt with nerfs. I just want to see some more freaking suit diversity. Get those light assaults back into their proper suits. I agree with the general sentiment. Scout spam annoys me too. But as ripley said, strafing is still an issue, among other things. Aside from the delay after cloak, I dislike how some real problems are still going to be persistent (ie strafing and tanking, and in my opinion passive scans sharing), yet other non problems have been indirectly but effectively nerfed (cloaked hacking, cloaked uplink hunting). 1.9 Where cloaked scouts give way to tanked scouts. Problem solved?
Louis Domi Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 729	Posted - 2014.11.02 18:46:00 - [23] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Well just wondering. I know I'm waiting for it, most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it. Give it. At least back before you guys took away my cal's precision, I was at least taking care of alot of them. It's like in the food chain where one animal makes sure another animal's population is kept low(or at least at a comfortable rate) you take away animal #1 and then animal #2 starts re populating like crazy, wielding shotguns and kill everything. Anyway can anyone confirm if there will be a scout Nerf? Hmmmm. Upon inspection methinks I smell the stink of hypocrisy. You claim "most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it." But I often hear that "everyone runs scout", that they are "everywhere in matches". If most players run scout, why would most people be waiting for a scout nerf? I don't do bull shiit. Most of the scouts who were scouts BEFORE the big buff want it. I've been a min scout since 1.1, back when the suit was a suicide mission. Bring on the nerfs. I've dealt with nerfs. I just want to see some more freaking suit diversity. Get those light assaults back into their proper suits. Sir, you are one of the most respectable scouts I know... You deserve better...
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7230	Posted - 2014.11.02 19:37:00 - [24] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Louis Domi wrote: Well just wondering. I know I'm waiting for it, most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it. Give it. At least back before you guys took away my cal's precision, I was at least taking care of alot of them. It's like in the food chain where one animal makes sure another animal's population is kept low(or at least at a comfortable rate) you take away animal #1 and then animal #2 starts re populating like crazy, wielding shotguns and kill everything. Anyway can anyone confirm if there will be a scout Nerf? Hmmmm. Upon inspection methinks I smell the stink of hypocrisy. You claim "most other people are waiting for it, most of us want it." But I often hear that "everyone runs scout", that they are "everywhere in matches". If most players run scout, why would most people be waiting for a scout nerf? I don't do bull shiit. Most of the scouts who were scouts BEFORE the big buff want it. I've been a min scout since 1.1, back when the suit was a suicide mission. Bring on the nerfs. I've dealt with nerfs. I just want to see some more freaking suit diversity. Get those light assaults back into their proper suits. Sir, you are one of the most respectable scouts I know... You deserve better... Stahp it, you're gonna make me blush Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1258	Posted - 2014.11.02 19:49:00 - [25] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: the radius nerf when cloaked is already going to be crippling. not sure about the 0.33 second delay in firing after decloak though caldari isnt even going to be able to use range amps anymore. everything that's not dampened is going to be punished by Gal Logis with scans that show up for the whole team .33 seconds is a ridiculous delay. Reaction time is .25-.3 seconds so you will literally have no time to react. It should be closer to 3 seconds. Because, that's why.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7240	Posted - 2014.11.02 22:03:00 - [26] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: the radius nerf when cloaked is already going to be crippling. not sure about the 0.33 second delay in firing after decloak though caldari isnt even going to be able to use range amps anymore. everything that's not dampened is going to be punished by Gal Logis with scans that show up for the whole team .33 seconds is a ridiculous delay. Reaction time is .25-.3 seconds so you will literally have no time to react. It should be closer to 3 seconds. I wanted 3 second cloak delay for cloaking and de-cloaking. Combined with cloaks having no shimmer while running, making them excellent insertion and removal tools. On the flip side, trying to decloak in a horde of red dots will get you killed due to the long delay and the fact that I would make it un-cancelable. It would be used for tactical insertion and OH GOD RUN Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Ace Boone 323	Posted - 2014.11.02 22:13:00 - [27] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: I would like to see CCP backpedal a bit on the scouts (To when they were not overpowered and overused) Sadly I doubt it will ever happen... CCP seems to love having scouts overpopulate the Dust battlegrounds. Little unrelated, but I'm going to put up a 'thing' Heavies were kept under control by scouts, scouts by assault, assault by heavies, logibros by logibros (Or as others call them Logistics) More like Logi's slayed everything walking and the HMG was still the most OP thing on the battlegrounds. The scouts were ludicrously underpowered, they needed a buff, badly. Only loyal to the republic.
Sequal Rise Les Desanusseurs 149	Posted - 2014.11.02 22:17:00 - [28] - Quote 2 things make scouts OP: - Broken hit detection - Ewar I dont see any of these two getting nerfed unfortunately. Changing cloak won't change anything. I fear more a real scout player playing without it than a scrub thinking he's hidden behind its invisbru sh*t. Tanked scouts playing assault are just the result of these 2. Assaulting people since way too long..


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