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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
646
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Posted - 2014.11.01 01:49:00 -
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I made a Corp for myself just so I could get out of the one I was in and stop paying taxes to people who aren't even around anymore. In the last 3 months, I think there was someone on my Corp chat twice. This is playing for 2-3 hours 2 or 3 days a week.
I've been paying 5% tax for the last 6 plus months, haven't seen 1 ISK back in my bank account, and don't know who or what it was actually funding. Even at 10,000 ISK every match (I'm lowballing to make the math easy), that is only about 200 matches total for what I just paid for my own corp. I know I've ran WAY more than 200 matches in 6 months. So now going forward every penny is staying with me.
It is just frustrating I couldn't find a corp that I really meshed with (seems everyone wanted Mics for squadding and, when squadded, got upset when I had to bail). With a 3 month old, who knows when I'm going to have to bolt out of a match and I don't want to screw my squadmates, especially my corpmates, so I solo 99% of the time. When I do want to squad, I can jump on Learning Coalition or Dev Hangout. there are always people in both of those places.
Long story leads to a question. What is the wierdest/dumbest/most ridiculous thing you've done with your ISK in this game (besides giving it to Jadek in one of his schemes, that doesn't count. You deserve it.  ) 
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
721
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:00:00 -
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Much the same as you. Joined a certain youtuber's corp, and spent months paying corp tax for absolutely no reason, never squaded with them, and they never did any PC. Strangely this youtuber's wallet is over 1 billion ISK. Funny huh?. Eventually I quit and now I solo or squad up as I like. And keep all my ISK.
Oh and Jadek's Financial services are genuine. He doubled all the ISK I ever sent him.
The slow blade penetrates the shield.
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
647
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:06:00 -
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sabre prime wrote:Much the same as you. Joined a certain youtuber's corp, and spent months paying corp tax for absolutely no reason, never squaded with them, and they never did any PC. Strangely this youtuber's wallet is over 1 billion ISK. Funny huh?. Eventually I quit and now I solo or squad up as I like. And keep all my ISK.
Oh and Jadek's Financial services are genuine. He doubled all the ISK I ever sent him.
That last part was partially in Jest. I've never "taken advantage" of his services but have heard enough stories I couldn't pass it up.
But yeah, I hear you. I joined because my original corp folded and needed somewhere to go. At first it was pretty good and there were people around to squad with. Then, like nothing, it all just dried up.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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Pushing Charlie
Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries
361
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:07:00 -
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******* hate corps like that! Picking on new players.
WHEN WILL THEY LEARN! WHEN DAMMIT!
Knight Soiaire
I BELIEVE!
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
4121
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:08:00 -
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Strangest thing I've done with ISK in this game? Hmm.
How about spending 19 million ISK to immortalize this lyrical masterpiece.
Note: Each line of HTFU is a new corporation here.
Try the new Planetary Conquest Mode!
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Reign Omega
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
977
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:10:00 -
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Why didn't you just leave? You didn't have to create your own unless you wanted to.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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sir RAVEN WING
Mors Effera
40
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:14:00 -
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What's the corp name? I have the same problem (Except I am not going to spent money that I don't have)
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
649
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:14:00 -
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Pushing Charlie wrote:******* hate corps like that! Picking on new players.
WHEN WILL THEY LEARN! WHEN DAMMIT!
It wasn't so much a learning thing with me. It was not wanting to shell out the ISK for it. I've been looking for a corp actively for about 2 months now and finally just said screw it, I'm making my own. I just did it today and it was money well spent, already. It was refreshing knowing that everything I earned was going to me, not someone else.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
649
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:16:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Why didn't you just leave? You didn't have to create your own unless you wanted to.
I went into the corporation section of the menu and couldn't find any options where it said "leave corp". I've never seen anybody in matches I've played that did not have a corp, so I assumed you had to be aligned with one.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
649
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:18:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:What's the corp name? I have the same problem (Except I am not going to spent money that I don't have)
It was Knights of the Round. Honestly, I don't really think it was a swindling or anything like that. Everyone just stopped playing. There hasn't been a post here in the forums on our corp section since July.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
649
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:23:00 -
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Why, oh why, does this not surprise me. You are f***ing hilarious man
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Gentlemen's.Club
5741
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:25:00 -
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Down with taxes, Down with friends!
EVE 21 Day Trial
Selling Templar BPO's
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sir RAVEN WING
Mors Effera
40
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:38:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:What's the corp name? I have the same problem (Except I am not going to spent money that I don't have) It was Knights of the Round. Honestly, I don't really think it was a swindling or anything like that. Everyone just stopped playing. There hasn't been a post here in the forums on our corp section since July. Seriously, if you want to just get out of it, feel free to join my Corp. I set the tax at 10% just so I could build a little savings account (If I don't see it, I can't spend it. You know what I'm saying) but if I know someone else is joining, I'll reset to 0. I will be like Switzerland. A little tax free haven people can go who don't want to pay taxes to people. HAHA
I was with them for a while, I won't be joining just yet...
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
730
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:40:00 -
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I did the same...
Except for one detail. I made the corp a long time ago, back in chromosome, hoping that I would actually accomplish something with it. But nothing happened. Over time, a few months ago, I added a 5% tax to see how much money I could amass in my corp wallet. I actually have no idea how much I have in there right now. Will update when I know.
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
2855
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:45:00 -
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Yup, I created this for the 0% tax as well. Anyone want no tax? Sorry not taking applications...
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
650
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:48:00 -
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It's glad to see I'm not the only one.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
358
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:48:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Why didn't you just leave? You didn't have to create your own unless you wanted to. I went into the corporation section of the menu and couldn't find any options where it said "leave corp". I've never seen anybody in matches I've played that did not have a corp, so I assumed you had to be aligned with one.
It's too late for you, but for anyone else. Simply find your name in the Corp roster, select it & you should get the option to leave Corp. |
sir RAVEN WING
Mors Effera
42
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:51:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Yup, I created this for the 0% tax as well. Anyone want no tax? Sorry not taking applications...
Little spelling error in your corp description, but I find it pretty cool (Did I see a 300 reference?  )
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
2856
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:51:00 -
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DTOracle wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Why didn't you just leave? You didn't have to create your own unless you wanted to. I went into the corporation section of the menu and couldn't find any options where it said "leave corp". I've never seen anybody in matches I've played that did not have a corp, so I assumed you had to be aligned with one. It's too late for you, but for anyone else. Simply find your name in the Corp roster, select it & you should get the option to leave Corp.
Leaving corp puts you in an NPC corp with 11% tax - so better off making your own.
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
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sir RAVEN WING
Mors Effera
42
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:52:00 -
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DTOracle wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Why didn't you just leave? You didn't have to create your own unless you wanted to. I went into the corporation section of the menu and couldn't find any options where it said "leave corp". I've never seen anybody in matches I've played that did not have a corp, so I assumed you had to be aligned with one. It's too late for you, but for anyone else. Simply find your name in the Corp roster, select it & you should get the option to leave Corp.
I salute you for trying to help newbs.
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DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
360
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:54:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:DTOracle wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Why didn't you just leave? You didn't have to create your own unless you wanted to. I went into the corporation section of the menu and couldn't find any options where it said "leave corp". I've never seen anybody in matches I've played that did not have a corp, so I assumed you had to be aligned with one. It's too late for you, but for anyone else. Simply find your name in the Corp roster, select it & you should get the option to leave Corp. Leaving corp puts you in an NPC corp with 11% tax - so better off making your own.
11% NPC Corp tax?!?!
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
651
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:56:00 -
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DTOracle wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:DTOracle wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Why didn't you just leave? You didn't have to create your own unless you wanted to. I went into the corporation section of the menu and couldn't find any options where it said "leave corp". I've never seen anybody in matches I've played that did not have a corp, so I assumed you had to be aligned with one. It's too late for you, but for anyone else. Simply find your name in the Corp roster, select it & you should get the option to leave Corp. Leaving corp puts you in an NPC corp with 11% tax - so better off making your own. 11% NPC Corp tax?!?! I haven't been in a NPC corp since closed beta. So I won't argue with you.
Yeah, it's been a LONG time. I know the new NPC corps when you first start are 0%, but I'm going to take your word for it. Thanks for putting the word out for people.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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sir RAVEN WING
Mors Effera
43
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:00:00 -
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3 apps just went out, now I see who accepts first
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
651
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:04:00 -
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Well I'm at work and won't be on until Monday most likely, so I guess I'm out. best of luck to you. If I get home in time, I may try to sneak on and accept it.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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sir RAVEN WING
Mors Effera
43
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:07:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:Well I'm at work and won't be on until Monday most likely, so I guess I'm out. best of luck to you. If I get home in time, I may try to sneak on and accept it.
I'll be gone as of monday, but yeah
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
2856
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:13:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:3 apps just went out, now I see who accepts first
I'm not taking applications...
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
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sir RAVEN WING
Mors Effera
43
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:19:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:sir RAVEN WING wrote:3 apps just went out, now I see who accepts first I'm not taking applications...
2 left!
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
200
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:21:00 -
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I was in a few corps and wasted some isk, but I like the guys I am with now 0%, always helpful, always people on, always groups going, almost always chat, a mid to low douche bag ratio 8D, and despite it being a "starter guild" there are pretty skilled players.
21 day fast started 10/31 in respect to the discipline of Gahndi. Wizard Talk
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The Master Race
Immortal Guides
200
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:21:00 -
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I was in a few corps and wasted some isk, but I like the guys I am with now 0%, always helpful, always people on, always groups going, almost always chat, a mid to low douche bag ratio 8D, and despite it being a "starter guild" there are pretty skilled players.
21 day fast started 10/31 in respect to the discipline of Gahndi. Wizard Talk
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
651
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:22:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:I was in a few corps and wasted some isk, but I like the guys I am with now 0%, always helpful, always people on, always groups going, almost always chat, a mid to low douche bag ratio 8D, and despite it being a "starter guild" there are pretty skilled players.
Do you guys have a pub chat? Since I just started this Corp today, I'm not interested in joining, but I wouldn't mind jumping into comms and squadding up with people. That is all corps are really good for anyways is finding squads.
On that note, anyone else have a pub chat channel they'd be willing to share so I can join the chat channel at least?
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
2858
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:25:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:I was in a few corps and wasted some isk, but I like the guys I am with now 0%, always helpful, always people on, always groups going, almost always chat, a mid to low douche bag ratio 8D, and despite it being a "starter guild" there are pretty skilled players.
"Guild"
Didn't realize there was a "World of Dust" game out... I should check to see if it's any good... 
I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
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1913 DfLo
ScReWeD uP InC
49
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:28:00 -
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DTOracle wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Why didn't you just leave? You didn't have to create your own unless you wanted to. I went into the corporation section of the menu and couldn't find any options where it said "leave corp". I've never seen anybody in matches I've played that did not have a corp, so I assumed you had to be aligned with one. It's too late for you, but for anyone else. Simply find your name in the Corp roster, select it & you should get the option to leave Corp.
Yep what that guy said. I remember the first Corp I was in was just bad. This guy was trying to tell me how to live my Gallente life. Researched the forums and found an answer. Glad that there was a forum and that I'm a forum guy.
ScReWeD uP InC CEO. Search SUinc and apply. All welcome.
Ex-MOOSE-KNUCKLEz Director
No You Can't Have My ISK
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MrShooter01
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
958
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:32:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:DTOracle wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Why didn't you just leave? You didn't have to create your own unless you wanted to. I went into the corporation section of the menu and couldn't find any options where it said "leave corp". I've never seen anybody in matches I've played that did not have a corp, so I assumed you had to be aligned with one. It's too late for you, but for anyone else. Simply find your name in the Corp roster, select it & you should get the option to leave Corp. Leaving corp puts you in an NPC corp with 11% tax - so better off making your own.
That's only in EVE Online. None of the Dust 514 NPC corporations have tax.
Source:
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DarthMcFizzle
D3ATH C4RD
148
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:40:00 -
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1913 DfLo wrote:DTOracle wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Why didn't you just leave? You didn't have to create your own unless you wanted to. I went into the corporation section of the menu and couldn't find any options where it said "leave corp". I've never seen anybody in matches I've played that did not have a corp, so I assumed you had to be aligned with one. It's too late for you, but for anyone else. Simply find your name in the Corp roster, select it & you should get the option to leave Corp. Yep what that guy said. I remember the first Corp I was in was just bad. This guy was trying to tell me how to live my Gallente life. Researched the forums and found an answer. Glad that there was a forum and that I'm a forum guy. My second corp was way better and respectful. Thanks Dust 514 forums and all you guys of course.
How are things going at ScReWeD uP? Did Moose end up just dissolving?
Dibs on your isk
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
5149
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:56:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Why didn't you just leave? You didn't have to create your own unless you wanted to. I went into the corporation section of the menu and couldn't find any options where it said "leave corp". I've never seen anybody in matches I've played that did not have a corp, so I assumed you had to be aligned with one.
Not a total write off to have your own corp either
I tax myself 1% so I have a nest egg for various purposes when I need it, or find a newbro I likeGǪ whatever reason I have ISK emergency fund.
KRRROOOOOOM
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ
Consolidated Dust
203
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Posted - 2014.11.01 03:56:00 -
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sabre prime wrote:Much the same as you. Joined a certain youtuber's corp, and spent months paying corp tax for absolutely no reason, never squaded with them, and they never did any PC. Strangely this youtuber's wallet is over 1 billion ISK. Funny huh?. Eventually I quit and now I solo or squad up as I like. And keep all my ISK.
Oh and Jadek's Financial services are genuine. He doubled all the ISK I ever sent him.
why would you join a corp if you would never squad with them.?????
Legion
Coming Soon(TM)
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
653
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Posted - 2014.11.01 04:00:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:sabre prime wrote:Much the same as you. Joined a certain youtuber's corp, and spent months paying corp tax for absolutely no reason, never squaded with them, and they never did any PC. Strangely this youtuber's wallet is over 1 billion ISK. Funny huh?. Eventually I quit and now I solo or squad up as I like. And keep all my ISK.
Oh and Jadek's Financial services are genuine. He doubled all the ISK I ever sent him. why would you join a corp if you would never squad with them.?????
Mine was change of circumstance. I used to squad with them, then baby came and I started running solo. Some people just like to have that tag alongside their name. Some maybe plan to squad but just never get around it. Maybe they join a corp and realize it is a bunch of jerkwads. Some corps just don't run squads. I can see multiple reasons why.
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sir RAVEN WING
Mors Effera
45
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Posted - 2014.11.01 04:39:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:sabre prime wrote:Much the same as you. Joined a certain youtuber's corp, and spent months paying corp tax for absolutely no reason, never squaded with them, and they never did any PC. Strangely this youtuber's wallet is over 1 billion ISK. Funny huh?. Eventually I quit and now I solo or squad up as I like. And keep all my ISK.
Oh and Jadek's Financial services are genuine. He doubled all the ISK I ever sent him. why would you join a corp if you would never squad with them.????? Mine was change of circumstance. I used to squad with them, then baby came and I started running solo. Some people just like to have that tag alongside their name. Some maybe plan to squad but just never get around it. Maybe they join a corp and realize it is a bunch of jerkwads. Some corps just don't run squads. I can see multiple reasons why.
Or you are like me and prefer solo FW/Pub
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1913 DfLo
ScReWeD uP InC
52
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Posted - 2014.11.01 05:05:00 -
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DarthMcFizzle wrote:1913 DfLo wrote:DTOracle wrote:Thokk Nightshade wrote:Reign Omega wrote:Why didn't you just leave? You didn't have to create your own unless you wanted to. I went into the corporation section of the menu and couldn't find any options where it said "leave corp". I've never seen anybody in matches I've played that did not have a corp, so I assumed you had to be aligned with one. It's too late for you, but for anyone else. Simply find your name in the Corp roster, select it & you should get the option to leave Corp. Yep what that guy said. I remember the first Corp I was in was just bad. This guy was trying to tell me how to live my Gallente life. Researched the forums and found an answer. Glad that there was a forum and that I'm a forum guy. My second corp was way better and respectful. Thanks Dust 514 forums and all you guys of course. How are things going at ScReWeD uP? Did Moose end up just dissolving?
Hey brother. We're good looking to grow and improve. Just like anything else it's a process and always positive. Yeah MKzC split but First has taken over. Hopefully goes good of course.
ScReWeD uP InC CEO. Search SUinc and apply. All welcome.
Ex-MOOSE-KNUCKLEz Director
No You Can't Have My ISK
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sir RAVEN WING
Mors Effera
45
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Posted - 2014.11.01 05:16:00 -
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So I have several apps out and they are all waiting for the 24h to be over? I feel special... Not just because they are waiting, but because I had a title! :D
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sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
724
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Posted - 2014.11.01 08:57:00 -
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SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:sabre prime wrote:Much the same as you. Joined a certain youtuber's corp, and spent months paying corp tax for absolutely no reason, never squaded with them, and they never did any PC. Strangely this youtuber's wallet is over 1 billion ISK. Funny huh?. Eventually I quit and now I solo or squad up as I like. And keep all my ISK.
Oh and Jadek's Financial services are genuine. He doubled all the ISK I ever sent him. why would you join a corp if you would never squad with them.?????
Noob mistake. I joined with the expectation that it would be a way to squad with other players. But it wasn't really. Nothing personal against anyone in that corp, but just didn't make sense to pay corp tax when the corp management never justified what it would be used for. Like I said, they didn't do PC. Saving for a rainy day? Getdafuqoutahere!
The slow blade penetrates the shield.
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sir RAVEN WING
Mors Effera
55
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Posted - 2014.11.01 09:05:00 -
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Y'know, I forgot I had access to the corp fund (99.9% my ISK) until no, after I gave up access, damn it.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
1518
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Posted - 2014.11.01 09:11:00 -
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i remember corp creation being 1million isk.. but didnt they lower it to 25k isk or something? its been a while since i made my own corp "Biomass Positive" so i dont recall the price
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sir RAVEN WING
Mors Effera
55
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Posted - 2014.11.01 09:17:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:i remember corp creation being 1million isk.. but didnt they lower it to 25k isk or something? its been a while since i made my own corp "Biomass Positive" so i dont recall the price
Neither do I, been awhile since I made those 5 or so corps in which I eventually left to others.
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Thokk Nightshade
Montana Militia
656
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Posted - 2014.11.02 01:02:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:i remember corp creation being 1million isk.. but didnt they lower it to 25k isk or something? its been a while since i made my own corp "Biomass Positive" so i dont recall the price
It was just under 2 million, like 1.9xxxxxxx Million. So I did the easy thing and rounded up. I think once you start the corp, to level up it is lower if you want more people, but the actual startup is still fairly expensive
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sir RAVEN WING
Mors Effera
70
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Posted - 2014.11.02 01:04:00 -
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Thokk Nightshade wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:i remember corp creation being 1million isk.. but didnt they lower it to 25k isk or something? its been a while since i made my own corp "Biomass Positive" so i dont recall the price It was just under 2 million, like 1.9xxxxxxx Million. So I did the easy thing and rounded up. I think once you start the corp, to level up it is lower if you want more people, but the actual startup is still fairly expensive
I wasted sp on those skills, got em all before I realised that I wouldn't need but the first.
It costs exactly 1,599,800 isk
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